North American Union Protests coming up in the next few days

godpt3

you know, this is the same Trilateral conspiracy bullshit that was debunked 30 years ago... only this time it's wearing a different colored tin-foil hat.

not4u

I am not proud to be a Canadian and i wish for the best.
How can Bush and Harper love GOD so much when they more represent Evil http://www.thefreedictionary.com/evil. I can see it in thier faces even before i can pretdict thier actons. Auras Speak Volumes and body launguage never lies. Bush was not legally elected he won becuase Kerry backed out making his illegal election legal (Ohio anyone??) and from what i scene in the energies of the air Harper's victory was due to planted stratigical voters in certain areas (thats a crazy notion, but i feel it. Also the sponsorship scandal - I'd Rather have the sponsorship scandal than this globalist encroachment Canada is getting into by becoming more involved in the American Military-Industrial class and George Bush's War on Terror - THANKS HARPER YOU FUCK!) and i've heard Mexico's PM was just like a Bush Election. Get ready to watch the world Die. Like i said, i wish for the best.
Harper?,Alberta?, - Go Fuck Yourself, Democracy RULES!
We're really gunna have to start fighting for Democracy before we 'REALLY' have to start fighting for it, before we become destroyed by it with our tolerance towards Evil 'so-called' elected leaders....either way through mass population the devil gets his way - we're all fuckt.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-xYeuzG24mo

Truthmonger

jlew24asu wrote:

this would be doing you and your economy a favor.

Who's doing who(m?) the favour ? Canada is an energy giant, and this will undoubtedly be a factor as it relates to the potential meshing of economies. Canada is the U.S.'s largest supplier of oil. It is also one of the largest suppliers of natural gas. It is Canada that already provides the U.S. with uranium. And where do you think much of America's water will be coming from in the years and decades ahead ? Mexico ? ....ppffffft.

And thats saying nothing about huge supplies of hydro electricity that come from Canada. There is no one else on the North Americxan Power Grid - its Canada and the U.S.. Mexico is not part of it.

Now, don't you think the U.S. is aware of the fact that it is already short on many of these things, or soon to be ?

DriftingByTheStorm

godpt3 wrote:

you know, this is the same Trilateral conspiracy bullshit that was debunked 30 years ago... only this time it's wearing a different colored tin-foil hat.

can you elaborate on that for me?

it seems VERY real to me.

also,
i'd like to know how and where the "Trilateral conspiracy bullshit" was debunked and why you think shit like the trilateral commsion, the bilderberg summits, and the cfr are "bening" and for the benefit of the people.

To me they are all very real, very much aligned with best interests of a super elite power mongering jet set, and very much in control of many aspects of the world and the agenda set for said world.

why do you say it is conspiracy bullshit.
it happens. it is documented.
and the players are all super rich businesmen with THEIR OWN BEST INTERESTS in mind, not yours, or mine ... and certainly not those living below the poverty level.

they could give two shits about you or me, save for the fact that we live long enough to make them even richer while slaving away for an ever decreasingly valued dollar, in a world with ever inflating prices, while our real wages continue to stagnate and even decline, at the same time that they are expanding their pockets to ever increasing depths.

did you know that the average salary of a CEO 20 years ago was something like 40 times the pay of your average american staff employee, while today that discrepancy is over FOUR HUNDERD times more?
(i can give you the sitation if you doubt me)

Even their salaries have increased ten times over, while our real wages our actually SHRINKING!

what is there to debunk?

:(

RolandTD20Kdrummer

godpt3 wrote:

you know, this is the same Trilateral conspiracy bullshit that was debunked 30 years ago... only this time it's wearing a different colored tin-foil hat.

Honestly what rock are you hiding under? I can't believe anyone could be as dumb as you're pretending to be about this...

Einstein I posted a CBC link...that's as mainstream as it can possibly get!.

If you;re not going to click on any of my links, than you should refrain to avoid looking like a total idiot...

