At least Prop 8 passed..

Stone Is God

josevolution wrote:

so can the gay couple who wants to marry travel to another state and get married there ? cause that is what i would do ..

I'm not sure but I think a lot of the states won't honor the marriage.

ReleaseMe...

mammasan wrote:

As I, and one other, asked before would you be so willing to accept Sharia law or any other religious ideology if it was forced on you?

if a group is 'strong enough' to have it put on the table, and get a majority to pass it....i would have no other choice right? just as these people have no other choice now. except to move somewhere else, right? so if i felt that strongly, and if they need the word 'marriage' for them to solidify their relationship...then they would move, cause looks like they are out of luck in Ca

mammasan

ReleaseMe... wrote:

if a group is 'strong enough' to have it put on the table, and get a majority to pass it....i would have no other choice right? just as these people have no other choice now. except to move somewhere else, right? so if i felt that strongly, and if they need the word 'marriage' for them to solidify their relationship...then they would move, cause looks like they are out of luck in Ca

So if the people in your state voted to make Muslim Sharia law the law of the land you would just move to another state. You are full of shit. You know as well as I do that you would fight tooth and nail. That you would find the enforcement of Muslim law on us as unacceptable. You are flat out a hypocrit because you find it acceptable to impose your morality on other but would never stand for it being done to you.

The best part about all this is your proclamation to be protecting your faith when I am willing to bet you don't know jack shit about Roman Catholicism and how throughout the history of the church it's leaders pick and choose what law and regulation to in force simply because it fits their agenda. So spare me the "Oh my church says it's wrong" bullshit because your church says divorce is wrong, your church says that eloping is wrong, your church states that if any one accusses a Bishop of any wrong doing that the accuser is suspect not the Bishop, it also states that anyone who doesn't pay a tithes to the church where to be excommunicated.

jeffbr

Much of the Bill of Rights is about protection from tyranny of the majority.

It sounds like if a majority voted to reinstate slavery, that would be swell, since that's what most people wanted. If you don't like it, just move to a different state, but if CA wanted to allow their citizens to have slaves, as long as that is what the majority wants, git er done.

decides2dream

ReleaseMe... wrote:

if a group is 'strong enough' to have it put on the table, and get a majority to pass it....i would have no other choice right? just as these people have no other choice now. except to move somewhere else, right? so if i felt that strongly, and if they need the word 'marriage' for them to solidify their relationship...then they would move, cause looks like they are out of luck in Ca

you could actually expect to hold your government accountable for pushing aside a clearly discriminatory issue. the majority vote, alone...does not make law. it has to uphold the rights of the constitution as well. someone else far more well-versed in this than me explained it well. it WAs overturned once already. something needs to be done.


once upon a time the 'majority' were against equal rights for women, for blacks. things change...for the better....as they should. religion has no place in government. tis a founding principle. sadly we seemingly forget that, over and over.

yosi1

mammasan wrote:

This is what I found on the topic of divorce.

It's from the 1st letter to the Corinthians

Paul says again: 'To them that are married, not I, but the Lord commandeth that the wife depart not from her husband; and if she depart, that she remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband' (1 Cor. VII. 10-11), and again 'a woman is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband die, she is at liberty' (1 Cor. VII. 39).

Interesting, but definitely post-Hebrew Bible.

mammasan wrote:

Now from reading these passages it would seem that women are not allowed to divorce their husbands but it does not state that husbands are not allowed to divorce their wives.

Well what do you know, a double standard for men and women in religion. Shock of shocks :rolleyes:

ReleaseMe...

mammasan wrote:

So if the people in your state voted to make Muslim Sharia law the law of the land you would just move to another state. You are full of shit. You know as well as I do that you would fight tooth and nail. That you would find the enforcement of Muslim law on us as unacceptable. You are flat out a hypocrit because you find it acceptable to impose your morality on other but would never stand for it being done to you.

