At least Prop 8 passed..

chiquimonkey

scw156 wrote:

i suggest you read further into the thread... acting like children isnt part of the system. People, in this case the gays, gay right supporters etc. are acting like children and being crybabies. DO IT THE CORRECT WAY


i'm done commenting about this. I said what i wanted, even explained that im not anti-gay etc. you going on about this is just more baaawwwwwing.

it seems like this (this thread) is turning into a cryfest just for the sake of doing it

so what is the correct way, beyond petitioning and pursuing legal action? is public outcry not an accepted form of protest? it's only acceptable if it doesn't involve being out in public and getting attention?

i don't get the impression you're anti-gay, but i'm confused as to whether you're aware that american citizens have the right to protest?

digster

scw156 wrote:

i suggest you read further into the thread... acting like children isnt part of the system. People, in this case the gays, gay right supporters etc. are acting like children and being crybabies. DO IT THE CORRECT WAY

No, you're right. You backtracked when you got called on it by mammasan. Just wanted to make sure.

decides2dream

FiveB247x wrote:

Please read my post at the top of this page.

be careful now.
for me, mammasan's post #121 is at the 'top of the page' b/c i have my settings at 40 posts per page, and thus we are only on page 4. so we literally are not all on the same page here. don't be going and confusing him anymore than he apparently is about the rights of americans and voting and the like.

chiquimonkey

decides2dream wrote:

you are just CHOCK FULL of worthy quotes today chica!
well said!





ahhhh digster...never question inconsistencies.
it just ruins the fun...

hehe thank you

scw156

chiquimonkey wrote:

so what is the correct way, beyond petitioning and pursuing legal action? is public outcry not an accepted form of protest? it's only acceptable if it doesn't involve being out in public and getting attention?

i don't get the impression you're anti-gay, but i'm confused as to whether you're aware that american citizens have the right to protest?

Listen up here.

My original post was prompted by seeing this thread and also seeing on television how there are "protests" going on in CA and the two other states where Prop 8 and measures like it were passed. (AZ and another state) Too bad it was more 'stand on police cars, throw things, break stuff, scream' than actual protesting. Very few people had signs, i assume probably NO ONE had permits to protest... in fact , the only way you could tell it was a protest and not some other public nuisance problem was the fact some people were yelling about gays and the prompt on the TV said what it was.

So yes, the gays/supporters LOST and are now COMPLAINING AND CRYING about it. It's no longer a protest for change etc when its 90% hooligans and douchebaggery... so yes it is crying. So to that I say STOP COMPLAINING

If you (they) were serious about their cause and getting it the way they wanted it they would do it the correct way. All that they are doing now is get put in jail, get fined, and make even MORE people think they are nuts and just solidifies their beliefs that voting Prop 8 was a good decision.


I dont care who got wronged,blah blah blah... you do it the way they are doing it right now I'm going to waltz in, call everyone douchebags and tell then to stop their fucking complaining...


have a good day/night... im out

polaris

i think what is hard for people to take is that their fellow citizens are intolerant ... as saddened as i am about the result of this vote ... it reflects a significant portion of the population ...

mammasan

scw156 wrote:

Listen up here.

My original post was prompted by seeing this thread and also seeing on television how there are "protests" going on in CA and the two other states where Prop 8 and measures like it were passed. (AZ and another state) Too bad it was more 'stand on police cars, throw things, break stuff, scream' than actual protesting. Very few people had signs, i assume probably NO ONE had permits to protest... in fact , the only way you could tell it was a protest and not some other public nuisance problem was the fact some people were yelling about gays and the prompt on the TV said what it was.

So yes, the gays/supporters LOST and are now COMPLAINING AND CRYING about it. It's no longer a protest for change etc when its 90% hooligans and douchebaggery... so yes it is crying. So to that I say STOP COMPLAINING

If you (they) were serious about their cause and getting it the way they wanted it they would do it the correct way. All that they are doing now is get put in jail, get fined, and make even MORE people think they are nuts and just solidifies their beliefs that voting Prop 8 was a good decision.


I dont care who got wronged,blah blah blah... you do it the way they are doing it right now I'm going to waltz in, call everyone douchebags and tell then to stop their fucking complaining...


have a good day/night... im out

That is a small fraction of the gay community and it's supporters engaging in destruction of property. For the most part there has been civil demonstrations and they are going about it the right way, they went to court. You are taking the actions of a few assholes and basically dismissing the entire cause. And of course you don't care who got wronged because it wasn't you. Of course you don't fucking care because it's not you that is being discriminated against. I hope to God you never have to go through that because then i'll have to tell you to shut the fuck up and stop your bitching.

Strangest Tribe

Churches need to be taxed since they are playing an everexpanding role in governing.

decides2dream

polaris wrote:

i think what is hard for people to take is that their fellow citizens are intolerant ... as saddened as i am about the result of this vote ... it reflects a significant portion of the population ...

paraphrasing:


while i abhor what you have to say, i will defend to my death your right to say it. ~ voltaire



exactly.
intolerance sucks.

polaris

decides2dream wrote:

paraphrasing:


while i abhor what you have to say, i will defend to my death your right to say it. ~ voltaire



exactly.
intolerance sucks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKn5LNhNto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gE5oOuf_8A

just a quick search on ads - i mean really, who's to blame if these ads actually get bought up by people?

cincybearcat

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Yes: thankfully the religious right are still exerting their intolerance. The last 8 years weren't for nought after all. :rolleyes:

Whiel I hate the idea of not allowing gay marriage...it's hardly only the religious right that is against it. You'd think having Obama win California and gay Marriage voted down would show people that.

