Israeli settlers spray chemicals on Palestinian farmers while attacking them

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    if you read the post then what the hell are you even talking about. comparing both sides as if they're equal is ridiculous.

    to you....
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    yes, and my whole point of POSTING those numbers was to prove...

    jesus christ, do I have to say it again??

    you're getting green and vigorous again....

    breathe.....:)
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    inmytree wrote:
    to you....
    to anyone who looks at facts. facts I, and several other people, have presented many times.
  • Its Evolution Baby
    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    The real reason it doesn't matter if the Palestinians are right or not is because the Israelis are the ones in power. They have no reason to make concessions especially with the US support that they receive.

    Is this right? Probably not but its the reality of the situation. The Palestinians don't seem willing to compromise because they feel its there land and they want it back. This is why we have the never ending violence between the two sides.

    For Peace to occur the Palestinians will have to compromise some of there positions with Israel and Israel will have to be willing to grant the Palestinians there own state. After that both sides will have to do there best to ignore each other.

    A lot of people can get hung up on who's causing what and who is right but that really doesn't accomplish anything. Both sides will need to compromise for a solution and that is a fact.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    to anyone who looks at facts. facts I, and several other people, have presented many times.

    again...

    you've got the "I'm right and since you don't think just like me, you're wrong" thing going...

    breathe...
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,886
    _outlaw wrote:
    if you read the post then what the hell are you even talking about. comparing both sides as if they're equal is ridiculous.


    Where did I ever say anything about equal?

    I simply stated that it showed both sides were in the wrong...I'm not passing out judgements in how wrong...you are.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    The Palestinians don't seem willing to compromise because they feel its there land and they want it back. This is why we have the never ending violence between the two sides.
    No, that's not right.

    The Israelis are not willing to compromise at all. They have never offered to compromise at all... which is why they are currently occupying stolen land, and causing humanitarian crises all over the country. The violence is instigated by Israel much of the time as well.

    Blaming the Palestinians for not "willing to compromise", thus blaming the violence on them is not right. The Israelis have been incredibly violent over the past 70 years atleast. These Palestinian "terror attacks" that you see on TV did not really begin until 30 years after the occupation.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,886
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    The real reason it doesn't matter if the Palestinians are right or not is because the Israelis are the ones in power. They have no reason to make concessions especially with the US support that they receive.

    Is this right? Probably not but its the reality of the situation. The Palestinians don't seem willing to compromise because they feel its there land and they want it back. This is why we have the never ending violence between the two sides.

    For Peace to occur the Palestinians will have to compromise some of there positions with Israel and Israel will have to be willing to grant the Palestinians there own state. After that both sides will have to do there best to ignore each other.

    A lot of people can get hung up on who's causing what and who is right but that really doesn't accomplish anything. Both sides will need to compromise for a solution and that is a fact.

    Stop the Nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    inmytree wrote:
    again...

    you've got the "I'm right and since you don't think just like me, you're wrong" thing going...

    breathe...
    again, you're ignoring the point of my post and just accusing me of having a big ego. I could care less about petty insults, atleast address the topic. why do you think both sides are equal, or close to being equal?
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Where did I ever say anything about equal?

    I simply stated that it showed both sides were in the wrong...I'm not passing out judgements in how wrong...you are.
    saying "both sides are wrong" and leaving it at that.. like I said before (this happens way too often)... is the same as comparing the sides. like it or not, that's how the context of the sentence is.

    you can't waste your time trying to blame both sides. I don't even care about blaming Israel for anything else, but not agreeing that they're currently illegally occupying land, and must withdraw in order for peace to occur, is ridiculous.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Stop the Nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
    now you're getting it ;)
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    again, you're ignoring the point of my post and just accusing me of having a big ego. I could care less about petty insults, atleast address the topic. why do you think both sides are equal, or close to being equal?

    see post 55 and 57....
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    inmytree wrote:
    see post 55 and 57....
    because death is death?

    I guess 4000 Americans=1 million Iraqis dead then? Cause death is death right? And all those Palestinians=the Israelis killed? Cause death is death?

    As long as palestinians kill atleast 1 Israeli, I guess the Israelis can kill tons more Palestinians.

    :rolleyes:
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    because death is death?

