Israeli settlers spray chemicals on Palestinian farmers while attacking them

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    Why am I kidding? What did I say that was so off base? Is it the fact that I don't care who's right and wrong any more? Is it the fact that you quoted from an Arabic paper and that I question there bias?

    Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make your opinion any more correct.

    And no it didn't say they were Pepper Sprayed but it was a fair comparison as they were sprayed in the eyes that caused a burning sensation...like pepper spray.

    It's such a regular and documented occurrence in that region that's why.

    Whatever they were sprayed with was still burning their skin the next day apparently.
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Both sides are to blame. The solution begins by loosening the death grip held firmly in place by the upper hand.

    How can there be balance when there is clearly an unbalance is my take...


    I agree.

    The solution has to begin, there.

    The Palestinians are struggling hour-to-hour, meal-to-meal......day-today just to meet basic needs. Israel keeps destroying anything related to their basic resources.

    It has to begin with Israel giving Palestine back their resources.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    NMyTree wrote:
    It has to begin with Israel giving Palestine back their resources.
    Thank you.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    I wonder if the "chemical" was smuggled out of eastern Europe once upon a time?
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    I'm sure everyone is aware that Palestinians are not welcome in other Arab countries...right...?

    I just share this to add to the discussion...everyone says Israel this and Palestine that...I believe both sides want this conflict and both are to blame, but...I'd be will to bet Palestine would be better of if their neighbors would be more supportive...

    In Lebanon they are not allowed to own property or have access to healthcare...

    Jordan has restricted entry of Palestinians from the West Bank into its territory...

    Hundreds of Palestinians were evicted from their homes by Iraqi landlords following the fall of Saddam Hussein

    Just something to think about....
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    inmytree wrote:
    I'm sure everyone is aware that Palestinians are not welcome in other Arab countries...right...?

    I just share this to add to the discussion...everyone says Israel this and Palestine that...I believe both sides want this conflict and both are to blame, but...I'd be will to bet Palestine would be better of if their neighbors would be more supportive...

    In Lebanon they are not allowed to own property or have access to healthcare...

    Jordan has restricted entry of Palestinians from the West Bank into its territory...

    Hundreds of Palestinians were evicted from their homes by Iraqi landlords following the fall of Saddam Hussein

    Just something to think about....
    Yes, this is true, and I agree with you. The surrounding Arab countries have not been helpful. But, you know, you still have to go to the root of the problem. Why would they need help in the first place??
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    inmytree wrote:
    I'm sure everyone is aware that Palestinians are not welcome in other Arab countries...right...?

    I just share this to add to the discussion...everyone says Israel this and Palestine that...I believe both sides want this conflict and both are to blame, but...I'd be will to bet Palestine would be better of if their neighbors would be more supportive...

    In Lebanon they are not allowed to own property or have access to healthcare...

    Jordan has restricted entry of Palestinians from the West Bank into its territory...

    Hundreds of Palestinians were evicted from their homes by Iraqi landlords following the fall of Saddam Hussein

    Just something to think about....


    They're probably thinking if they're seen as helping them, they get put on the short list of who to bomb next..

    kinda like taking a dump as far away from the campsite as possible...
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    Just want to point out the article comes from an Arabic source.

    Not saying it didn't happen but if you look at the source headline about an Occupied Iraq you know this is an Anti-American/Anti-Israel publication.

    I would like to see different sources on this incident.

    Even so the point is that minor incidents like two farmers going to the hospital for pepper spray will never be national news. These incidents happen in the US and go unreported.

    However if the Palestinians respond with a suicide attack or a market killing then that will be national news, and there message will be lost. Both sides will need to lay down there arms to truly reach peace. Picking sides as to who's right and wrong doesn't accomplish anything and they violence will keep going in the region.


    How about this then..

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/jul/21/palestinianshooting
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    NoK wrote:
    How about this then..

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/jul/21/palestinianshooting

    this is the shit that happens daily over there ...
  • 3inputchick
    3inputchick Posts: 845
    Israel has the right to defend itself.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    3inputchick wrote:
    Israel has the right to defend itself.

    do the palestinians?
  • 3inputchick
    3inputchick Posts: 845
    polaris wrote:
    do the palestinians?

    They are instigators
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    it's interesting ... i've been reading/posting on the MT for like 5 years now maybe? ... and in the beginning - it used to be israel vs. palestine; right vs. left ... but over the years - either all the hardcore israeli supporters have left the band/board or there has definitely been an evolution ...

    most of the threads these days are about who is MORE to blame ... ie that there are no longer that many people who think israel is innocent ...

    anyhoo - 3inputchick ... i'm sure you have your reasons for believing what you do but if you have the conviction - i hope you stay in this thread and try and convince everyone who has posted in it already that palestinians are the instigators ...
  • 3inputchick
    3inputchick Posts: 845
    polaris wrote:
    it's interesting ... i've been reading/posting on the MT for like 5 years now maybe? ... and in the beginning - it used to be israel vs. palestine; right vs. left ... but over the years - either all the hardcore israeli supporters have left the band/board or there has definitely been an evolution ...

    most of the threads these days are about who is MORE to blame ... ie that there are no longer that many people who think israel is innocent ...

    anyhoo - 3inputchick ... i'm sure you have your reasons for believing what you do but if you have the conviction - i hope you stay in this thread and try and convince everyone who has posted in it already that palestinians are the instigators ...
    lol... we both know thats not happening- they get angry and start name calling.
    I'm ok with that- being right is not always being popular.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    3inputchick wrote:
    lol... we both know thats not happening- they get angry and start name calling.
    I'm ok with that- being right is not always being popular.

    c'mon throw us a bone ... give us some proof ... :)
  • Nevermind
    Nevermind Posts: 1,006
    Im glad to hear ethnic cleansing is the right way to deal with the Palestinians. ive never liked them much anyways.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    3inputchick wrote:
    lol... we both know thats not happening- they get angry and start name calling.
    I'm ok with that- being right is not always being popular.
    if you're ok with that, then why don't you prove that palestinians are the instigators, rather than make unsubstantial claims ?? :confused:
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    while a ceasefire is in place?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7524927.stm
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    See this is what I don't get about some of you posters. You have an opinion based on a specific set of facts... doesn't make you correct, but it's your opinion. If others disagree, you debate, argue, etc. But instead of leaving well enough alone, you must post a 101 links, stories, etc each day, to try and say, hey look - i'm right, this is how it is. This is a message board, people have their opinions (whether correct or not), you may broaden someone's vantage point or get them to atleast see the vaults in their logic, rational or opinion, but you're not going to actually change their opinion. So why is it necessary to beat a dead horse?
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    FiveB247x wrote:
    See this is what I don't get about some of you posters. You have an opinion based on a specific set of facts... doesn't make you correct, but it's your opinion. If others disagree, you debate, argue, etc. But instead of leaving well enough alone, you must post a 101 links, stories, etc each day, to try and say, hey look - i'm right, this is how it is. This is a message board, people have their opinions (whether correct or not), you may broaden someone's vantage point or get them to atleast see the vaults in their logic, rational or opinion, but you're not going to actually change their opinion. So why is it necessary to beat a dead horse?
    People have their opinions, and that's fine, but it is possible for people to become educated when we post links to factual things going on that, I assume, most people don't know about.

    and what would you rather us do? stand by while the Israelis torture the Palestinians? that may be fine for you.

    EDIT: shit, before you attack me for it, I don't mean people with their opinions different than mine AREN'T educated, I meant educated about these SPECIFIC things going on in the occupied territories... maybe 'more informed' would be a better thing to say, but you get my point. :p

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