I'm much more with you than you think. When I see the size and bloated power we've given government it's because we've gladly given over power and responsibility. With every social program we've given over power and responsibility.
From my point of view if you really were for the empowerment of people you'd be chanting for an abolishment of every social program there is. Either you're not doing this or I'm hearing you wrong. But once you want to keep even one social program you are no longer for the empowerment of people. The insistance of social programs comes at the price of individual empowerent and that's the catch-22. When we as a people demanded government do what was and should still be individual responsibility we handed over individual empowerment. You cannot be empowered while relying on government for health care, retirement or jobs.
You are talking about how my view fits in your agenda.
I'm talking about my view/agenda.
I know there's no turning back the social programs, that's reality. So we are stuck with government that continues to grow in power and not necessarily corruption but having it's own agenda. Government that does not dilineate between for the benefit of the government from for the benefit of the people.
There is corruption where we have human beings operating. I'm looking at empowerment, strategy and minimization of fallout through observation, awareness and understanding.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
There is corruption where we have human beings operating. I'm looking at empowerment, strategy and minimization of fallout through observation, awareness and understanding.
But what do you do about the people who just don't care? From your post I believe you said you want to act "for the benefit of the people". But is this how you really want to act when "for the benefit of the people" may not be in Angelica's best interests? If so, why do popose you can work aroung this conundrum while those in power can't?
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I think it can be done better, in a more peaceful fashion.
Maybe I'm just some crazy "old world" hopeless romantic and there's no hope left for us now but to wipe out entire races of people one way or the other to survive.
In order for us to be here the Native Americans had to be cleansed and beaten down into submission. Now we need oil so we cleanse and beat down where we have to go to find it.
I was hoping to get more out of mankind and evolution. I was expecting a kinder gentler world without all the death and suffering.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Maybe I'm just some crazy "old world" hopeless romantic and there's no hope left for us now but to wipe out entire races of people one way or the other to survive.
How is NAU going to lead to the wiping out of entire races of people? I can follow and appreciate your concern over the implementation of the NAU but I fail to see how it leads to the wiping out of entire races of people.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
How is NAU going to lead to the wiping out of entire races of people? I can follow and appreciate your concern over the implementation of the NAU but I fail to see how it leads to the wiping out of entire races of people.
The NAU spreads the just recently shredded American constitution, patriot acts 1,2 and everything else in the name of any and all "opposition" I mean terrorism.
First off it obliterates 2 countries and everything they have stood for, and ever were, up until this point. All the laws, rights to privacy and everything the countries were before from an operational perspective, will now be gone. So it homogenizes the entire continent under one form of singularity or rule. It's a death blow to cultural diversity and uniqueness in North America. It will progress truly into a singular entity over time. You have to look about 10-20 years down the road past it's inception. And they want their hooks into the banks let me tell you. Obviously....it's the first thing on the list at all the meetings I can guarantee it.
Make no mistake Canada, US, and Mexico will be ghosts of the past as time goes on if this goes through. Follow any takeover of any business. I've weathered 2 of them. First they say they aren't going to change anything. Next thing you know they got you upside down chanting their daily mantra's after all the previous heads have been chopped off and have rolled away into memory This is how it works.
War the in middle east will remain persistent and cleansing. Breaking the will of those peoples to protect their own land. The occupation is only creating conflict. Those in power know it (obviously)...and choose to disregard it. People cry: "It's only creating more terrorism" they reply: "no it's not...we need more troops...more war....hoo-ha" *thumps chest*
There are invisible people to hunt down and to kill now, and new ones are born all the time.
All forms of resistance is now terrorism. The supreme power has "reactions" to "react" against and eliminate from existence in an endless cycle until one is exterminated and the victor remains.
Much blood will be shed. Cheney has gone on public record to say the wars to fight in the middle east will go on for a long....long time long after our lifetimes.
It makes perfect sense what they are doing once you understand it. Eliminate the opposition at all costs both home and abroad. Spy on people, no fair trials, anyone can be the enemy, with us or against us, if you're deemed a terrorist, they can even torture a confession out of you, the list goes on and on...and on...the stripping away citizens rights....all new laws enacted in the past few years since 9/11 to clamp down on everything. False flag...look the other way..incompetent...whatever you want to call it. There was a grain of purpose and intent not pure naivety.
