Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit
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The plot thickened...
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html
"A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama’s lawyers to produce a “vault” copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers. "
"By failing to respond to the Request for Admissions and Request for the Production of Documents within 30 days, Obama has “admitted” that he was born in Kenya, Berg stated this week in new court filings.
Berg released a long list of “admissions” he submitted to Obama’s lawyers on Sept. 15, and asked that they produce documents relating to Obama’s place of birth and citizenship.
Instead of responding, lawyers for Obama and the DNC asked the court to dismiss the case. But Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has issued no ruling in the case that would have given Obama’s lawyers more time.
“There are lots of legal ways to stonewall,” a well-placed Republican attorney told Newsmax, who was not authorized to comment officially on the case. “But failing to respond is not one of them.”
“The first thing they teach you in law school,” he added, “is don’t put a complaint like this in a drawer. That’s how a nuisance case can become a problem.”
The 30-day deadline for defendants to comply with a discovery request is set forth in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedures.
“It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side,” Berg said after he filed a motion on Thursday for summary judgment. "
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html
"A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama’s lawyers to produce a “vault” copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers. "
"By failing to respond to the Request for Admissions and Request for the Production of Documents within 30 days, Obama has “admitted” that he was born in Kenya, Berg stated this week in new court filings.
Berg released a long list of “admissions” he submitted to Obama’s lawyers on Sept. 15, and asked that they produce documents relating to Obama’s place of birth and citizenship.
Instead of responding, lawyers for Obama and the DNC asked the court to dismiss the case. But Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has issued no ruling in the case that would have given Obama’s lawyers more time.
“There are lots of legal ways to stonewall,” a well-placed Republican attorney told Newsmax, who was not authorized to comment officially on the case. “But failing to respond is not one of them.”
“The first thing they teach you in law school,” he added, “is don’t put a complaint like this in a drawer. That’s how a nuisance case can become a problem.”
The 30-day deadline for defendants to comply with a discovery request is set forth in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedures.
“It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side,” Berg said after he filed a motion on Thursday for summary judgment. "
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
The last few points he made in the OP
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
His lawyers should have quickly emailed him those two links across if that were the case (one would think anyways) For some reason it's still an issue (seemingly despite), to the point it's now in default.
bizarre.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Or the link that I provided in the second post in this thread which clearly shows his legitimate birth certificate and lists the credentials. The reason it's still an issue is because Obama's way up and the other side is grabbing at straws.
racism runs rampant in PA!
All it takes is a simple email apparently. If it's so easy and apparent, what is the issue exactly? is what I'm wondering Why wouldn't someone just dismiss it before it reaches this point? Which version of the certificate is being held up exactly?
“The first thing they teach you in law school,” he added, “is don’t put a complaint like this in a drawer. That’s how a nuisance case can become a problem.”
Odd.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I'll be so happy when Obama wins, the right wing nutjobs that control the Republican party will lose that power, since it's their fault they are in this situation.
Strong arming the moderate republicans the last 7 + years to do as the bush admin says is coming back to bite them in the ass.
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Then his lawyers say...uh ....hey....check sn0pes d00d...
then everyone oooo's and ahhhh's....
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Point of clarification this Berg guy is actually a registered Democrat.
PWNED!
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
From the bi-partisan site factcheck.org:
"Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false...Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said....We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates)."
This is a non-issue. Enough already.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Actually, it IS an issue, and it is OBAMA himself who is making it an issue.
It is an issue because it is IN COURT,
and because Obama's counsel is either completely incompetent (doubtful) or they are having some troubles with their case (seemingly?) ...
it is an issue up to and until the time Obama's counsel successfully answers the charges before the court, OR
more likely,
until someone blackmails this judge in to dismissing the case.
I don't really give a good goddamn where the fuck the man was born,
but his legal team is absolutely fucking retarded for not producing the requested documents, assuming they have them.
Like the OP article says, “There are lots of legal ways to stonewall [...] but failing to respond is not one of them.”
If I opened it now would you not understand?
He doesn't need to respond. It's already been proven he's a natural born citizen. Anyone can file a lawsuit whether it has any merit to it or not, frivolous is the word I believe, doesn't make it an issue. NON-ISSUE. End of story. It just shows the desperation of those who don't want him elected.
Actually, he DOES need to respond.
He is being sued in court,
and if he doesn't respond, he is liable to be found both ineligible for the presidency, and also in contempt of court.