Rhinocerous Surprise

cincybearcat wrote:

Whiel I hate the idea of not allowing gay marriage...it's hardly only the religious right that is against it. You'd think having Obama win California and gay Marriage voted down would show people that.

I know - I'm guilty of oversimplifying to make a point.

But hey - the OP went ahead and proved me at least partially right in the end.

mammasan

cincybearcat wrote:

Whiel I hate the idea of not allowing gay marriage...it's hardly only the religious right that is against it. You'd think having Obama win California and gay Marriage voted down would show people that.

Some polls show that it was actually the large African American turnout that helped pass Prop 8. It's been pretty well documented that homophobia is a bit of a problem in the African American community.

meistereder

cincybearcat wrote:

Whiel I hate the idea of not allowing gay marriage...it's hardly only the religious right that is against it. You'd think having Obama win California and gay Marriage voted down would show people that.

I think what the polls are showing is it was the heavily Latino swing voters who voted for W in 2000 and 2004 and voted for Obama in 2008 who put yes on 8 over the top in CA. True, these people voted for Obama this year. However, it is also true that they are part of what has historically been called the religious right. They are by and large Catholics who historically have voted for Republicans.

meistereder

mammasan wrote:

Some polls show that it was actually the large African American turnout that helped pass Prop 8. It's been pretty well documented that homophobia is a bit of a problem in the African American community.

I am hearing about a big Latino Catholic turnout also, as I posted above.

mammasan

meistereder wrote:

I am hearing about a big Latino Catholic turnout also, as I posted above.

That is true as well. Crazy how the people Obama was relying on to get him elected are also the same people who helped pass this horrible proposition.

decides2dream

polaris wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKn5LNhNto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gE5oOuf_8A

just a quick search on ads - i mean really, who's to blame if these ads actually get bought up by people?

i don't click on youtube links from work....but if i remember i'll give em a gander later. although i am sure viewing such will more than likely give me outrage, and really...i am far too happy about the obama win. i've got myself worked up enough just reading about it :mad:...actual videos will just piss me off more........


i don't know who's to blame......but i sure wish we could figure it out. however, i don't have to look past my own family at times - not for intolerance towards gays - to see how relgion can cloud judgement on rights for others, and/or for believing the hype and fear, etc....all amongst many people who are quite intelligent in oh so many ways. it's scary how this sort of thing can permeate minds, intolerance is poison, and i don't think a great many even realize it.

mammasan wrote:

That is true as well. Crazy how the people Obama was relying on to get him elected are also the same people who helped pass this horrible proposition.

human beings are nothing else if not at the very least enigmas. we are such contradictory creatures in oh so many ways.

ACCBootlegGoddess

ReleaseMe... wrote:

my goal as a Catholic is to protect my religion. things that i have been taught and have studied since basically i was old enough to comprehend. according to this, marriage is between a man and a woman, so they can raise a family, the natural way, the way God intended.

i am a Catholic at my job, while playing sports, and in the voting booth. if the government puts in front of me, a choice of something that will support my religion...i get behind it.

same sex couples can live together, hold hands, whatever they want. marriage is a male and female

let the bashing begin

I am Roman Catholic too and what you just said made me sick to my stomach. It makes me sick how BIGOTS and yes I think you are a bigot...can take aspects of their religion...of MY religion and twist it to justify their own hatred and intolerance.
From one Catholic to another I ask you....It is not written in the bible (book of Genesis I believe) that Man was made in HIS OWN IMAGE. In Gods image! The Bible doesn't say STRAIGHT MEN were made in his image....just MAN.
In my opinion this hatred against gays, blacks, etc is hatred against God himself and you oughta be ashamed of yourself!!!
I hope this law gets shot down as discriminatory.

cincybearcat

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:

I am Roman Catholic too and what you just said made me sick to my stomach. It makes me sick how BIGOTS and yes I think you are a bigot...can take aspects of their religion...of MY religion and twist it to justify their own hatred and intolerance.
From one Catholic to another I ask you....It is not written in the bible (book of Genesis I believe) that Man was made in HIS OWN IMAGE. In Gods image! The Bible doesn't say STRAIGHT MEN were made in his image....just MAN.
In my opinion this hatred against gays, blacks, etc is hatred against God himself and you oughta be ashamed of yourself!!!
I hope this law gets shot down as discriminatory.

I'm not very religious myself, though raised Catholic, but I never saw this as twisting religion, it always seemd pretty straight forawrd to me that people against gay marriage were following the bible pretty strickly, not twisting it.

Though I guess they are forgetting about love their neighbor.

mammasan

cincybearcat wrote:

I'm not very religious myself, though raised Catholic, but I never saw this as twisting religion, it always seemd pretty straight forawrd to me that people against gay marriage were following the bible pretty strickly, not twisting it.

Though I guess they are forgetting about love their neighbor.

Or judge not lest ye be judged.