Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit

RolandTD20Kdrummer

The plot thickened...

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html

"A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama’s lawyers to produce a “vault” copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers. "

"By failing to respond to the Request for Admissions and Request for the Production of Documents within 30 days, Obama has “admitted” that he was born in Kenya, Berg stated this week in new court filings.

Berg released a long list of “admissions” he submitted to Obama’s lawyers on Sept. 15, and asked that they produce documents relating to Obama’s place of birth and citizenship.

Instead of responding, lawyers for Obama and the DNC asked the court to dismiss the case. But Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has issued no ruling in the case that would have given Obama’s lawyers more time.

“There are lots of legal ways to stonewall,” a well-placed Republican attorney told Newsmax, who was not authorized to comment officially on the case. “But failing to respond is not one of them.”

“The first thing they teach you in law school,” he added, “is don’t put a complaint like this in a drawer. That’s how a nuisance case can become a problem.”

The 30-day deadline for defendants to comply with a discovery request is set forth in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedures.

“It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side,” Berg said after he filed a motion on Thursday for summary judgment. "

fugawzi

So what's your point? I'm just asking. Are you implying there's some truth to the allegation he's not a natural born citizen? If so, a simple Google search is all it takes to see that he's a natural born citizen.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

RolandTD20Kdrummer

fugawzi wrote:

So what's your point? I'm just asking. Are you implying there's some truth to the allegation he's not a natural born citizen? If so, a simple Google search is all it takes to see that he's a natural born citizen.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

The last few points he made in the OP

Anon

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Pj_Gurl wrote:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

His lawyers should have quickly emailed him those two links across if that were the case (one would think anyways) For some reason it's still an issue (seemingly despite), to the point it's now in default.

bizarre.

fugawzi

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

His lawyers should have quickly emailed him those two links across if that were the case (one would think anyways) For some reason it's still an issue (seemingly despite), to the point it's now in default.

bizarre.

Or the link that I provided in the second post in this thread which clearly shows his legitimate birth certificate and lists the credentials. The reason it's still an issue is because Obama's way up and the other side is grabbing at straws.

NOCODE#1

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

His lawyers should have quickly emailed him those two links across if that were the case (one would think anyways) For some reason it's still an issue (seemingly despite), to the point it's now in default.

bizarre.

i didnt realize he answers to PA.

racism runs rampant in PA!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

NOCODE#1 wrote:

i didnt realize he answers to PA.

racism runs rampant in PA!

All it takes is a simple email apparently. If it's so easy and apparent, what is the issue exactly? is what I'm wondering Why wouldn't someone just dismiss it before it reaches this point? Which version of the certificate is being held up exactly?

“The first thing they teach you in law school,” he added, “is don’t put a complaint like this in a drawer. That’s how a nuisance case can become a problem.”

Odd.

beachdweller

this shows how dumb and desparate republicans are. the bush run government would never allow Obama to be the Democratic candidate for President if he wasn't U S born. You have to prove you're U S born as a part of the process for running for President.

I'll be so happy when Obama wins, the right wing nutjobs that control the Republican party will lose that power, since it's their fault they are in this situation.

Strong arming the moderate republicans the last 7 + years to do as the bush admin says is coming back to bite them in the ass.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

beachdweller wrote:

this shows how dumb and desparate republicans are. the bush run government would never allow Obama to be the Democratic candidate for President if he wasn't U S born. You have to prove you're U S born as a part of the process for running for President.

I'll be so happy when Obama wins, the right wing nutjobs that control the Republican party will lose that power, since it's their fault they are in this situation.

Strong arming the moderate republicans the last 7 + years to do as the bush admin says is coming back to bite them in the ass.

Then his lawyers say...uh ....hey....check sn0pes d00d...

then everyone oooo's and ahhhh's....

The Illinoisemakers

From what I've heard the problem with the certificate of live birth for Berry is it doesn't have the proper or needed seal and there were some questions about his name on the certificate. On the paper copy it looked or looks like there is a name written underneath Berry's.

Point of clarification this Berg guy is actually a registered Democrat.

DriftingByTheStorm

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Then his lawyers say...uh ....hey....check sn0pes d00d...

then everyone oooo's and ahhhh's....

PWNED!
:cool:

fugawzi

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

From what I've heard the problem with the certificate of live birth for Berry is it doesn't have the proper or needed seal and there were some questions about his name on the certificate. On the paper copy it looked or looks like there is a name written underneath Berry's.

From the bi-partisan site factcheck.org:

"Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false...Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said....We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates)."

This is a non-issue. Enough already.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

DriftingByTheStorm

fugawzi wrote:

This is a non-issue. Enough already.

Actually, it IS an issue, and it is OBAMA himself who is making it an issue.

It is an issue because it is IN COURT,
and because Obama's counsel is either completely incompetent (doubtful) or they are having some troubles with their case (seemingly?) ...

it is an issue up to and until the time Obama's counsel successfully answers the charges before the court, OR

more likely,
until someone blackmails this judge in to dismissing the case.

