Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    Yea, they have, which is why this is a shitty argument. Do you know what kind of state she's in? She could be pretty fuckin bad and maybe he doesn't want to subject his kids to having to see a person holding on the the very thin lines of life that they have left. And it's HIS grandmother, not his wife's. Maybe he feels that this matter is too personal and that he want's it to be between him and his grandmother.

    That's what bothers me about criticism like that... we have no idea exactly what state she is in, no idea what their conversations were or what her thoughts on it is, but people speculate in a negative way because they don't like the person.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    fugawzi wrote:
    Dude you brought the topic up, I'm just commenting on it. Is that not ok? Tell me not to post in your thread anymore and I won't if that's what you want. Just about everyone else agrees with me about it so they must be "internet crusaders" too.


    Agreed.... you think Savage is a raving, demented, insane, mentalcase, pschoypath, nutjob, with zero hopes of redemption. He will suffer in hell for all eternity, because he is such human garbage....and not only that, he's really worse than that x1000.

    Ok, but he's dead on about many aspects of how the political system works. Dead on.

    You can learn something from everybody, and in this case it applies.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    For different people there's a different answer. For me it would be yes.


    I think for anyone with that much money and social status, you would expect it.

    It's actually rather strange when the family does not go to such an event. Rather strange indeed.

    but not for Obama....people love him no matter what...no matter what..

    no matter what.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I think for anyone with that much money and social status, you would expect it.

    It's actually rather strange when the family does not go to such an event. Rather strange indeed.

    but not for Obama....people love him no matter what...no matter what..

    no matter what.

    And people hate him no matter what... no matter what...

    no matter what.

    But most of us are somewhere in the middle of the two extremes.
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  • fugawzi
    fugawzi Posts: 891
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Well, Obama could put it to rest, but he hasn't, and now he's quickly running off to Hawaii to see his grandmother because she's on her "deathbed" at the last minute, but he goes solo to a family crisis.

    Any bets that she doesn't die?

    Let's not toss common sense out the windows over Obama partisanship.

    Roland come on man. He did put it to rest when he allowed people to see and photograph his birth certificate. At least 4 independent websites have discredited the theory that he wasn't born in the U.S. One of those sites' founders has endorsed JOHN McCAIN for president! A judge just THREW OUT the lawsuit alleging he wasn't born here. Conservative bloggers have said he was born in the U.S. and it's not an issue. There's no partisanship when you're talking facts. You're now asking if anyone wants to take bets that his grandmother doesn't die. Dude I'm all for freedom of speech and you expressing your ideas, but tone it down just a little man. That's all I'm saying.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    blackredyellow wrote:
    And people hate him no matter what... no matter what...

    no matter what.

    But most of us are somewhere in the middle of the two extremes.


    Some do, but If Barak is going to have problems presenting a simple birth certificate...

    god help us all.

    That's the point being made here. The request is an excruciating simple one, but not for Barak....it seems to be a highly complicated process...growing more complicated by the minute.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    fugawzi wrote:
    Roland come on man. He did put it to rest when he allowed people to see and photograph his birth certificate. At least 4 independent websites have discredited the theory that he wasn't born in the U.S. One of those sites' founders has endorsed JOHN McCAIN for president! A judge just THREW OUT the lawsuit alleging he wasn't born here. Conservative bloggers have said he was born in the U.S. and it's not an issue. There's no partisanship when you're talking facts. You're now asking if anyone wants to take bets that his grandmother doesn't die. Dude I'm all for freedom of speech and you expressing your ideas, but tone it down just a little man. That's all I'm saying.

    A judge....which judge?

    Apparently this guy has a case. Have you listened to what he had to say about it?

    It isn't some guy off the street saying it. Fast forward to Berg.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvGtGitwMR0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57C9b-ZoNTo&feature=related
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I think for anyone with that much money and social status, you would expect it.

    It's actually rather strange when the family does not go to such an event. Rather strange indeed.

    but not for Obama....people love him no matter what...no matter what..

    no matter what.


    It's only strange to those who would do something different. If it were me I'd go alone. I'd be there with whatever family knew her best and spent the most time with her. Like I said before, people react differently to situations that all of us go through and what you would deem "normal" or "acceptable" could be "uncomfortable" and "unnecessary" to someone else.
  • fugawzi
    fugawzi Posts: 891
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    A judge....which judge?