DriftingByTheStorm

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Honestly what rock are you hiding under? I can't believe anyone could be as dumb as you're pretending to be about this...

seriously, there are only two people on this board that we seem to "go up against" on a regular basis.

Jlew, and Godpt3.

I know where Jlew stands ... square in the middle of complete, utter, shackled, unshatterable denial of any and all negative goings on in this world ...

godpt3 seems to have moments of relative brilliance, followed almost immediately sometimes by absolute dumbfounding ignorance.

how can you "debunk" shit like this:

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination practiced in past centuries.” ~David Rockefeller address to Trilateral Commission meeting, June 1991.


WHAT THE FUCK?

HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU DENY THAT SHIT !?!?!

That is documented shit right there!
jesus christ!

DEBUNKED !?!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

seriously, there are only two people on this board that we seem to "go up against" on a regular basis.

Jlew, and Godpt3.

I know where Jlew stands ... square in the middle of complete, utter, shackled, unshatterable denial of any and all negative goings on in this world ...

godpt3 seems to have moments of relative brilliance, followed almost immediately sometimes by absolute dumbfounding ignorance.

how can you "debunk" shit like this:

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination practiced in past centuries.” ~David Rockefeller address to Trilateral Commission meeting, June 1991.


WHAT THE FUCK?

HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU DENY THAT SHIT !?!?!

That is documented shit right there!
jesus christ!

DEBUNKED !?!

Broken up in the head I imagine...unless it's on purpose just to argue, harass, and call names...either way...

sad...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Connie Making sense as always...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1423048425357282639&hl=en-CA

g under p

Canada's Sovereignty in Jeopardy: the Militarization of North America
by Michel Chossudovsky

Have you read this, who will be in charge?

Peace

not4u

g under p wrote:

Canada's Sovereignty in Jeopardy: the Militarization of North America
by Michel Chossudovsky

Have you read this, who will be in charge?

Peace

this is far too much trust to put into a Nation that is ruled by Liers and Corporate Undemocratic GREED sluts.
i hate stephen harper. i hate him. I fuckin' knew it.
He's starting to wipe out Canada and his own goddamned job (soon to be run by corporations with ahellovalota controll from behind the scenes). I knew it, All you have to do is look at this man - He's a fucking dirty tootles horny gargoyle. Everyone touched by him is Damned, especially Canada....fuck.
Oh Well, I guess it was destined to happen... its time for us to pay for our population sloth ignorance and greed...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QzC1xWX2dIA

RolandTD20Kdrummer

not4u wrote:

this is far too much trust to put into a Nation that is ruled by Liers and Corporate Undemocratic GREED sluts.
i hate stephen harper. i hate him. I fuckin' knew it.
He's starting to wipe out Canada and his own goddamned job. I knew it, All you have to do is look at this man - He's a fucking dirty tootles horny gargoyle. Everyone touched by him is Damned, especially Canada....fuck.
Oh Well, I guess it was destined to happen... its time for us to pay for our population sloth ignorance and greed...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QzC1xWX2dIA

he gives me the freaking willies just looking at him...

http://www.publicdiplomacy.gc.ca/site/resource/poliPhoto/S_Harper_high.jpg
http://londoncommons.net/files/images/harpersopenmouth.jpg
http://politiquevert.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/protestharper.jpg (lol..)

not4u

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

he gives me the freaking willies just looking at him...

http://www.publicdiplomacy.gc.ca/site/resource/poliPhoto/S_Harper_high.jpg
http://londoncommons.net/files/images/harpersopenmouth.jpg
http://politiquevert.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/protestharper.jpg (lol..)

he must have been a weasel in a different life lol, or maybe he's a clone put together like frankenstien lol

spiral out

not4u wrote:

this is far too much trust to put into a Nation that is ruled by Liers and Corporate Undemocratic GREED sluts.
i hate stephen harper. i hate him. I fuckin' knew it.
He's starting to wipe out Canada and his own goddamned job. I knew it, All you have to do is look at this man - He's a fucking dirty tootles horny gargoyle. Everyone touched by him is Damned, especially Canada....fuck.
Oh Well, I guess it was destined to happen... its time for us to pay for our population sloth ignorance and greed...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QzC1xWX2dIA

You could always think about leaving canada, once the shit hits the fan.