Yet so many are not alarmed, because they want to feel "safe". Safe from what? If we spent a fraction of the time promoting peace in the media instead promoting fear and hate all of this wouldn't be necessary. How much oil could 500 billion buy?
The heart of it is really there in my signature.
choose the pill: peace v.s. war....ying v.s. yang.... love v.s. hate
Since the dawn of time.. it's decision we all have to make.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The NAU spreads the just recently shredded American constitution, patriot acts 1,2 and everything else in the name of any and all "opposition" I mean terrorism.
First off it obliterates 2 countries and everything they have stood for, and ever were, up until this point. All the laws, rights to privacy and everything the countries were before from an operational perspective, will now be gone. So it homogenizes the entire continent under one form of singularity or rule. It's a death blow to cultural diversity and uniqueness in North America. It will progress truly into a singular entity over time. You have to look about 10-20 years down the road past it's inception. And they want their hooks into the banks let me tell you. Obviously....it's the first thing on the list at all the meetings I can guarantee it.
you know, I keep expecting you to spontaneously burst into flames while running away screaming.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
right...so insulting Roland is "the truth"...... it certainly points to a truth...that you don't have a reasonable argument. Afterall, we don't save our best arguments for a "rainy day".
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Why in the hell would you willingly move to a prison populated almost entirely by Australians and Canadians? You can't be as insane as the majority of this board know1.
You're right! That was a weak moment for me and I wasn't thinking straight. Obviously Australia wouldn't be nearly as desirable with all those Canadians there!
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
right...so insulting Roland is "the truth"...... it certainly points to a truth...that you don't have a reasonable argument. Afterall, we don't save our best arguments for a "rainy day".
You know, I've debated some of the top debating minds in the country in my day. Your friend is what we used to call a "squirrel." Someone whose beliefs were so screwy, so off the wall, that the only defense was to point out the painfully obvious.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
You know, I've debated some of the top debating minds in the country in my day. Your friend is what we used to call a "squirrel." Someone whose beliefs were so screwy, so off the wall, that the only defense was to point out the painfully obvious.
If you cannot understand the point of view of another, that is about you. The defense you use--the insult, again, as I said--lies fully in your lack of a reasoned response. You define your own behaviour. No one else does.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
choose the pill: peace v.s. war....ying v.s. yang.... love v.s. hate
Since the dawn of time.. it's decision we all have to make.
Why has all this loss of sovereign countries not happened in the EU? England is still England, France has not gone away, even the smaller countries have maintained their uniqueness.
You've mentioned that EU was the first experiment fo rthis 50 years ago. Yet they don't get embroiled in the ongoing wars in the middle east. I wonder why you think they can stay out but Canada would not be able to. I think you do a disservice to just about everyone by seemingly acting as if we are Jews happily going to the gas chambers. I get the impression that you think if someone does not react to the news in the same manner as you that they either uneducated on the subject, don't care or are stupid. Sorry but I find that insulting.
The NAU is inevitable. It's the UN on a more limited scope. NATO for trade purposes. Yes, it will mean change but I don't see the change as near perpetual war. A world with less borders is a good thing.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
If you cannot understand the point of view of another, that is about you. The defense you use--the insult, again, as I said--lies fully in your lack of a reasoned response. You define your own behaviour. No one else does.
The problem arises when the other individual does not have a valid, logical point of view. Should I simply accept someone who says the sky is green, when I can clearly see that it is blue and understand the science behind why it is blue?
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
You're right! That was a weak moment for me and I wasn't thinking straight. Obviously Australia wouldn't be nearly as desirable with all those Canadians there!
Good beer, good surfing, and the accents some of those ladies have are three mighty fine reasons to me.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
The problem arises when the other individual does not have a valid, logical point of view. Should I simply accept someone who says the sky is green, when I can clearly see that it is blue and understand the science behind why it is blue?
I completely understand if what Roland says completely rubs you the wrong way and opposes what you see and believe. I support that 100%. That means you have two different points of view. Can you accept an opposing viewpoint? Can you debate that fairly, in an above board manner?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I completely understand if what Roland says completely rubs you the wrong way and opposes what you see and believe. I support that 100%. That means you have two different points of view. Can you accept an opposing viewpoint? Can you debate that fairly, in an above board manner?
