I don't get you Roland... Why would someone who isn't even a US citizen spend so much time (and so many thousands of posts) bashing our political system? Are Canadian politics that irrelevant that you have to focus your conspiracies and manufactured disbelief on our system?
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
To quote my post, I said "A woman LIED about being beaten by an Obama supporter". Just showing the extremes of the partisanship we have now.
Ok, i wasn't sure where you were coming from, because in that particular thread you thought it was disgusting that people were doubting the womans story.
I'm not surprised at all. The left is so full of hate and despises conservatives, that it would look at a beaten woman and say she is a liar. Disgusting.
You complained that the left was so disgusting that it would call a "beaten" woman a liar. Now that is extreme partisanship.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
"Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false...Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said....We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates)."
I didn't know Roland wasn't from the US. Why not debate the issues of your own country? There are plenty of Canadians here.
he does on other threads, but he does have a hard on for this birth certificate lawsuit bullshit and i dont know why...why do you keep bringing this up Roland when we both know its sideshow b.s.?
I only read the first page of this thread so forgive me if this is repetitive.
What's the goal to get Obama elected if he's not a citizen? I mean, why would the Clintons let this happen? How could the republicans let their guy lose to a non-citizen? How was this not discovered in the vetting process? The Dems have looked at Obama since he spoke at the 2004 convention.
I can't imagine that this is all a fraud. Too many people with too many conflicting goals and interests would have to align to pull it off. Obama is a natural-born American.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
Dude....Savage is blowing my mind. About a third of the way in on his Oct 24th show...
Savage is usually blowing something, but I don't think it's people's minds...
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Savage is usually blowing something, but I don't think it's people's minds...
Are you the anti mike Savage internet crusader? Do you have a costume too?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I don't care about this matter at all but that's a pretty shitty argument
really? anyone ever get sick in you family before?
This story is getting better by the moment.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I don't get you Roland... Why would someone who isn't even a US citizen spend so much time (and so many thousands of posts) bashing our political system? Are Canadian politics that irrelevant that you have to focus your conspiracies and manufactured disbelief on our system?
I didn't know Roland wasn't from the US. Why not debate the issues of your own country? There are plenty of Canadians here.
In all fairness guys, I don't see any problem with him posting his opinions here whether he's a citizen or not. While I disagree with about 95% of the things he says I don't see a problem with him saying what he feels, as crazy as it might be sometimes.
why do you keep bringing this up Roland when we both know its sideshow b.s.?
Because Micahel Savage says it's true. And so does Jerome Corsi, and Philip J. Berg. They have such great track records so they must be right. (Sarcasm)
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
I didn't know Roland wasn't from the US. Why not debate the issues of your own country? There are plenty of Canadians here.
Let me get back to you on that in a few months...or longer
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Are you the anti mike Savage internet crusader? Do you have a costume too?
Dude you brought the topic up, I'm just commenting on it. Is that not ok? Tell me not to post in your thread anymore and I won't if that's what you want. Just about everyone else agrees with me about it so they must be "internet crusaders" too.
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
really? anyone ever get sick in you family before?
This story is getting better by the moment.
Yea, they have, which is why this is a shitty argument. Do you know what kind of state she's in? She could be pretty fuckin bad and maybe he doesn't want to subject his kids to having to see a person holding on the the very thin lines of life that they have left. And it's HIS grandmother, not his wife's. Maybe he feels that this matter is too personal and that he want's it to be between him and his grandmother.
In all fairness guys, I don't see any problem with him posting his opinions here whether he's a citizen or not. While I disagree with about 95% of the things he says I don't see a problem with him saying what he feels, as crazy as it might be sometimes.
Because Micahel Savage says it's true. And so does Jerome Corsi, and Philip J. Berg. They have such great track records so they must be right. (Sarcasm)
Well, Obama could put it to rest, but he hasn't, and now he's quickly running off to Hawaii to see his grandmother because she's on her "deathbed" at the last minute, but he goes solo to a family crisis.
