Israeli settlers spray chemicals on Palestinian farmers while attacking them

MrBrian

Speaking of Chemicals, anyone familiar with this?

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Crash of Cargo Plane in Holland Revealed Existence of Israeli Chemical and Biological Weapons Plant

By Victor Ostrovsky
On Oct. 4, 1992 a Tel Aviv-bound El Al cargo aircraft crashed into an apartment complex in Bijlmermeer, a neighborhood on the outskirts of Amsterdam a few minutes after takeoff from the nearby Shipol airport. The crash of the Boeing 747-200 killed 39 people on the ground and all four crew members.

The plane’s cargo was the subject of wide speculation for the next six years. The local media suspected something was not right when the crash site was cordoned off and access was limited to non-Dutch search teams in space suit-like protective gear.

At first the rumor was that there were radioactive materials on board, and radioactive traces continued to send Geiger counters off their scales long after the site was cleaned up. The Dutch government accepted the Israeli government’s explanation that radioactive counterweights were present in all early models of the 747s.

After the crash El Al representatives handed over to the Dutch authorities a revised cargo manifest which, sources now admit, included a variety of materials previously not disclosed. For some unexplained reason, the Dutch officials agreed to keep Israel’s secrets.

For years following the crash, however, residents of the surrounding neighborhoods displayed a uniquely high number of unusual ailments. But when they took to the media their inquiries as to whether the plane’s cargo could have contained health hazards, both the residents and the media were brushed off. Even though Dutch authorities knew what was on that plane, they preferred to lie to their own citizens rather than confront Israel.
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Despite the fact that Israel has accused just about every country it regards as an enemy of developing chemical and biological weapons, it has never acknowledged its own programs to develop weapons of mass destruction. Yet a biologist who once held a senior post in Israeli intelligence told Mahanimi, “There is hardly a single known or unknown form of chemical or biological weapon…which is not manufactured at the institute.”
(In Israel)

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/1298/9812019.html

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MrBrian wrote:

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/1298/9812019.html

hey, that's where I work.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

polaris wrote:

here is a death count ratio from 2007

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/01/israelandthepalestinians.international

Israeli: 13
Palestinian: 373
Ratio: 29 to 1

That was in 2007 in a year of relative calm.

That was the Nazi philosophy as well...you kill one of ours we kill ten of yours.

Good to see they are keeping the Nazi methodology alive and well.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Occupation 101...if you haven't seen it (twice) already Do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWnMFbYzoKc

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Report: Israel committed more than 51 violations since the truce started:

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7fM78hljwVCm81PW1nF1WGL7HQXrSSM5FGSVAwqKBLdDaD%2bq1hooFlfkVO0HvNXnp3lhjhl6eD4abcRwLetYvlNk7D%2f1XUXa0Qctwbm%2fPg14%3d

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RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Report: Israel committed more than 51 violations since the truce started:

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7fM78hljwVCm81PW1nF1WGL7HQXrSSM5FGSVAwqKBLdDaD%2bq1hooFlfkVO0HvNXnp3lhjhl6eD4abcRwLetYvlNk7D%2f1XUXa0Qctwbm%2fPg14%3d

Posting links?? don't you know that it's not good to do that?? you're just beating a dead horse.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37MFa7ZKQWo&feature=related

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Killing Children No Longer a Big Deal
http://www.jerusalemites.org/articles/english/oct2004/19.htm

'Breaking the silence - Israeli Soldiers Talk about the Occupied Territories'
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/index_e.asp

B'Tselem
'Israel’s Separation Policy and Forced
Eviction of Palestinians from the Center of Hebron - 2007'
http://www.btselem.org/Download/200705_Hebron_eng.pdf

'Evaluation of the Use of Force in Israel, Gaza and
the West Bank - Medical and Forensic Investigation -
A Report by Physicians for Human Rights
November 3, 2000'
http://physiciansforhumanrights.org/library/documents/reports/report-useofforce-israel.pdf

Anon

I don't normally post in these threads, but to me it seems like they will just continue to destroy each other no matter what the consequences.

