Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit

inmytree

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The statement was that she was near death, so he had to make an special emergency trip.

I'm doubting how near death she is.

simple really...read into it, and call people whatever names you must...

It still doesn't change the fact that a citizen of the US legally asked for proof of citizenship and was told to go fuck off by team Obama.

can you fax me a copy of your birth certificate...?

Strangest Tribe

I can't help but see the glaring contradiction of this argument that's actually coming from people that are fully against articles such as the Patriot Act. People that have posted on this forum numerous times about the right to privacy and how we should be protected from our government and it's people when it comes to our privacy.

Isn't it a huge contradiction to demand to see anyone's Birth Certificate on a public level? Especially since it's unprecedented. Has there ever been a President that was asked to publically disclose his birthcertificate? Why aren't the same questions being asked of McCain, Biden, or Palin? Isn't this a matter of privacy and we should trust that the proper people in our government has already seen to this matter?
With a lawsuit like this you could be establishing precedent that would make everyone's birth certificate public record.

Think about it. Some of you are supposed to be so smart but can't you see if a matter like this is not responsibly handled then BC's could become public record.
Employers could insist on birthcertificates (or simply look them up on the public record) for job applicants and since your BC has your race identification it would be unconstitutional.

Geezus this is not an argument we need to be having.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

inmytree wrote:

can you fax me a copy of your birth certificate...?

yes, very easily. I have two formats, wallet size and 8.5 x 11...the hospital delivered both.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Strangest Tribe wrote:

I can't help but see the glaring contradiction of this argument that's actually coming from people that are fully against articles such as the Patriot Act. People that have posted on this forum numerous times about the right to privacy and how we should be protected from our government and it's people when it comes to our privacy.

Isn't it a huge contradiction to demand to see anyone's Birth Certificate on a public level? Especially since it's unprecedented. Has there ever been a President that was asked to publically disclose his birthcertificate? Why aren't the same questions being asked of McCain, Biden, or Palin? Isn't this a matter of privacy and we should trust that the proper people in our government has already seen to this matter?
With a lawsuit like this you could be establishing precedent that would make everyone's birth certificate public record.

Think about it. Some of you are supposed to be so smart but can't you see if a matter like this is not responsibly handled then BC's could become public record.
Employers could insist on birthcertificates (or simply look them up on the public record) for job applicants and since your BC has your race identification it would be unconstitutional.

Geezus this is not an argument we need to be having.

That's great and all, but the people don't work for the government, it's the other way around.

inmytree

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

yes, very easily. I have two formats, wallet size and 8.5 x 11...the hospital delivered both.

wallet sized...?

hmmm....sounds fake...

shall I PM my fax number...?

Strangest Tribe

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

That's great and all, but the people don't work for the government, it's the other way around.

Ignorant argument.
My employer doesn't work for the government does he have a right to see all applicant's birthcertificates?
Isn't it a matter of privacy?
I applaud Obama for not complying, you should too!

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

something tells me if it were Nader people would be crying about how its another example of eroding our civil liberties and how "the man" is trying to disqualify him on a technicality.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Ignorant argument.
My employer doesn't work for the government does he have a right to see all applicant's birthcertificates?
Isn't it a matter of privacy?
I applaud Obama for not complying, you should too!

Your employer is not a judge. Privacy is easily maintained in a court of law if desired, and in this case it's a very simple process.

If there was a question of natural born status, I would think any politician regardless of who they are should be required to prove their legitimacy.

Strangest Tribe

MrSmith wrote:

something tells me if it were Nader people would be crying about how its another example of eroding our civil liberties and how "the man" is trying to disqualify him on a technicality.

Exactly!!!!

And where was Nader born? He's of Arab decent. How do we know for sure? We'll need to see his papers as well.

Then before you go vote, you'll need to get your birth certificate authenticated by a lawyer or anyone else that might happen to ask.

anotherclone

I don't get the whole birth certificate broo-ha-ha but something about this just smacks of desperation and I like that a whole lot.

Do people actually think that when Obama announced his campaign for the presidency, the powers that be in this country didn't check to see that he might not be a citizen? Do you think that someone in the FBI or the CIA didn't do a background check on him because they "forgot"?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

inmytree wrote:

wallet sized...?

hmmm....sounds fake...

shall I PM my fax number...?

email your hospital, they will probably have the same if you inquire.

In any event...do you have a court order or any legal reason to see it?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MrSmith wrote:

something tells me if it were Nader people would be crying about how its another example of eroding our civil liberties and how "the man" is trying to disqualify him on a technicality.

Count me out. I don't blindly love any politician that much. Nor should anyone.

Strangest Tribe

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Your employer is not a judge. Privacy is easily maintained in a court of law if desired, and in this case it's a very simple process.

If there was a question of natural born status, I would think any politician regardless of who they are should be required to prove their legitimacy.

But it's already been proven...to do so is redundant and besides that is not what the lawsuit is about anyway. It's about disclosing a private document to a private individual (see lawyer and people) it's not about privacy, it's about disclosure publically. The appeal is even more specific in it's wording.
It's unconstitutional as well as crass in it's very nature.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Strangest Tribe wrote:

But it's already been proven...to do so is redundant and besides that is not what the lawsuit is about anyway. It's about disclosing a private document to a private individual (see lawyer and people) it's not about privacy, it's about disclosure publically. The appeal is even more specific in it's wording.
It's unconstitutional as well as crass in it's very nature.

"Proven" seems to be the word of the day in this case. The judge could have it certified without releasing the information to third parties or the public.

The guy has a right to ask, and has a rather convincing case, but it seems that right is being tossed aside.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

"Proven" seems to be the word of the day in this case. The judge could have it certified without releasing the information to third parties or the public.

The guy has a right to ask, and has a rather convincing case, but it seems that right is being tossed aside.

sounds to me his beef is with the gov't, not Obama.

its kind of a stupid law anyway, and doesnt really fit with the rest of the constitution and equal rights and all that. it opens the door for shit like one person being able to demand private documents from another.

Strangest Tribe

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

"Proven" seems to be the word of the day in this case. The judge could have it certified without releasing the information to third parties or the public.

The guy has a right to ask, and has a rather convincing case, but it seems that right is being tossed aside.

Under privacy laws he doesn't have a right to ask. A judge would have to make that decision. The judge said NO!!!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Under privacy laws he doesn't have a right to ask. A judge would have to make that decision. The judge said NO!!!

So we are told what we are told, no questions asked. Sounds good.

Strangest Tribe

The media addressed these issues long before Obama became a Presidential candidate. Obama's past has been well documented. Wiki it if you don't believe me. He's also told us about his names in all his books. Read don't base your assumptions on some paranoid politcal inferences.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Strangest Tribe wrote:

The media addressed these issues long before Obama became a Presidential candidate. Obama's past has been well documented. Wiki it if you don't believe me. He's also told us about his names in all his books. Read don't base your assumptions on some paranoid politcal inferences.

"Well documented" seems to be the word of the day.

Maybe they should all just go look on Wikipedia, and adjourn.

inmytree

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

email your hospital, they will probably have the same if you inquire.

In any event...do you have a court order or any legal reason to see it?

ha ha ha...

all talk...

I knew it...