Obama's Birth Certificate thing...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

aNiMaL wrote:

Back peddling. If that was a crime, they would lock you up.

Good thing for you it is not.

When did I ever say I bought this Berg thing outright? In fact, in another thread prior to this I openly admitted it was borderline.

Seeing as you can't legitimately come up with what my crime is here, I'll take that as an open admission to your blind partisanship, and overall high and mighty-ness factor.

aNiMaL

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

When did I ever say I bought this Berg thing outright? In fact, in another thread prior to this I openly admitted it was borderline.

Seeing as you can't legitimately come up with what my crime is here, I'll take that as an open admission to your blind partisanship, and overall high and mighty-ness factor.

I love that just because I disagreed and proved your every point wrong, that you try to pigeon hole me as being blind partisan.

That reminds me of people who come on this board (not this forum, but the other music related ones about Pearl Jam) and state something negative about Pearl Jam, and if someone disagrees with them (oddly enough this being a Pearl Jam message board) they are called ass kissers because they didn't agree with the OP.

Le6t me see if I have this straight:

I disagree with your anti-American, unsubstantiated claims against Obama. You think I don't form my own opinions because they differ from yours. You back all of your claims up with obamacrimes.com. I tell you in my own words why i think they are meaningless. I admit when I was less versed on the Indonesia subject, quickly read about it and formed my own opinion, which differs from yours. You try to use that to make the claim that none of my opinions are legit or valid, again siting something from obamacrimes.com. You then claim this entire thread was a ruse.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

aNiMaL wrote:

I love that just because I disagreed and proved your every point wrong, that you try to pigeon hole me as being blind partisan.

That reminds me of people who come on this board (not this forum, but the other music related ones about Pearl Jam) and state something negative about Pearl Jam, and if someone disagrees with them (oddly enough this being a Pearl Jam message board) they are called ass kissers because they didn't agree with the OP.

Le6t me see if I have this straight:

I disagree with your anti-American, unsubstantiated claims against Obama. You think I don't form my own opinions because they differ from yours. You back all of your claims up with obamacrimes.com. I tell you in my own words why i think they are meaningless. I admit when I was less versed on the Indonesia subject, quickly read about it and formed my own opinion, which differs from yours. You try to use that to make the claim that none of my opinions are legit or valid, again siting something from obamacrimes.com. You then claim this entire thread was a ruse.

Let me see if I got this straight. You don't know the details of something but you somehow take exalted vindication in pretending you know what you're talking about, and for those that try to bring it up in discussion...you shit all over them, and call them a slew of names and pose endless insinuations towards them.

yeap...

Yes, I understand that perfectly as you have most strikingly illustrated here today.

well done.

aNiMaL

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Let me see if I got this straight. You don't know the details of something but you somehow take exalted vindication in pretending you know what you're talking about, and for those that try to bring it up in discussion...you shit all over them, and call them a slew of names and pose endless insinuations towards them.

yeap...

Yes, I understand that perfectly as you have most strikingly illustrated here today.

well done.

You keep reading obamacrimes.com buddy. Get back to me when you have anything more worth wild to say other than blatantly trying to further your "Obama is an Anti-American" angle/argument.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

aNiMaL wrote:

You keep reading obamacrimes.com buddy. Get back to me when you have anything more worth wild to say other than blatantly trying to further your "Obama is an Anti-American" angle/argument.

It's a citizenship issue based on an outstanding legal case at the supreme court level.

Anti american?!?! Where the hell is this coming from now?

Dude, honestly what the fuck is wrong with you?

aNiMaL

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It's a citizenship issue based on an outstanding legal case at the supreme court level.

Anti american?!?! Where the hell is this coming from now?

Dude, honestly what the fuck is wrong with you?

You keep flip-flopping on either he was born in Kenya or is became an Indonesia citizen and therefore dropped his US citizenship. Those are pretty anti-American campaigns towards our president-elect. Our president-elect who was born in the United States and has always retained his US citizenship.

Just because a case is taken to court, doesn't mean it has any merit. Maybe things are different in your country.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

aNiMaL wrote:

You keep flip-flopping on either he was born in Kenya or is became an Indonesia citizen and therefore dropped his US citizenship. Those are pretty anti-American campaigns towards our president-elect. Our president-elect who was born in the United States and has always retained his US citizenship.

Just because a case is taken to court, doesn't mean it has any merit. Maybe things are different in your country.

I never brought up Kenya at any point in this thread, or anywhere really, so I have no idea where, or why, you're saying I keep flip flopping over it. The only thing I have done here is try to open up a discussion on something that seems to be a grey for a lot of people based on the amount of internet coverage it is receiving.

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

heehee

http://www.obamacrimes.com/

makes some rather interesting points of observation on the forgery issue...Hmmmm...

In any event...Happy December 1st deadline!

this trash went 12 pages?


this place has gone down hill big time

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

this trash went 12 pages?


this place has gone down hill big time

Yeah man...you're telling me.

Then I see articles like this http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72656

And I think why this matter hasn't been cleared up from the top just as surprising.

aNiMaL

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I never brought up Kenya at any point in this thread, or anywhere really, so I have no idea where, or why, you're saying I keep flip flopping over it. The only thing I have done here is try to open up a discussion on something that seems to be a grey for a lot of people based on the amount of internet coverage it is receiving.

By you bringing up this thread as a serious topic for discussion you gave credit to the notion that his birth certificate was possibly forged from Hawaii department of health and that he was born on Kenya, not in the US as his birth certificate states. And you got your thread topic and opinion from obamacrimes.com.

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yeah man...you're telling me.