There's such a deep seeded bitterness and hatred that's been festering for years. They are both at fault. Israel has to give back some, if not all of the land gained in the war and the palestinians have to stop the lunacy of killing innocent people with their retarded suicide bombers.

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Pj_Gurl wrote:

I don't normally post in these threads, but to me it seems like they will just continue to destroy each other no matter what the consequences.

There's such a deep seeded bitterness and hatred that's been festering for years. They are both at fault. Israel has to give back some, if not all of the land gained in the war and the palestinians have to stop the lunacy of killing innocent people with their retarded suicide bombers.

Suicide bombing is built by the media to make it seem like it happens everyday. It doesn't.

Suicide bombing, while it has claimed many innocent lives, is nothing compared to what the Israeli Army does on a daily basis which claims tons more lives. The difference? what the Israeli Army does is considered "legal" by the U.S. Just wanted to point out to you that associating targeting innocent people with the Palestinians is actually a mistake most people often make.

I agree with you that Israel must withdraw from the occupied territories and give up that land for peace. once they do that, the Palestinians will stop retaliating with their guerrilla warfare, and talks will begin. However, until that happens, the Palestinians will respond with whatever means at their disposal. That's what happens when you're fighting the second largest military in the world without your own military.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Media spinnnnnn

spinnnnn

It's all explained candidly in the US history books why there's a new "evil guy" (uhh now with a turban) that wants to kill you (oOoOooOooO) and he lives in the middle east now...

again and again....

War economy....

no mysteries to this paper thin puzzle.

Anon

_outlaw wrote:

Suicide bombing is built by the media to make it seem like it happens everyday. It doesn't.

Suicide bombing, while it has claimed many innocent lives, is nothing compared to what the Israeli Army does on a daily basis which claims tons more lives. The difference? what the Israeli Army does is considered "legal" by the U.S. Just wanted to point out to you that associating targeting innocent people with the Palestinians is actually a mistake most people often make.

But it's not a mistake that people make. There's no mistake. They do do it. They do target innocent people. I think they are both at fault.

Anon

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Media spinnnnnn

spinnnnn

It's all explained candidly in the US history books why there's a new "evil guy" (uhh now with a turban) that wants to kill you (oOoOooOooO) and he lives in the middle east now...

again and again....

War economy....

no mysteries to this paper thin puzzle.

This is probably a little off topic, but i can remember being taught at school when i was small, about the Israeli Olympic Athletes that were murdered by the Palestinians at the Munic Olympics. We watched documentries on it, and i can remember being mortified when they showed the dead hijackers in coffins back in their homeland being absolutely worshipped by their supporters. I thought they were crazy people. I could not comprehend that someone would do that and then be so happy about it (I was probably only about 9 or 10).

That stuck in my head for ages. It really upset me. Obviously as i got older i understood more about the conflict that is going on over there, and that it's not just one party at fault. I still look at the news reports and still get sickened by the mass hysteria and great delight that both parties seem to display whilst they are murdering of each other. Israel has to give back some of the land. Obviously that's just a start and much more needs to be done. That doesn't look like happening anytime soon. Is there ever going to be a peaceful solution?

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Pj_Gurl wrote:

But it's not a mistake that people make. There's no mistake. They do do it. They do target innocent people. I think they are both at fault.

It's a mistake when people associate it with the Palestinians as if they're the only ones doing it, and not just that, but as if they're doing it more than the Israelis.

And I know about the whole argument "two wrongs don't make a right" but don't give me that shit because the fact of the matter is that there is more than one problem to this conflict which is that people cannot understand what the Palestinians are forced to go through by the Israelis and why they would choose to attack the Israelis.