I'm quite willing to see a different point of view, but I reserve the right to call anyone who claims the sky is green an idiot
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
Would you like this inevitable happening to happen on the terms of a few politicians, or on the terms of the majority, as in a true democracy?
On the best terms possible given according to my benefit. I won't presume that anything I'm doing is for the benefit of the people, my ego's just not that big.
My radar goes off when I hear mention of 'terms of the majority' given that just about every country has a Bill of Rights type document to save people from the 'terms of the majority', including Canada.
I think the NAU and changes it will bring will all be quite boring. We live in a country where one province has not signed our constitution but we are still a country. We live in a country that willfully turns a blind eye to a one province denying people their basic rights of language. But still our country goes on. Should the NAU turn out badly I have full faith that we will once again turn a blind eye and our country will still go on.
Sorry but it's hard to get me riled up about possible future injustices when we refuse to address current injustices. Look at Quebec, look at Darfur, look at the continent of Africa. If the NAU goes sideways it's just a bit of karma from my point of view.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Let's talk burden of proof: If Roland is going to claim the NWO (or any one of the other fanatical claims), I would expect some concrete evidence besides, "the guy next door to me at the asylum says it's true." But until he produces that...
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
I'm quite willing to see a different point of view, but I reserve the right to call anyone who claims the sky is green an idiot
Therein lies the flaw.
If you think you are better than someone, or more "right", and you are skipping the stage of proving it, and then you go on and justify demeaning them....you are demeaning a human being.
How can you excuse that? You can't. You cannot even prove they are wrong because you do not have a reasoned argument. All you are proving is that you disagree and that you are unable to prove that you are accurate.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
you know, I keep expecting you to spontaneously burst into flames while running away screaming.
Sorry to disappoint you...do try to have something to say other than utter uselessness.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
My radar goes off when I hear mention of 'terms of the majority'
Do you realize this union stuff is happening outside of the political scope? It is happening on the outside of "Canada" technically agreeing. Therefore it is happening outside any democratic process.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
See, that's the beauty of the burden. I don't have to prove they're wrong. They have to prove they're right.
You've made numerous assertions that you cannot prove: ie: Roland's idiocy, craziness, etc. You don't have the power to prove your own point, so you are trying to make the other guy small so you appear bigger. It doesn't work, except in your own mind.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You know, I've debated some of the top debating minds in the country in my day. Your friend is what we used to call a "squirrel." Someone whose beliefs were so screwy, so off the wall, that the only defense was to point out the painfully obvious.
Well all I see are repetitive and pithy jerk off comments that 10 year old could make, so I highly doubt the "Oh I'm the top of the game big world talker.."
No offense, but gmab...what utter bullshit.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Good beer, good surfing, and the accents some of those ladies have are three mighty fine reasons to me.
topic integrity please...thanks.This site has PM
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Comments
I'm talking about my view/agenda.
There is corruption where we have human beings operating. I'm looking at empowerment, strategy and minimization of fallout through observation, awareness and understanding.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Maybe I'm just some crazy "old world" hopeless romantic and there's no hope left for us now but to wipe out entire races of people one way or the other to survive.
In order for us to be here the Native Americans had to be cleansed and beaten down into submission. Now we need oil so we cleanse and beat down where we have to go to find it.
I was hoping to get more out of mankind and evolution. I was expecting a kinder gentler world without all the death and suffering.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
The NAU spreads the just recently shredded American constitution, patriot acts 1,2 and everything else in the name of any and all "opposition" I mean terrorism.
First off it obliterates 2 countries and everything they have stood for, and ever were, up until this point. All the laws, rights to privacy and everything the countries were before from an operational perspective, will now be gone. So it homogenizes the entire continent under one form of singularity or rule. It's a death blow to cultural diversity and uniqueness in North America. It will progress truly into a singular entity over time. You have to look about 10-20 years down the road past it's inception. And they want their hooks into the banks let me tell you. Obviously....it's the first thing on the list at all the meetings I can guarantee it.
Make no mistake Canada, US, and Mexico will be ghosts of the past as time goes on if this goes through. Follow any takeover of any business. I've weathered 2 of them. First they say they aren't going to change anything. Next thing you know they got you upside down chanting their daily mantra's after all the previous heads have been chopped off and have rolled away into memory This is how it works.