I don't really give a good goddamn where the fuck the man was born,
but his legal team is absolutely fucking retarded for not producing the requested documents, assuming they have them.

Like the OP article says, “There are lots of legal ways to stonewall [...] but failing to respond is not one of them.”

fugawzi

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Actually, it IS an issue, and it is OBAMA himself who is making it an issue.

It is an issue because it is IN COURT,
and because Obama's counsel is either completely incompetent (doubtful) or they are having some troubles with their case (seemingly?) ...

it is an issue up to and until the time Obama's counsel successfully answers the charges before the court, OR

more likely,
until someone blackmails this judge in to dismissing the case.

I don't really give a good goddamn where the fuck the man was born,
but his legal team is absolutely fucking retarded for not producing the requested documents, assuming they have them.

Like the OP article says, “There are lots of legal ways to stonewall [...] but failing to respond is not one of them.”

He doesn't need to respond. It's already been proven he's a natural born citizen. Anyone can file a lawsuit whether it has any merit to it or not, frivolous is the word I believe, doesn't make it an issue. NON-ISSUE. End of story. It just shows the desperation of those who don't want him elected.

DriftingByTheStorm

fugawzi wrote:

He doesn't need to respond. It's already been proven he's a natural born citizen. Anyone can file a lawsuit whether it has any merit to it or not, frivolous is the word I believe, doesn't make it an issue. NON-ISSUE. End of story. It just shows the desperation of those who don't want him elected.

Actually, he DOES need to respond.
He is being sued in court,
and if he doesn't respond, he is liable to be found both ineligible for the presidency, and also in contempt of court.

Anyhow, the judge appears to be about ready to make a decision on the case.

If it was truly "frivolous" it would have been dismissed quite a while ago (this case was started in early august, i think).

Check this site: http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/space-reserved-for-news-on-court-order.html

Apparently Mr. Berg has taped testimony from relatives saying they were present for Obama's delivery ... presumably in Kenya.

I don't really know, and like i said, don't really care,
but it is dishonest for you to suggest this is "frivolous" just because you have a digital image from Obama's official website, and then also the unverified claim on some website, "i have seen the original".

Well here is some news,
even the judge in this case hasn't seen the original,
and the onus is on OBAMA to produce that evidence.
HE HASN'T.

So quit saying its a dead issue,
because it is not.
And IT IS OBAMAS FAULT.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

word...

DriftingByTheStorm

This Berg fella on the Savage show, yesterday.

And FYI for all you misinformed, Phil Berg is a DEMOCRAT.

obamacrimes.com wrote:

Now Berg cites Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

Since Obama has only filed motions to dismiss and has not actually answered the charges in the lawsuit, Berg claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen.

a statement released today, Berg argues that he filed Requests for Admissions on Sept. 15, meaning Obama had until Oct. 15 to answer or face the consequences of Rule 36.

Makes sense to me.
But then again, presidential candidates don't follow federal rules, right?

blackredyellow

this same guy filed a suit in 2000 that Bush couldn't win texas' electoral votes because cheney wasn't a resident of wyoming...

DriftingByTheStorm

blackredyellow wrote:

this same guy filed a suit in 2000 that Bush couldn't win texas' electoral votes because cheney wasn't a resident of wyoming...

He is also formerly a Deputy Attorney General for the State of Pennsylvania.

I'm sure he is a kook.

Listen to the above interview around 20-25 minutes.
Sounds like he's got some pretty damning evidence.

fugawzi

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Actually, he DOES need to respond.
He is being sued in court,
and if he doesn't respond, he is liable to be found both ineligible for the presidency, and also in contempt of court.

Anyhow, the judge appears to be about ready to make a decision on the case.

If it was truly "frivolous" it would have been dismissed quite a while ago (this case was started in early august, i think).

Check this site: http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/space-reserved-for-news-on-court-order.html

Apparently Mr. Berg has taped testimony from relatives saying they were present for Obama's delivery ... presumably in Kenya.

I don't really know, and like i said, don't really care,
but it is dishonest for you to suggest this is "frivolous" just because you have a digital image from Obama's official website, and then also the unverified claim on some website, "i have seen the original".

Well here is some news,
even the judge in this case hasn't seen the original,
and the onus is on OBAMA to produce that evidence.
HE HASN'T.

So quit saying its a dead issue,
because it is not.
And IT IS OBAMAS FAULT.

Ok well I completely disagree with everything you said there. Especially that he's liable to be ineligible for the presidency. You do seem to care because you're posting a lot about it. It's a FRIVOLOUS lawsuit no question about it. Totally dead issue and not Obama's fault at all. The digital image of his birth certificate that I posted the link to is not from "Obama's website" it's from the bi-partisan factcheck.org and his authentic U.S. birth certificate is at his campaign HQ in Illinois I believe. But ok Drifting, like you said they will rule on it soon. And when they rule that it's a bullshit case I'll be here waiting to see what you have to say. Can't wait.