Hell i was planning on moving there in a few years time, because i don't like the way the UK is heading up America's arse, but that idea has gone out the window now as canada will likey be worse than the UK ever will, so it's back to the drawing board. Australia is out for the same reaon. Maybe New Zeland is the only place left.

bonaneas

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18207.htm

Canada's Sovereignty in Jeopardy: the Militarization of North America

By Michel Chossudovsky

08/18/07 "Global Research" -- -- Canadian jurisdiction over its Northern territories was redefined, following an April 2002 military agreement between Ottawa and Washington. This agreement allows for the deployment of US troops anywhere in Canada, as well as the stationing of US warships in Canada's territorial waters.

Following the creation of US Northern Command in April 2002, Washington announced unilaterally that NORTHCOM's territorial jurisdiction (land, sea, air) extended from the Caribbean basin to the Canadian arctic territories.

"The new command was given responsibility for the continental United States, Canada, Mexico, portions of the Caribbean and the contiguous waters in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans up to 500 miles off the North American coastline. NorthCom's mandate is to "provide a necessary focus for [continental] aerospace, land and sea defenses, and critical support for [the] nation’s civil authorities in times of national need."

(Canada-US Relations - Defense Partnership – July 2003, Canadian American Strategic Review (CASR), http://www.sfu.ca/casr/ft-lagasse1.htm

NORTHCOM's stated mandate was to "provide a necessary focus for [continental] aerospace, land and sea defenses, and critical support for [the] nation’s [US] civil authorities in times of national need."

(Canada-US Relations - Defense Partnership – July 2003, Canadian American Strategic Review (CASR),
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/ft-lagasse1.htm)

Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld boasted that "the NORTHCOM – with all of North America as its geographic command – 'is part of the greatest transformation of the Unified Command Plan [UCP] since its inception in 1947.'" (Ibid)

Canada and US Northern Command

In December 2002, following the refusal of (former) Prime Minister Jean Chrétien to join US Northern Command (NORTHCOM), an interim bi-national military authority entitled the Binational Planning Group (BPG) was established.

Canadian membership in NORTHCOM would have implied the integration of Canada's military command structures with those of the US. That option had been temporarily deferred by the Chrétien government, through the creation of the Binational Planning Group (BPG).

The BPG's formal mandate in 2002 was to extend the jurisdiction of the US-Canada North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) to cover sea, land and "civil forces",

"to improve current Canada–United States arrangements to defend against primarily maritime threats to the continent and respond to land-based attacks, should they occur."

Although never acknowledged in official documents, the BPG was in fact established to prepare for the merger of NORAD and NORTHCOM, thereby creating de facto conditions for Canada to join US Northern Command.

The "Group" described as an "independent" military authority was integrated from the outset in December 2002 into the command structures of NORAD and NORTHCOM, both operating out the same headquarters at the Paterson Air Force base in Colorado. In practice, the "Group" functioned under the jurisdiction of US Northern Command, which is controlled by the US Department of Defense.

In December 2004, in the context of President Bush's visit to Ottawa, it was agreed that the mandate of the BPG would be extended to May 2006. It was understood that this extension was intended to set the stage for Canada's membership in NORTHCOM.

In March 2006, two months before the end of its mandate, the BPG published a task force document on North American security issues:

"'A continental approach' to defense and security could facilitate binational maritime domain awareness and a combined response to potential threats, 'which transcends Canadian and U.S. borders, domains, defense and security departments and agencies,' (quoted in Homeland Defense watch, 20 July 2006)

The BPG task force report called for the establishment of a "maritime mission" for NORAD including a maritime warning system. The report acted as a blueprint for the renegotiation of NORAD, which was implemented immediately following the release of the report.