    Apparently this guy has a case. Have you listened to what he had to say about it?

    It isn't some guy off the street saying it. Fast forward to Berg.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvGtGitwMR0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57C9b-ZoNTo&feature=related

    Well I don't know the judge's name but he threw the case out, ruled it was "frivolous and not worthy of discussion." Just like I said last night. I know, it must be some conspiracy against Obama. Riiiight. There is no case man. Let it go. Berg is a psychopath Clinton supporter who has been trying anyway he can to invalidate Obama's nomination. He's a 9/11 truther conspiracy theorist. He's brought these types of lawsuits before with the same result.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    fugawzi wrote:
    Well I don't know the judge's name but he threw the case out, ruled it was "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

    The judge also said that Berg had no legal right to bring the case, because he believed that no real damages were caused by the alleged action.

    This should have you worried.

    I could care less about Obama,
    but the fact that this judge is willing to dismiss a case that goes to the heart of our election laws, as written in the constitution, and to further rule that one has "no standing" (no legal standing, meaning, no legal ground to base your case on) is downright disturbing.

    Once again,
    he wouldn't even allow the disclosure process to complete.
    What the fuck is up with that?
    Two months of motions and proceedings,
    and all of a sudden, when obama fails to produce requested documentation, THEN the case is frivolous?

    Why not 2 months ago when the judge first heard arguments?

    :rolleyes:
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    "However, the 2007 document produced by the Obama campaign omits key information that normally appears on birth certificates in the United States, including the name of the hospital where he was born, the size and weight of the baby, and sometimes the name of the doctor who delivered him. "
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
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  • fugawzi
    fugawzi Posts: 891
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I could care less about Obama

    Do you mean you care about Obama? Or don't care? Not caring would be "I COULDN'T care less." Not could. Just trying to make sure you're not saying the opposite of what you mean to say.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    fugawzi wrote:
    Do you mean you care about Obama? Or don't care? Not caring would be "I COULDN'T care less." Not could. Just trying to make sure you're not saying the opposite of what you mean to say.

    i could give two shits.
    is this your way of feeling mentally superior?
    picking me apart over a silly figure of speech?
    or are you just trolling att his point?
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  • fugawzi
    fugawzi Posts: 891
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    i could give two shits.
    is this your way of feeling mentally superior?
    picking me apart over a silly figure of speech?
    or are you just trolling att his point?

    No I'm just pointing out that if you meant to say you don't care about Obama then you meant to say "I COULDN'T care less" But if you meant to say you care about him then you said it just fine. Sorry for trying to clarify what you mean. I know saying things properly can get in the way sometimes. Pesky grammar.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    fugawzi wrote:
    No I'm just pointing out that if you meant to say you don't care about Obama then you meant to say "I COULDN'T care less" But if you meant to say you care about him then you said it just fine. Sorry for trying to clarify what you mean. I know saying things properly can get in the way sometimes. Pesky grammar.

    As someone who knows from experience, when your arguments move to being picky about grammar, you are losing.
  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    As someone who knows from experience, when your arguments move to being picky about grammar, you are losing.
    No, sometimes it's just someone who cares about language, grammar and spelling. Is that that really that hard to believe? I know I do care, but don't post about it. I do appreciate those who do though. :)
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    wolfbear wrote:
    No, sometimes it's just someone who cares about language, grammar and spelling. Is that that really that hard to believe? I know I do care, but don't post about it. I do appreciate those who do though. :)

    :rolleyes:

    yeah.
    its that that really that hard to believe.
    ;):D;)
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    What if it was sorta reversed, say it turns out that McCain may not have American birth rights, would the dems say that he still should be running in this electing at this point in time? Or would you say that he must step done due to the law? or Provide more proof or whatever it is.

    Imagine it turns out that it was not on the air base.
  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    :rolleyes:

    yeah.
    its that that really that hard to believe.
    ;):D;)
    Haha, for the record, I was serious. :)
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    MrBrian wrote:
    What if it was sorta reversed, say it turns out that McCain may not have American birth rights, would the dems say that he still should be running in this electing at this point in time? Or would you say that he must step done due to the law? or Provide more proof or whatever it is.

    Imagine it turns out that it was not on the air base.
    Nar, the rules apply to everyone whether i like it or not. I just can't get my head around how something like this could actually happen. We are days out from the election.

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