People seem to thing that "they're both at fault" is fine because it shows you're unbiased. fine. go ahead and claim being unbiased, but you can't claim you're being correct because there IS such thing as one being at more fault than the other. when one person can solve a majority of the conflict by doing something but chooses not to (Israel withdrawing from occupied territories), while also choosing to attack civilians, starve and torture people, etc, then it goes to show that this conflict is definitely bigger than "both sides are at fault".

Anon

_outlaw wrote:

It's a mistake when people associate it with the Palestinians as if they're the only ones doing it, and not just that, but as if they're doing it more than the Israelis.

And I know about the whole argument "two wrongs don't make a right" but don't give me that shit because the fact of the matter is that there is more than one problem to this conflict which is that people cannot understand what the Palestinians are forced to go through by the Israelis and why they would choose to attack them.

People seem to thing that "they're both at fault" is fine because it shows you're unbiased. fine. go ahead and claim being unbiased, but you can't claim you're being correct because there IS such thing as one being at more fault than the other. when one person can solve a majority of the conflict by doing something but chooses not to (Israel withdrawing from occupied territories), while also choosing to attack civilians, starve and torture people, etc, then it goes to show that this conflict is definitely bigger than "both sides are at fault".

I can't speak for anybody else, but i absolutely believe you are correct when you say 'people cannot understand what the Palestinians are forced to go through by the Israelis and why they would choose to attack them.'

I don't think like they do, and thankfully i don't have to live like they do. I can easily say i wouldn't fight back the way they are, but if i was subjected to what they were, i don't know what i would do in that situation. I think thats why people like me find it easy to say 'they are both at fault'. Because i am not there and not being subjected to what they are.

That doesn't mean i find what the israelis are doing acceptable. No way. I believe that they are the instigators of the continuing violence. They can make things better there but they choose not to. They will not bend an inch. That's about as honest as i can be. It seems simple to me, Israel has to withdraw from the occupied territories. Then they can work on the other problems.

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Pj_Gurl wrote:

I can't speak for anybody else, but i absolutely believe you are correct when you say 'people cannot understand what the Palestinians are forced to go through by the Israelis and why they would choose to attack them.'

I don't think like they do, and thankfully i don't have to live like they do. I can easily say i wouldn't fight back the way they are, but if i was subjected to what they were, i don't know what i would do in that situation. I think thats why people like me find it easy to say 'they are both at fault'. Because i am not there and not being subjected to what they are.

That doesn't mean i find what the israelis are doing acceptable. No way. I believe that they are the instigators of the continuing violence. They can make things better there but they choose not to. They will not bend an inch. That's about as honest as i can be. It seems simple to me, Israel has to withdraw from the occupied territories. Then they can work on the other problems.

I think we're on the same page here.

cincybearcat

_outlaw wrote:

Suicide bombing is built by the media to make it seem like it happens everyday. It doesn't.

And it doesn;t matter if it's every day, every other day, or once a month.

I'm amazed that you are unabel to say...sucicide bombing is wrong and bad...if you can't do that, you can't have a meaningful discussion on this matter.

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cincybearcat wrote:

And it doesn;t matter if it's every day, every other day, or once a month.

I'm amazed that you are unabel to say...sucicide bombing is wrong and bad...if you can't do that, you can't have a meaningful discussion on this matter.

because it's irrelevant. it does matter if it happens everyday or not... in fact, it matters a whole fucking lot.

The only reason people bring up suicide bombings in debates is to justify Israeli military action against the Palestinians, or to make it as if the violence there is equal on both sides, which is, as you might guess now, bullshit.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7528741.stm

"Israeli PM Ehud Olmert has said he does not believe a comprehensive peace settlement can be reached with the Palestinians this year."

cincybearcat

_outlaw wrote:

because it's irrelevant. it does matter if it happens everyday or not... in fact, it matters a whole fucking lot.

The only reason people bring up suicide bombings in debates is to justify Israeli military action against the Palestinians, or to make it as if the violence there is equal on both sides, which is, as you might guess now, bullshit.

By the way, I'm also amazed at my terrible typing, I coudl hardly even read my post.