Anyhow, the judge appears to be about ready to make a decision on the case.
If it was truly "frivolous" it would have been dismissed quite a while ago (this case was started in early august, i think).
Check this site: http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/space-reserved-for-news-on-court-order.html
Apparently Mr. Berg has taped testimony from relatives saying they were present for Obama's delivery ... presumably in Kenya.
I don't really know, and like i said, don't really care,
but it is dishonest for you to suggest this is "frivolous" just because you have a digital image from Obama's official website, and then also the unverified claim on some website, "i have seen the original".
Well here is some news,
even the judge in this case hasn't seen the original,
and the onus is on OBAMA to produce that evidence.
HE HASN'T.
So quit saying its a dead issue,
because it is not.
And IT IS OBAMAS FAULT.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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And FYI for all you misinformed, Phil Berg is a DEMOCRAT.
Makes sense to me.
But then again, presidential candidates don't follow federal rules, right?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
He is also formerly a Deputy Attorney General for the State of Pennsylvania.
I'm sure he is a kook.
Listen to the above interview around 20-25 minutes.
Sounds like he's got some pretty damning evidence.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Ok well I completely disagree with everything you said there. Especially that he's liable to be ineligible for the presidency. You do seem to care because you're posting a lot about it. It's a FRIVOLOUS lawsuit no question about it. Totally dead issue and not Obama's fault at all. The digital image of his birth certificate that I posted the link to is not from "Obama's website" it's from the bi-partisan factcheck.org and his authentic U.S. birth certificate is at his campaign HQ in Illinois I believe. But ok Drifting, like you said they will rule on it soon. And when they rule that it's a bullshit case I'll be here waiting to see what you have to say. Can't wait.
If Obama can not prove that he is a natural born citizen he has by DEFAULT become ineligible for the presidency.
I DON'T care about 1 of 2 crappy candidates possibly being barred from the presidency,
what i DO care about is people like you who are so blind in their partisan support, that they aren't even willing to entertain the notion that something might be rotten in denmark.
I mean, you can't even admit that it is POSSIBLE that this might be legitimate.
And you won't be laughing at me if\when the judge rules, because i haven't claimed a side on this, other than to say that the onus is definately on OBAMA to answer the charges brought against him.
This is about the foundation of our system of law.
If someone can just decide to not follow the rules of our legal system, because they think a lawsuit is a joke, then we have big problems.
PS - you might want to fact check your own damn claim of frivolity, because it is absurd.
Mr. Berg is asking for something VERY simple ... proof of natural born citizenship.
Obama has NOT produced that proof in over TWO MONTHS.
How does that make Mr. Berg's case frivolous?
If anything it ads a lot of weight to his claim.
(and if he turns out to be wrong, it makes obama's staff seem VERY incompetent for prolonging the drama)
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I couldn't get that link to work using Firefox, Opera, or Internet Exploder 7, but I found these:
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvGtGitwMR0
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57C9b-ZoNTo&feature=related
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
FYI:
Mr. Berg is asking Obama to produce his long-form "Birth Certificate", not his "Certification of Live Birth" which is an annotated form.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Can we stop referring to things as bi-partisan? There is no such thing anymore.
Only someone EXTREMELY partisan would make a comment like that.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
blackmail? you have no credibility with cracks like that. it's a non-issue, you can't say someone isn't a citizen because you don't believe in a photograph, the burden of proof is not on Obama, and saying his birth certificate isn't real doesn't make it true.
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This board is crazy. We have the most partisan political environment in history, with Fox News on the right, and MSNBC on the left. The DailyKos and MoveOn.org pushing their agenda, along with the right wing sites. Air America radio (which no one listens to), and the right-wing radio idealogues. Lobbyists rule Washington. Congress's approval rating is at a historical low due to the partisan bickering that halts any real legislation. A woman lied about being beaten by an Obama supporter. Palin is painted as the devil immediately by people who had never heard of her a day before. The list goes on and on and on.
Now, you expect me to believe that FactCheck.org is something I can believe in? There can't be any agenda behind that organization? Even when Obama has ties to it? Maybe they are taking something at face value because they got the "answer" they liked?
Anyway, your comment seems a little ridiculous in the political climate we live in. I'm not partisan for saying what I said, I'm realistic. Wake up. I guess we must trust whatever organization is favorable to Obama.
Nice intro..."warning: may contain psychological nudity..."
ima check me out this Savage guy
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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