On April 28, 2006, an agreement negotiated behind closed doors was signed between the US and Canada.

The renewed NORAD agreement was signed in Ottawa by the US ambassador and the Canadian Minister of Defense Gordon O'Connor, without prior debate in the Canadian Parliament. The House of Commons was allowed to rubberstamp a fait accompli, an agreement which had already been signed by the two governments.

"'A continental approach to defense and security could facilitate binational maritime domain awareness and a combined response to potential threats, "which transcends Canadian and U.S. borders, domains, defense and security departments and agencies,' the report says." (Homeland Defense Watch, May 8, 2006)

While NORAD still exists in name, its organizational structure coincides with that of NORTHCOM. Following the April 28, 2006 agreement, in practical terms, NORAD has been merged into USNORTHCOM.

NORTHCOM Commander Gen. Gene Renuart, USAF happens to be Commander of NORAD, Maj. Gen. Paul J. Sullivan who is NORTHCOM Chief of Staff, is Chief of Staff of NORAD.

With a exception of a token Canadian General, who occupies the position of Deputy Commander of NORAD, the leadership of NORAD coincides with that of NORTHCOM. (See photo gallery below).

These two military authorities are identical in structure, they occupy the same facilities at the Peterson Air Force base in Colorado.

There was no official announcement of the renewed NORAD agreement, which hands over control of Canada's territorial waters to the US, nor was there media coverage of this far-reaching decision.

The Deployment of US Troops on Canadian Soil

At the outset of US Northern Command in April 2002, Canada accepted the right of the US to deploy US troops on Canadian soil.

"U.S. troops could be deployed to Canada and Canadian troops could cross the border into the United States if the continent was attacked by terrorists who do not respect borders, according to an agreement announced by U.S. and Canadian officials." (Edmunton Sun, 11 September 2002)

With the creation of the BPG in December 2002, a binational "Civil Assistance Plan" was established. The latter described the precise "conditions for deploying U.S. troops in Canada, or vice versa, in the aftermath of a terrorist attack or natural disaster." (quoted in Inside the Army, 5 September 2005).

Canadian Sovereignty

In August 2006, the US State Department confirmed that a new NORAD Agreement had entered into force, while emphasizing that "the maritime domain awareness component was of 'indefinite duration,' albeit subject to periodic review." (US Federal News, 1 August 2006). In March 2007, the US Senate Armed Services Committee confirmed that the NORAD Agreement had been formally renewed, to include a maritime warning system. In Canada, in contrast, there has been a deafening silence.

In Canada, the renewed NORAD agreement went virtually unnoticed. There was no official pronouncement by the Canadian government of Stephen Harper. There was no analysis or commentary of its significance and implications for Canadian territorial sovereignty. The agreement was barely reported by the Canadian media.

Operating under a "North American" emblem (i.e. a North American Command), the US military would have jurisdiction over Canadian territory from coast to coast; extending from the St Laurence Valley to the Queen Elizabeth archipelago in the Canadian Arctic. The agreement would allow for the establishment of "North American" military bases on Canadian territory. From an economic standpoint, it would also integrate the Canadian North, with its vast resources in energy and raw materials, with Alaska.

Ottawa's Military Facility in Resolute Bay

Ottawa's July 2007 decision to establish a military facility in Resolute Bay in the Northwest Passage was not intended to reassert "Canadian sovereignty. In fact quite the opposite. It was established in consultation with Washington. A deep-water port at Nanisivik, on the northern tip of Baffin Island is also envisaged.

The US administration is firmly behind the Canadian government's decision. The latter does not "reassert Canadian sovereignty". Quite the opposite. It is a means to eventually establish US territorial control over Canada's entire Arctic region including its waterways. This territory would eventually fall under the jurisdiction of US Northern Command (NORTHCOM).