It just isn't adding up. Any bets that she doesn't die?
Let's not toss common sense out the windows over Obama partisanship.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yea, they have, which is why this is a shitty argument. Do you know what kind of state she's in? She could be pretty fuckin bad and maybe he doesn't want to subject his kids to having to see a person holding on the the very thin lines of life that they have left. And it's HIS grandmother, not his wife's. Maybe he feels that this matter is too personal and that he want's it to be between him and his grandmother.
She's about to die apparently..on her deathbed allegedly ...
Would you lfly off and eave your family behind for that? Not even bring your wife?
answer...no!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yea, they have, which is why this is a shitty argument. Do you know what kind of state she's in? She could be pretty fuckin bad and maybe he doesn't want to subject his kids to having to see a person holding on the the very thin lines of life that they have left. And it's HIS grandmother, not his wife's. Maybe he feels that this matter is too personal and that he want's it to be between him and his grandmother.
That's what bothers me about criticism like that... we have no idea exactly what state she is in, no idea what their conversations were or what her thoughts on it is, but people speculate in a negative way because they don't like the person.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Dude you brought the topic up, I'm just commenting on it. Is that not ok? Tell me not to post in your thread anymore and I won't if that's what you want. Just about everyone else agrees with me about it so they must be "internet crusaders" too.
Agreed.... you think Savage is a raving, demented, insane, mentalcase, pschoypath, nutjob, with zero hopes of redemption. He will suffer in hell for all eternity, because he is such human garbage....and not only that, he's really worse than that x1000.
Ok, but he's dead on about many aspects of how the political system works. Dead on.
You can learn something from everybody, and in this case it applies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
For different people there's a different answer. For me it would be yes.
I think for anyone with that much money and social status, you would expect it.
It's actually rather strange when the family does not go to such an event. Rather strange indeed.
but not for Obama....people love him no matter what...no matter what..
no matter what.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I think for anyone with that much money and social status, you would expect it.
It's actually rather strange when the family does not go to such an event. Rather strange indeed.
but not for Obama....people love him no matter what...no matter what..
no matter what.
And people hate him no matter what... no matter what...
no matter what.
But most of us are somewhere in the middle of the two extremes.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Well, Obama could put it to rest, but he hasn't, and now he's quickly running off to Hawaii to see his grandmother because she's on her "deathbed" at the last minute, but he goes solo to a family crisis.
Any bets that she doesn't die?
Let's not toss common sense out the windows over Obama partisanship.
Roland come on man. He did put it to rest when he allowed people to see and photograph his birth certificate. At least 4 independent websites have discredited the theory that he wasn't born in the U.S. One of those sites' founders has endorsed JOHN McCAIN for president! A judge just THREW OUT the lawsuit alleging he wasn't born here. Conservative bloggers have said he was born in the U.S. and it's not an issue. There's no partisanship when you're talking facts. You're now asking if anyone wants to take bets that his grandmother doesn't die. Dude I'm all for freedom of speech and you expressing your ideas, but tone it down just a little man. That's all I'm saying.
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
And people hate him no matter what... no matter what...
no matter what.
But most of us are somewhere in the middle of the two extremes.
Some do, but If Barak is going to have problems presenting a simple birth certificate...
god help us all.
That's the point being made here. The request is an excruciating simple one, but not for Barak....it seems to be a highly complicated process...growing more complicated by the minute.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Roland come on man. He did put it to rest when he allowed people to see and photograph his birth certificate. At least 4 independent websites have discredited the theory that he wasn't born in the U.S. One of those sites' founders has endorsed JOHN McCAIN for president! A judge just THREW OUT the lawsuit alleging he wasn't born here. Conservative bloggers have said he was born in the U.S. and it's not an issue. There's no partisanship when you're talking facts. You're now asking if anyone wants to take bets that his grandmother doesn't die. Dude I'm all for freedom of speech and you expressing your ideas, but tone it down just a little man. That's all I'm saying.