Then I see articles like this http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72656

And I think why this matter hasn't been cleared up from the top just as surprising.

do you even read the links you put up?

did you read thisone? if so please hilight exactly your concerns from that article... please cut and paste them directly and tell me your problem with it

thanks, i cant wait to see this garbage

aNiMaL

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yeah man...you're telling me.

Then I see articles like this http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72656

And I think why this matter hasn't been cleared up from the top just as surprising.

Because it is not an issue at all. That is funny that you posted that link because that is what I read hours ago when we started this.

And again, so you don;t worry and panic:

"Indonesian law at the time also did not recognize dual citizenship, meaning if Obama became Indonesian, then as far as that country was concerned, his U.S. citizenship was no longer recognized by Indonesia. But U.S. law would still recognize Obama as an American citizen."

So again, what's the problem or what are your fears as a Canadian about our president-elect at one time having duel citizenship when he was around 5 years old?

my2hands

aNiMaL wrote:

So again, what's the problem or what are your fears as a Canadian about our president-elect at one time having duel citizenship when he was around 5 years old?

:cool:

RolandTD20Kdrummer

aNiMaL wrote:

Because it is not an issue at all. That is funny that you posted that link because that is what I read hours ago when we started this.

And again, so you don;t worry and panic:

"Indonesian law at the time also did not recognize dual citizenship, meaning if Obama became Indonesian, then as far as that country was concerned, his U.S. citizenship was no longer recognized by Indonesia. But U.S. law would still recognize Obama as an American citizen."

So again, what's the problem or what are your fears as a Canadian about our president-elect at one time having duel citizenship when he was around 5 years old?

You put words in my mouth at every turn, honestly it's getting pathetic.

I asked you for clarification on Indonesia...I guess you have amnesia if you read that article hours before the conversation started and went off on the obamcrimes.com tangent despite knowing better (apparently). It just further proves my point.

The entire issue revolves around the constitution and citizenship.

What part are you still not able to understand about that?

I'm really beginning to wonder at this point.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

:cool:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Constitution_Pg1of4_AC.jpg

:cool:

aNiMaL

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You put words in my mouth at every turn, honestly it's getting pathetic.

I asked you for clarification on Indonesia...I guess you have amnesia if you read that article hours before the conversation started and went off on the obamcrimes.com tangent despite knowing better (apparently). It just further proves my point.

The entire issue revolves around the constitution and citizenship.

What part are you still not able to understand about that?

I'm really beginning to wonder at this point.

You never asked me for clarification on Indonesian. You said:

"Did you even know the Indonesia angle until a few moments ago?"

I never said I read the article hours before our conversation started. i read that when you told me to Google "Obama Indonesia citizen" or something like that....which was hours ago.

And what exactly is your point because i have asked you several questions that you never seem to be able to answer, yet you continue to spew the same crap over and over again. Go back and answer some of my questions.

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Constitution_Pg1of4_AC.jpg

:cool:

what a joke


you cant even answer simple questions... you just spin around and around and listen to your own echo chamber

again, the link you posted in response to me... click and paste it, then hilight the areas of concern

and quite frankly, being an american citizen, i think i have a grasp on the United States Of America's constitution... speaking of which, why would you, a candian citizen, post a picture of MY countries constitution? pretty lame


OMG EVERYONE>>> OBAMA WAS DUAL CITIZEN WHEN HE WAS 5 YEARS OLD AND LIVING IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!! OMG THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END

what a joke


i see now why it has gone 12 pages... roland is full of shit, everyone calls him on it, and he continues to listen only to his own echo chamber and post WEAK responses and one liners

my2hands

i miss the days when real issues were discussed here by some real knowledgeable and realistic people...

aNiMaL

my2hands wrote:

what a joke


you cant even answer simple questions... you just spin around and around and listen to your own echo chamber

again, the link you posted in response to me... click and paste it, then hilight the areas of concern

and quite frankly, being an american citizen, i think i have a grasp on the United States Of America's constitution... speaking of which, why would you, a candian citizen, post a picture of MY countries constitution? pretty lame


OMG EVERYONE>>> OBAMA WAS DUAL CITIZEN WHEN HE WAS 5 YEARS OLD AND LIVING IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!! OMG THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END

what a joke


i see now why it has gone 12 pages... roland is full of shit, everyone calls him on it, and he continues to listen only to his own echo chamber and post WEAK responses and one liners

He has yet to answer a single direct question I have asked him. Not a single one.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

aNiMaL wrote:

You never asked me for clarification on Indonesian. You said:

"Did you even know the Indonesia angle until a few moments ago?"

I never said I read the article hours before our conversation started. i read that when you told me to Google "Obama Indonesia citizen" or something like that....which was hours ago.

And what exactly is your point because i have asked you several questions that you never seem to be able to answer, yet you continue to spew the same crap over and over again. Go back and answer some of my questions.

Ok so then you do admit to not knowing about Indonesia but following along with the status quo based on what you believe to be true (that's blind partisanship by default which I've pointed out twice now). Your only valid argument with me is that I did not know all the details of the case...either did you, but it's my fault for not knowing and understanding everything from top to bottom to begin with.

Man...it's like pulling teeth just to get you to see the simple reality of your actions, and why I said what I said at the time (blind partisanship...which it is). You on the other hand have had a rather colorful array of derogatory terms to say about me to the point of putting words in my mouth over and over again, and even making stuff up (Kenya).

That's just sad.

btw...
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=6037941&postcount=123

your mind is so far removed from the logistical and factual aspects of this discussion, that it's pointless to continue.