The Security and Prosperity Partnership Agreement (SPP)

The Security and Prosperity Partnership Agreement (SPP) signed between the US, Canada and Mexico contemplates the formation of a North American Union (NAU), a territorial dominion, extending from the Caribbean to the Canadian arctic territories.

The SPP is closely related to the Binational Planning Group initiative. An Independent Task Force sponsored by The Council on Foreign Relations calls for the transformation of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) into a "multiservice Defense Command". The CFR document entitled "North American Community" drafted on behalf of the SPP endorses the BPG March 2006 recommendations:

"As recommended in a report of the Canadian-U.S. Joint Planning Group [BPG], NORAD should evolve into a multiservice Defense Command that would expand the principle of Canadian-U.S. joint command to land and naval as well as air forces engaged in defending the approaches to North America. In addition, Canada and the United States should reinforce other bilateral defense institutions, including the Permanent Joint Board on Defense and Joint Planning Group, and invite Mexico to send observers.

(North American Community, Task Force documented sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) together with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales)

The accession of Canada to this Multiservice Defense Command, as recommended by the CFR, has already been established, signed and sealed, approved by the Canadian Parliament in May 2006, in the context of the renewal of the NORAD agreement.

In all likelihood, the formal merging of "the renewed NORAD" and US NORTHCOM will be on the agenda at the August Security and Prosperity Partnership Agreement (SPP) Summit meeting of President Bush, Prime Minister Harper and President Calderon at Montebello, Quebec. This decision would lead to the formation of a US-Canada NORTHCOM, with a new name, but with substantially the same NORTHCOM rhetorical mandate of "defending the Northern American Homeland" against terrorist attacks. The military of both the US and Canada would also be called to play an increasing role in civilian law enforcement activities.

The real objective underlying the SPP is to militarize civilian institutions and repeal democratic government.

"Integration" or the "Annexation" of Canada?

Canada is contiguous to "the center of the empire". Territorial control over Canada is part of the US geopolitical and military agenda. It is worth recalling in this regard, that throughout history, the "conquering nation" has expanded on its immediate borders, acquiring control over contiguous territories.

Military integration is intimately related to the ongoing process of integration in the spheres of trade, finance and investment. Needless to say, a large part of the Canadian economy is already in the hands of US corporate interests. In turn, the interests of big business in Canada tend to coincide with those of the US.

Canada is already a de facto economic protectorate of the USA. NAFTA has not only opened up new avenues for US corporate expansion, it has laid the groundwork under the existing North American umbrella for the post 9/11 integration of military command structures, public security, intelligence and law enforcement.

No doubt, Canada's entry into US Northern Command will be presented to public opinion as part of Canada-US "cooperation", as something which is "in the national interest", which "will create jobs for Canadians", and "will make Canada more secure".

Ultimately what is at stake is that beneath the rhetoric, Canada will cease to function as a Nation:

-Its borders will be controlled by US officials and confidential information on Canadians will be shared with Homeland Security.

-US troops and Special Forces will be able to enter Canada as a result of a binational arrangement.

-Canadian citizens can be arrested by US officials, acting on behalf of their Canadian counterparts and vice versa.

But there is something perhaps even more fundamental in defining and understanding where Canada and Canadians stand as nation.

By endorsing a Canada-US "integration" in the spheres of defense, homeland security, police and intelligence, Canada not remains a full fledged member of George W. Bush's "Coalition of the Willing", it will directly participate, through integrated military command structures, in the US war agenda in Central Asia and the Middle East, including the massacre of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, the torture of POWs, the establishment of concentration camps, etc.

Canada would no longer have an independent foreign policy. Under an integrated North American Command, a North American national security doctrine would be formulated. Canada would be obliged to embrace Washington's pre-emptive military doctrine, its bogus "war on terrorism which is used as a pretext for waging war in the Middle East. .