A judge....which judge?
Apparently this guy has a case. Have you listened to what he had to say about it?
It isn't some guy off the street saying it. Fast forward to Berg.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I think for anyone with that much money and social status, you would expect it.
It's actually rather strange when the family does not go to such an event. Rather strange indeed.
but not for Obama....people love him no matter what...no matter what..
no matter what.
It's only strange to those who would do something different. If it were me I'd go alone. I'd be there with whatever family knew her best and spent the most time with her. Like I said before, people react differently to situations that all of us go through and what you would deem "normal" or "acceptable" could be "uncomfortable" and "unnecessary" to someone else.
Well I don't know the judge's name but he threw the case out, ruled it was "frivolous and not worthy of discussion." Just like I said last night. I know, it must be some conspiracy against Obama. Riiiight. There is no case man. Let it go. Berg is a psychopath Clinton supporter who has been trying anyway he can to invalidate Obama's nomination. He's a 9/11 truther conspiracy theorist. He's brought these types of lawsuits before with the same result.
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
Well I don't know the judge's name but he threw the case out, ruled it was "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."
The judge also said that Berg had no legal right to bring the case, because he believed that no real damages were caused by the alleged action.
This should have you worried.
I could care less about Obama,
but the fact that this judge is willing to dismiss a case that goes to the heart of our election laws, as written in the constitution, and to further rule that one has "no standing" (no legal standing, meaning, no legal ground to base your case on) is downright disturbing.
Once again,
he wouldn't even allow the disclosure process to complete.
What the fuck is up with that?
Two months of motions and proceedings,
and all of a sudden, when obama fails to produce requested documentation, THEN the case is frivolous?
Why not 2 months ago when the judge first heard arguments?
:rolleyes:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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Why do you care? Is she your grandmother too?
This explains so much...
I don't get you Roland... Why would someone who isn't even a US citizen spend so much time (and so many thousands of posts) bashing our political system? Are Canadian politics that irrelevant that you have to focus your conspiracies and manufactured disbelief on our system?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Actually you said:
You complained that the left was so disgusting that it would call a "beaten" woman a liar. Now that is extreme partisanship.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
maybe he frows lil old white ladiez under the train too :(
shame on you roland.
you're forgetting that the repugnicans are RUNNING on non-issues. it's all they've got.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
I didn't know Roland wasn't from the US. Why not debate the issues of your own country? There are plenty of Canadians here.
What's the goal to get Obama elected if he's not a citizen? I mean, why would the Clintons let this happen? How could the republicans let their guy lose to a non-citizen? How was this not discovered in the vetting process? The Dems have looked at Obama since he spoke at the 2004 convention.
I can't imagine that this is all a fraud. Too many people with too many conflicting goals and interests would have to align to pull it off. Obama is a natural-born American.
Savage is usually blowing something, but I don't think it's people's minds...
Does it not seem unusual to you, that he races off for a "family crisis", but it's not even a family event?
Cool...thanks.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I don't care about this matter at all but that's a pretty shitty argument
Are you the anti mike Savage internet crusader? Do you have a costume too?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
really? anyone ever get sick in you family before?
This story is getting better by the moment.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
In all fairness guys, I don't see any problem with him posting his opinions here whether he's a citizen or not. While I disagree with about 95% of the things he says I don't see a problem with him saying what he feels, as crazy as it might be sometimes.
Because Micahel Savage says it's true. And so does Jerome Corsi, and Philip J. Berg. They have such great track records so they must be right. (Sarcasm)
Let me get back to you on that in a few months...or longer
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Dude you brought the topic up, I'm just commenting on it. Is that not ok? Tell me not to post in your thread anymore and I won't if that's what you want. Just about everyone else agrees with me about it so they must be "internet crusaders" too.
