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At least Prop 8 passed..

ReleaseMe...ReleaseMe... Posts: 494
edited November 2008 in A Moving Train
some people still have their heads on straight thank goodness
Mansfield II: # 23, since '03

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  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Really? Really?!?!? Like what is so good about the prop 8?
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    ahhh ... the tolerance and belief in liberty and freedoms shine bright ...
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    some people still have their heads on straight thank goodness

    Yes, because only people with their heads on straight should be able to decided who's marriage is valid.

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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Yes: thankfully the religious right are still exerting their intolerance. The last 8 years weren't for nought after all. :rolleyes:
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    some people still have their heads on straight thank goodness


    Enlighten me as to how gay marriage affects your daily life.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,584
    BinFrog wrote:
    Enlighten me as to how gay marriage affects your daily life.

    he can't hi's clueless :D ...
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    some people still have their heads on straight thank goodness


    What about all the people who have their heads on gay?
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    BinFrog wrote:
    Enlighten me as to how gay marriage affects your daily life.

    The notion that we can be tolerant, and afford freedoms affects my life. The intolerant passing laws to use the government to restrict choice affects my life. Religionists controlling government and enforcing their kooky beliefs affects my life.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    I wonder how it was worded.

    I still don't see how people en mass really care about forcing other people from having basic spousal treatment. It makes no sense at all. People lost sleep over two women or two men getting "married" seriously???

    The states idea of marriage has nothing to do with religion, every marriage is essentially a civil union and has certain legal ramifications therin. If you want to define the word marriage as a religious union between a man and woman I don't see why personally people can't do that.... but legally I don't see why gay people wouldn't be able to do the same things strait couples do in the eyes of the law.

    I definately don't understand creating a law defining marriage. I don't really see that as necessary. Seems like an incredible waste of time.
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  • Evacuation RulesEvacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    Why would you applaud a law that takes away people's civil liberties? The people of California are obviously so stupid, they need a constitutional amendment to tell them what the definition of marriage is. Pearl Jam must be proud to have so many fans who are compassionate and open-minded, and equally as horrified at the hatred and predjudice that other, less evolved fans display.
  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    jeffbr wrote:
    The notion that we can be tolerant, and afford freedoms affects my life. The intolerant passing laws to use the government to restrict choice affects my life. Religionists controlling government and enforcing their kooky beliefs affects my life.


    Umm, it sounds like you are debating me. Based on your response, we're on the same page.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    some people still have their heads on straight thank goodness


    I really hope that this is just an attempt at sarcasm.
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  • ReleaseMe...ReleaseMe... Posts: 494
    JWBusher wrote:
    The people of California are obviously so stupid
    nice one
    Mansfield II: # 23, since '03

    routine was the theme..

    there aint gonna be any middle any more
  • Camouflage NinjaCamouflage Ninja Posts: 7
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    What about all the people who have their heads on gay?

    That made me laugh.

    However, I'm in the huge minority here and am also glad 8 passed. I can understand your POV, but I also think that babies have rights too. I think the unborn baby has a right to be born and not terminated and also has the right to be born to a loving mother and father.
  • ReleaseMe...ReleaseMe... Posts: 494
    Camouflage Ninja wrote:
    That made me laugh.

    However, I'm in the huge minority here and am also glad 8 passed. I can understand your POV, but I also think that babies have rights too. I think the unborn baby has a right to be born and not terminated and also has the right to be born to a loving mother and father.
    get ready to be called ignorant, stupid, and clueless for our beliefs.....maybe the people who cant accept that people think differently should be labled those things
    Mansfield II: # 23, since '03

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Camouflage Ninja wrote:
    That made me laugh.

    However, I'm in the huge minority here and am also glad 8 passed. I can understand your POV, but I also think that babies have rights too. I think the unborn baby has a right to be born and not terminated and also has the right to be born to a loving mother and father.

    I can understand people being pro-life and they do have a point but being against same sex marriage just baffles me. How is letting two men or two women get married hurting anyone at all. It is simply a case of people trying to force their morality on others and that is simply not acceptable.
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  • Camouflage NinjaCamouflage Ninja Posts: 7
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    get ready to be called ignorant, stupid, and clueless for our beliefs.....maybe the people who cant accept that people think differently should be labled those things

    I know the others on the board think my opinion is ignorant and stupid. But what hurts the most is to know that pearl jam is disappointed in me.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Camouflage Ninja wrote:
    I know the others on the board think my opinion is ignorant and stupid. But what hurts the most is to know that pearl jam is disappointed in me.

    Why do you think that same sex marriage should be banned? On what legal ground?
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,584
    Camouflage Ninja wrote:
    I know the others on the board think my opinion is ignorant and stupid. But what hurts the most is to know that pearl jam is disappointed in me.


    they are i spoke to stone last month and he told me so :eek:
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,165
    If gay couples want to spend the rest of the lives in a miserable tied-down relationship with another individual like the heterosexual couples are, who am I to stop them? I think everyone should have the option to go through love, indiffernence, counseling, fighting, redistribution of personal property and divorce. Good times!
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  • ReleaseMe...ReleaseMe... Posts: 494
    Camouflage Ninja wrote:
    I know the others on the board think my opinion is ignorant and stupid. But what hurts the most is to know that pearl jam is disappointed in me.
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    I wonder how it was worded.