    I guess 4000 Americans=1 million Iraqis dead then? Cause death is death right? And all those Palestinians=the Israelis killed? Cause death is death?

    As long as palestinians kill atleast 1 Israeli, I guess the Israelis can kill tons more Palestinians.

    :rolleyes:

    well, you convinced me...

    Death is not death...some people are only kinda dead when they are buried and their families only miss them a 75% of the time as opposed to 100%...
  • Its Evolution Baby
    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    _outlaw wrote:
    No, that's not right.

    The Israelis are not willing to compromise at all. They have never offered to compromise at all... which is why they are currently occupying stolen land, and causing humanitarian crises all over the country. The violence is instigated by Israel much of the time as well.

    Blaming the Palestinians for not "willing to compromise", thus blaming the violence on them is not right. The Israelis have been incredibly violent over the past 70 years atleast. These Palestinian "terror attacks" that you see on TV did not really begin until 30 years after the occupation.

    So the solution is????

    Why should Israel compromise if they are the ruling power? Even if it is the right thing to do doesn't mean that they will be willing to do so. That is why like it or not the Palestinians will have to lay down there arms before there will be peace in the region.

    And once they do and Israel still doesn't grant them there own state then the US will have to intervene and spearhead the peace talks.

    I'm afraid that the Palestinians have to many different political factions that it will be hard for them to unify themselves to ever get to this point.

    I'm no fan of Israel myself but I also am not blinded to the atrocities the the Palestinians have perpetrated on the Israelis. Two wrongs don't make a right and if you don't like something don't you do it two both apply here.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    here is a death count ratio from 2007

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/01/israelandthepalestinians.international

    Israeli: 13
    Palestinian: 373
    Ratio: 29 to 1

    That was in 2007 in a year of relative calm.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    polaris wrote:
    here is a death count ratio from 2007

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/01/israelandthepalestinians.international

    Israeli: 13
    Palestinian: 373
    Ratio: 29 to 1

    That was in 2007 in a year of relative calm.
    http://rememberthesechildren.org/remember2000.html

    Israeli children since 2000: 123
    Palestinian children since '00: 1047
    Ratio: 9 to 1
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    Why should Israel compromise if they are the ruling power?
    That's exactly why they should compromise. They are the upper hand in an illegal occupation.
    Even if it is the right thing to do doesn't mean that they will be willing to do so.
    which is why we must force our country to apply pressure to them- something our lord and savior Barack Obama won't do.
    That is why like it or not the Palestinians will have to lay down there arms before there will be peace in the region.
    They didn't pick up arms until the early 90s, but there was never peace in the region- that's because Israel is the aggressor, not Palestine.
    And once they do and Israel still doesn't grant them there own state then the US will have to intervene and spearhead the peace talks.
    where have you been the last 70 years when Israel has been committing several, ILLEGAL atrocities against the Palestinians, where the U.S. would do nothing, or atleast veto UN resolutions. why shouldn't the U.S. intervene NOW? there's an illegal occupation going on, and a humanitarian crisis taking place, why do you not think the U.S. should do something now?
    I'm afraid that the Palestinians have to many different political factions that it will be hard for them to unify themselves to ever get to this point.
    If Israel were to withdraw from the occupied territories, all the Palestinian factions, including Hamas, would be willing to talk to Israel, which would unify them- thus solve another problem.
    I'm no fan of Israel myself but I also am not blinded to the atrocities the the Palestinians have perpetrated on the Israelis. Two wrongs don't make a right and if you don't like something don't you do it two both apply here.
    You are, however, blinded by these Palestinian atrocities that you ignore the fact that Israel is the aggressor and occupier and is the root of this problem. In order to solve a problem completely, you must go to the root of the problem. Palestinian violence is NOT the root of the problem, which makes it pretty irrelevant.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    NoK wrote:
    How about this then..

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/jul/21/palestinianshooting


    or this

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=206905
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    3inputchick wrote:
    They are instigators


    Let me see if I got this straight......

    Israelies invaded and occupied Palestine.

    They have broken over one hundred UN and International laws by routinely expanding their terroritory beyond what was originally agreed upon; in a violent and murderous manner.

    Israelies have cut the Palestinians off from just about all natural resources except....you know....the air they breathe.


    And the Palestinians are the instigators?

    Okay, just wanted to get that straight.

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