The best part about all this is your proclamation to be protecting your faith when I am willing to bet you don't know jack shit about Roman Catholicism and how throughout the history of the church it's leaders pick and choose what law and regulation to in force simply because it fits their agenda. So spare me the "Oh my church says it's wrong" bullshit because your church says divorce is wrong, your church says that eloping is wrong, your church states that if any one accusses a Bishop of any wrong doing that the accuser is suspect not the Bishop, it also states that anyone who doesn't pay a tithes to the church where to be excommunicated.

you need some time to pray. i will pray for you. or, you can join me at mass this sunday. what time is good for you? 9am 10:15, 11:30, or 1?

yosi1

ReleaseMe... wrote:

if a group is 'strong enough' to have it put on the table, and get a majority to pass it....i would have no other choice right? just as these people have no other choice now. except to move somewhere else, right? so if i felt that strongly, and if they need the word 'marriage' for them to solidify their relationship...then they would move, cause looks like they are out of luck in Ca

Clearly you misunderstand what America is supposed to be about. We are supposed to be tolerant to other peoples religious beliefs, and not force them down their throats. Which is exactly what you're saying is ok.

mammasan

ReleaseMe... wrote:

you need some time to pray. i will pray for you. or, you can join me at mass this sunday. what time is good for you? 9am 10:15, 11:30, or 1?

Sorry I don't pray with hypocrits.

mammasan

yosi wrote:

Interesting, but definitely post-Hebrew Bible.



Well what do you know, a double standard for men and women in religion. Shock of shocks :rolleyes:

Judaism accepts divorce as a part of life and yes a double standard has definitely been par for the course in many religions.

ReleaseMe...

yosi wrote:

Clearly you misunderstand what America is supposed to be about. We are supposed to be tolerant to other peoples religious beliefs, and not force them down their throats. Which is exactly what you're saying is ok.

i am tolerant of other peoples (your words) "religious beliefs"

BUT if there was a vote as to which religion is right, or should be followed....tell me why i wouldnt vote for mine?

mammasan

ReleaseMe... wrote:

i am tolerant of other peoples (your words) "religious beliefs"

BUT if there was a vote as to which religion is right, or should be followed....tell me why i wouldnt vote for mine?

No your not because you are perfectly willing to deny certain people the opportunity to get married. You show no respect or tolerance in that aspect.

urbanhippie

ReleaseMe... wrote:

you need some time to pray. i will pray for you. or, you can join me at mass this sunday. what time is good for you? 9am 10:15, 11:30, or 1?

I'll pray for you, your state, your government and your country.


Just because you believe in God, does not mean you believe this is right.

AmentsChick

Yeah, no kidding...equality SUCKS. Just who do these gay people think they are? It's like they're actually HUMAN BEINGS or anything.... :rolleyes:

ReleaseMe...

mammasan wrote:

No your not because you are perfectly willing to deny certain people the opportunity to get married. You show no respect or tolerance in that aspect.

just because i am tolerant doesnt mean that i am not allowed to stand for something

decides2dream

ReleaseMe... wrote:

i am tolerant of other peoples (your words) "religious beliefs"

BUT if there was a vote as to which religion is right, or should be followed....tell me why i wouldnt vote for mine?

WHY would such a topic EVER be voted on in a country that is about religious freedom? religion and goverment....seperate. it really is a simple concept. and religious ideals should never 'come up' to a vote.


tolerance is shown with allowing others the freedom to follow their OWN beliefs, just as you are afforded those same rights....and that includes not even following any religious doctrine whatsoever. by voting FOR prop 8, you ARE infringing your beliefs on others, and from a legal standpoint....should not be tolerated. it got thrown out once...i truly hope they can do some other legal maneuvering to do so again.

mammasan

ReleaseMe... wrote:

just because i am tolerant doesnt mean that i am not allowed to stand for something

You are standing for intolerance.

AmentsChick

mammasan wrote:

You are standing for intolerance.

Simply well said.

ReleaseMe...

decides2dream wrote:

WHY would such a topic EVER be voted on in a country that is about religious freedom? religion and goverment....seperate. it really is a simple concept. and religious ideals should never 'come up' to a vote.


again, not my fault

justam

I thought it was pretty hateful to take away the right to get married. Why shouldn't it be ANY consenting adults can marry? They didn't choose to be born gay, they were just made that way.