The Canadian judicial system would be affected. Moreover, binational integration in the areas of Homeland security, immigration, policing of the US-Canada border, not to mention the anti-terrorist legislation, would imply pari passu acceptance of the US sponsored police State, its racist policies, its "ethnic profiling" directed against Muslims, the arbitrary arrest of anti-war activists.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Protests are brewing.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/index.html

RolandTD20Kdrummer

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/features/montebello/story.html?id=7b997d6b-fbbd-4a1d-bc62-de27cb8af7a5

Andrew Thomson, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Monday, August 20, 2007

Montebello, Que. - Protesters went nose to nose with riot police outside the Chateau Montello's main gate Monday afternoon, though more serious violence has so far been avoided.

Numerous scrums and pushing matches erupted between bandanna-clad demonstrators, linked by arm, and Sret du Qubec squads armed with batons, shields and gas masks.

Both sides were trying to hold their ground as North America's leaders arrived at the heavily-fortified resort. The riot squad had earlier prevented Council of Canadians chairwoman Maude Barlow from delivering a 10,000-signature petition to the gate. Council officials claimed this violated a prior arrangement with summit organizers.

Montebello's main roads were closed by police soon after the majority of protesters - estimated at about 1,000 people - arrived at noon Monday. After the petition, being transported on a trolley in three transparent boxes, was halted, a second group of riot police dramatically emerged from a forest pathway leading down to a crypt. They also fanned into the adjacent cemetery.

RCMP officers and dogs watched the tense situation from inside the temporary security fence erected around the hotel. Faced with police resistance, most front-line protesters opted for an impromptu sit-in.

Others began dousing their bandannas with vinegar in anticipation of tear gas attacks. The Council of Canadian and certain other groups pulled back from the front line about 300 metres, for fear of escalation of violence.

not4u

this truley is a meeting of a sith counsil.
Harper is right, 1,000 protesters is SAD, but not as sad as his fuckin being
and bush, get the fuck out of my country take this devious http://www.answers.com/topic/devious conservative party with you
Canada is better than this BULLSHIT.
The thing that kills me is that 2 of these Leaders have been ilegally elected!! SO WHAT GIVES!!!
Let DictatorShip Rein becuase it already is.... its too late. Now i'll await Harpers Ilegal majority, the staged Canadain terrorist attack, the beefed up military and the us/Canadian Draft. It'll all come true - Hidden Agenda? OH FUCK YEA.

-as you can tell im pretty pissed, lol

RolandTD20Kdrummer

http://www.ndp.ca/endp/archives/endp-2007-08-20-en.html

The SPP - Security and Prosperity Partnership - might sound like some obscure bureaucratic summit, but it's not. During two days of meetings, Stephen Harper, George Bush and Felipe Calderon will talk about 'deeply integrating' more than 300 areas - including health, safety, and environmental standards - between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. Canadians could join a race to the bottom and lose the ability to make our own rules on everything from food labels, drug safety, water exports, air quality and immigration, to the military.

Despite the SPP's potential impact on everyday Canadians, we've been kept in the dark and without a say. CEOs have been invited to huddle with the leaders in Montebello but average Canadians and public interest groups are literally being shut out.

The NDP is blowing the whistle on the SPP. The party forced Parliamentary Committee hearings on the SPP in April and is calling for full legislative review, public debate and a parliamentary vote before the SPP goes any further.

Sign the petition, go to a public forum, learn more about the SPP and tell your friends: Canada's future belongs to ordinary Canadians, NOT corporations.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Despite what anyone can say about Alex, he sure does shine a flashlight on all goings on of gov't activity. He doesn't miss a beat.

http://www.infowars.net/articles/august2007/200807SPP.htm

not4u

i guess becuase of the protests we got a real nice oil spill in the orca's playground... a sign they will soon start to poison us.