Yea, they have, which is why this is a shitty argument. Do you know what kind of state she's in? She could be pretty fuckin bad and maybe he doesn't want to subject his kids to having to see a person holding on the the very thin lines of life that they have left. And it's HIS grandmother, not his wife's. Maybe he feels that this matter is too personal and that he want's it to be between him and his grandmother.
Well, Obama could put it to rest, but he hasn't, and now he's quickly running off to Hawaii to see his grandmother because she's on her "deathbed" at the last minute, but he goes solo to a family crisis.
It just isn't adding up. Any bets that she doesn't die?
Let's not toss common sense out the windows over Obama partisanship.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
She's about to die apparently..on her deathbed allegedly ...
Would you lfly off and eave your family behind for that? Not even bring your wife?
answer...no!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
For different people there's a different answer. For me it would be yes.
That's what bothers me about criticism like that... we have no idea exactly what state she is in, no idea what their conversations were or what her thoughts on it is, but people speculate in a negative way because they don't like the person.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Agreed.... you think Savage is a raving, demented, insane, mentalcase, pschoypath, nutjob, with zero hopes of redemption. He will suffer in hell for all eternity, because he is such human garbage....and not only that, he's really worse than that x1000.
Ok, but he's dead on about many aspects of how the political system works. Dead on.
You can learn something from everybody, and in this case it applies.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I think for anyone with that much money and social status, you would expect it.
It's actually rather strange when the family does not go to such an event. Rather strange indeed.
but not for Obama....people love him no matter what...no matter what..
no matter what.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
And people hate him no matter what... no matter what...
no matter what.
But most of us are somewhere in the middle of the two extremes.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Roland come on man. He did put it to rest when he allowed people to see and photograph his birth certificate. At least 4 independent websites have discredited the theory that he wasn't born in the U.S. One of those sites' founders has endorsed JOHN McCAIN for president! A judge just THREW OUT the lawsuit alleging he wasn't born here. Conservative bloggers have said he was born in the U.S. and it's not an issue. There's no partisanship when you're talking facts. You're now asking if anyone wants to take bets that his grandmother doesn't die. Dude I'm all for freedom of speech and you expressing your ideas, but tone it down just a little man. That's all I'm saying.
Some do, but If Barak is going to have problems presenting a simple birth certificate...
god help us all.
That's the point being made here. The request is an excruciating simple one, but not for Barak....it seems to be a highly complicated process...growing more complicated by the minute.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
A judge....which judge?
Apparently this guy has a case. Have you listened to what he had to say about it?
It isn't some guy off the street saying it. Fast forward to Berg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvGtGitwMR0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57C9b-ZoNTo&feature=related
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It's only strange to those who would do something different. If it were me I'd go alone. I'd be there with whatever family knew her best and spent the most time with her. Like I said before, people react differently to situations that all of us go through and what you would deem "normal" or "acceptable" could be "uncomfortable" and "unnecessary" to someone else.
Well I don't know the judge's name but he threw the case out, ruled it was "frivolous and not worthy of discussion." Just like I said last night. I know, it must be some conspiracy against Obama. Riiiight. There is no case man. Let it go. Berg is a psychopath Clinton supporter who has been trying anyway he can to invalidate Obama's nomination. He's a 9/11 truther conspiracy theorist. He's brought these types of lawsuits before with the same result.
The judge also said that Berg had no legal right to bring the case, because he believed that no real damages were caused by the alleged action.
This should have you worried.
I could care less about Obama,
but the fact that this judge is willing to dismiss a case that goes to the heart of our election laws, as written in the constitution, and to further rule that one has "no standing" (no legal standing, meaning, no legal ground to base your case on) is downright disturbing.
Once again,
he wouldn't even allow the disclosure process to complete.
What the fuck is up with that?
Two months of motions and proceedings,
and all of a sudden, when obama fails to produce requested documentation, THEN the case is frivolous?
Why not 2 months ago when the judge first heard arguments?
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?