War the in middle east will remain persistent and cleansing. Breaking the will of those peoples to protect their own land. The occupation is only creating conflict. Those in power know it (obviously)...and choose to disregard it. People cry: "It's only creating more terrorism" they reply: "no it's not...we need more troops...more war....hoo-ha" *thumps chest*
There are invisible people to hunt down and to kill now, and new ones are born all the time.
All forms of resistance is now terrorism. The supreme power has "reactions" to "react" against and eliminate from existence in an endless cycle until one is exterminated and the victor remains.
Much blood will be shed. Cheney has gone on public record to say the wars to fight in the middle east will go on for a long....long time long after our lifetimes.
It makes perfect sense what they are doing once you understand it. Eliminate the opposition at all costs both home and abroad. Spy on people, no fair trials, anyone can be the enemy, with us or against us, if you're deemed a terrorist, they can even torture a confession out of you, the list goes on and on...and on...the stripping away citizens rights....all new laws enacted in the past few years since 9/11 to clamp down on everything. False flag...look the other way..incompetent...whatever you want to call it. There was a grain of purpose and intent not pure naivety.
Yet so many are not alarmed, because they want to feel "safe". Safe from what? If we spent a fraction of the time promoting peace in the media instead promoting fear and hate all of this wouldn't be necessary. How much oil could 500 billion buy?
The heart of it is really there in my signature.
choose the pill: peace v.s. war....ying v.s. yang.... love v.s. hate
Since the dawn of time.. it's decision we all have to make.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
you know, I keep expecting you to spontaneously burst into flames while running away screaming.
—Dorothy Parker
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http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
The truth is NEVER an insult.
—Dorothy Parker
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http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
You're right! That was a weak moment for me and I wasn't thinking straight. Obviously Australia wouldn't be nearly as desirable with all those Canadians there!
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
You know, I've debated some of the top debating minds in the country in my day. Your friend is what we used to call a "squirrel." Someone whose beliefs were so screwy, so off the wall, that the only defense was to point out the painfully obvious.
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
You've mentioned that EU was the first experiment fo rthis 50 years ago. Yet they don't get embroiled in the ongoing wars in the middle east. I wonder why you think they can stay out but Canada would not be able to. I think you do a disservice to just about everyone by seemingly acting as if we are Jews happily going to the gas chambers. I get the impression that you think if someone does not react to the news in the same manner as you that they either uneducated on the subject, don't care or are stupid. Sorry but I find that insulting.
The NAU is inevitable. It's the UN on a more limited scope. NATO for trade purposes. Yes, it will mean change but I don't see the change as near perpetual war. A world with less borders is a good thing.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
The problem arises when the other individual does not have a valid, logical point of view. Should I simply accept someone who says the sky is green, when I can clearly see that it is blue and understand the science behind why it is blue?
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I'm quite willing to see a different point of view, but I reserve the right to call anyone who claims the sky is green an idiot
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
My radar goes off when I hear mention of 'terms of the majority' given that just about every country has a Bill of Rights type document to save people from the 'terms of the majority', including Canada.
I think the NAU and changes it will bring will all be quite boring. We live in a country where one province has not signed our constitution but we are still a country. We live in a country that willfully turns a blind eye to a one province denying people their basic rights of language. But still our country goes on. Should the NAU turn out badly I have full faith that we will once again turn a blind eye and our country will still go on.
Sorry but it's hard to get me riled up about possible future injustices when we refuse to address current injustices. Look at Quebec, look at Darfur, look at the continent of Africa. If the NAU goes sideways it's just a bit of karma from my point of view.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
If you think you are better than someone, or more "right", and you are skipping the stage of proving it, and then you go on and justify demeaning them....you are demeaning a human being.
How can you excuse that? You can't. You cannot even prove they are wrong because you do not have a reasoned argument. All you are proving is that you disagree and that you are unable to prove that you are accurate.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Sorry to disappoint you...do try to have something to say other than utter uselessness.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
See, that's the beauty of the burden. I don't have to prove they're wrong. They have to prove they're right.
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Well all I see are repetitive and pithy jerk off comments that 10 year old could make, so I highly doubt the "Oh I'm the top of the game big world talker.."
No offense, but gmab...what utter bullshit.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
topic integrity please...thanks.This site has PM
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")