    I still don't see how people en mass really care about forcing other people from having basic spousal treatment. It makes no sense at all. People lost sleep over two women or two men getting "married" seriously???

    The states idea of marriage has nothing to do with religion, every marriage is essentially a civil union and has certain legal ramifications therin. If you want to define the word marriage as a religious union between a man and woman I don't see why personally people can't do that.... but legally I don't see why gay people wouldn't be able to do the same things strait couples do in the eyes of the law.

    I definately don't understand creating a law defining marriage. I don't really see that as necessary. Seems like an incredible waste of time.


    exactly!
    seperation of church and state...where oh where did it go?
    LEGAL marriage....RELIGIOUS marriage....NOT the same thing.
    it's amazing that some just dont want them queers to use the same language to 'label' their disgusting unions in the same way as god-fearing 'normal' people. *please denote sarcasm. allowing same sex marriages, and YES i fully agree they should be able to use the term MARRIAGE in NO way impacts anyone else's life but the 2 involved. keep your religion out of my government! and i say this as a heterosexual married woman.



    btw - i seriously think releaseme and camoflaugeninja have a good schtick going on. rebel-rousers. ;)
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  • ReleaseMe...ReleaseMe... Posts: 494
    decides2dream wrote:
    btw - i seriously think releaseme and camoflaugeninja have a good schtick going on. rebel-rousers. ;)
    hey, i lost the big one on tuesday...at least i can take something good out of the polls this year
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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    The thing I never understood about the anti-gay marriage argument is that all of the main arguments used could also be applied to divorce. Divorce is forbidden in the bible, divorce is hard for children to understand and divorce it could be argued cheapens the meaning of marriage. Yet how come no one is calling for a proposition to outlaw divorce?
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    I had this discussion with my dad. He and my mom divorced when he decided to leave and legitimize his relationship with the other woman. He argued for the sanctity of marriage. OK, whatever.

    Then I asked him: "Do you think people choose homosexuality or is it genetic." His answer was that some people were born gay. So then I asked him: "OK, if being gay is something that a person is born with, how can you take away their right to marry? Would you be against left-handed people or black people marrying?" He told me that wasn't the same.

    I guess my point is, some people simply don't like the idea of men marrying men or women marrying women. Apparently there are quite a few of those people.

    EDIT: Here's kind of a mind-bender: My dad said he was OK with gays having the civil benefits of marriage. Also, he labels himself an agnostic, so religion can't be the sticking point.
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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    decides2dream wrote:
    exactly!
    seperation of church and state...where oh where did it go?
    LEGAL marriage....RELIGIOUS marriage....NOT the same thing.
    it's amazing that some just dont want them queers to use the same language to 'label' their disgusting unions in the same way as god-fearing 'normal' people. *please denote sarcasm. allowing same sex marriages, and YES i fully agree they should be able to use the term MARRIAGE in NO way impacts anyone else's life but the 2 involved. keep your religion out of my government! and i say this as a heterosexual married woman.

    I totally agree. Passing a law to outlaw something that has zero effect on anyone but the people getting married, would be like passing a law to outlaw people painting their kitchens blue.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    hey, i lost the big one on tuesday...at least i can take something good out of the polls this year

    Neither you nor ninja have answered the question. On what legal ground should same sex marriage be banned?
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    get ready to be called ignorant, stupid, and clueless for our beliefs.....maybe the people who cant accept that people think differently should be labled those things


    I will stick with my original question.

    How does gay marriage affect you in the slightest bit?

    How does someone's bedroom activities have any bearing on your life whatsoever.

    Are you basing your opinion on religious beliefs, or something else?

    Again: how does this affect you at all?
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  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    I have spoken out about this in another couple of threads, but suffice it to say that this proposition passing is shameful, and it will continue to be challenged in various legal forums and in other states until eventually the law reflects the anti-discriminatory progress that has been made in other areas. The polls already show that if this had been left to people less than 60 years old, this law would not have passed, so at the very least it's just a matter of time until the old and less tolerant are no longer voting. More likely however, the courts will find the right time to step back in and strike it down, because on paper it is clearly in violation of the 14th amendment. Sometimes it just takes time for things to level out, and gay people are probably the easiest target of all. Lots of people in the world still believe that they are sinners, etc.

    By the way, I am straight, but I am one of those non-threatened straight guys who thinks people should have equal rights.
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  • Evacuation RulesEvacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    Anti-gay conservatives love to pretend that they're protecting their "religious beliefs", and they seem to think that it's okay to force these "beliefs" on other people. It's all a ploy to make themselves look more tolerant. Everybody knows that the real reason is predjudice, plain and simple. Gays are icky and don't derserve equal rights. There's nothing more to it than that. I've never heard one person who's against gay marriage give me one good reason besides "it's my religious beliefs" or "we're trying to protect the American family". And they NEVER tell you what they're protecting families from. It's just a bullshit, sleazebag excuse, because everybody knows that there is no real excuse.
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