North American Union Protests coming up in the next few days

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Americans are in the dark, and pretty much the rest of the world as well. You can either lie down against extreme levels of govt control, or you can fight to protect your rights and country's sovereignty. The US constitution has already been shredded to bits. Let's not have this method of madness spread across the entire continent.

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/

Seattle, Washington, 1:00 pm at the Space Needle, Saturday, August 18th, 2007

Ottawa/Montebello, Canada
August 19, 2007: PUBLIC FORUM
August 20, 2007 : NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION to oppose the SPP - how you can participate

http://www.canadians.org/integratethis/summit/August20.html

RolandTD20Kdrummer

If you want to educate yourself further on the Issue:

http://www.canadians.org/integratethis/backgrounders/guide/index.html

angelica

Hi, Roland. I want to publicly support your educating us on this subject matter. The North American Union, or the Security and Prosperity Partnership is presenting a real and true threat to the sovereignty of our countries.

My concerns are that these politicians are using communication and power dynamics that are aligned with natural life forces. Therefore what they are setting in play, and what is playing out IS happening and will continue to happen--the union of North America. And it seems to be happening on a level where the average person is powerless to do much about it at this time. And it seems to be to the benefit of few and to the potential detriment of many as this snowball effect picks up speed and strength. There is widespread non-awareness and lack of media exposure for such a crucial issue.

What needs to happen is for people to listen and to awaken to what is going on and to the ramifications that are in place. As these actions are taking place on the North American stage, basically unimpeded, it becomes a ball rolling heading in a certain direction. It is picking up momentum and force as we speak. People need to pay attention, connect to their roots and make sure they create a backlash. This is necessary so that what is happening becomes offset, so that it will happen in a balanced way, with the good of the people as a priority. As it stands, it is the good of the "elite few" who will benefit at the expense of the majority.

I recommend everyone do their homework. The awareness with our fellow country-folk on this issue is crucial. And I thank you, Roland, for your perceptive and ongoing concern.

DriftingByTheStorm

Pretext For The North American Union

This is #1 & 2 out of 7 (? i think) ... I did NOT enjoy watching these ... they are quite dull, mostly quotes, a littel grainy video, and lots of voice over... but as far as i can find it is the BEST video on the subject ... this guy fucking knows his shit.

I watched these a month ago, so i can't recall much off the top of my head, just that it is scary shit and it is all going on behind seriously closed doors ...

check it out.

Roland. you my man.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Pretext For The North American Union

This is #1 & 2 out of 7 (? i think) ... I did NOT enjoy watching these ... they are quite dull, mostly quotes, a littel grainy video, and lots of voice over... but as far as i can find it is the BEST video on the subject ... this guy fucking knows his shit.

I watched these a month ago, so i can't recall much off the top of my head, just that it is scary shit and it is all going on behind seriously closed doors ...

check it out.

Roland. you my man.

That was the most informational video compilation in one place I've seen so far.

Thanks for that. The Bush family has a recurrent history of wanting to take over (or financially aid in the takeover) of other countries going back to Dear Prescott in Germany.

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Americans are in the dark, and pretty much the rest of the world as well. You can either lie down against extreme levels of govt control, or you can fight to protect your rights and country's sovereignty. The US constitution has already been shredded to bits. Let's not have this method of madness spread across the entire continent.

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/

Seattle, Washington, 1:00 pm at the Space Needle, Saturday, August 18th, 2007

Ottawa/Montebello, Canada
August 19, 2007: PUBLIC FORUM
August 20, 2007 : NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION to oppose the SPP - how you can participate

http://www.canadians.org/integratethis/summit/August20.html

well I cant make it to seattle tomorrow, so what else can I do to support this cause. seriously.

angelica

jlew24asu wrote:

well I cant make it to seattle tomorrow, so what else can I do to support this cause. seriously.

Cool!! Keep an open mind. If you are at this point, jlew, you are ahead of the game already. Learn about it. Talk to people. The worse part is that people are unaware of this. As people come to be aware, people's sense of fairness for all fellow countrymen will be activated. Most of us are decent, and will naturally want to make this work for the benefit of the people.

surferdude

angelica wrote:

Most of us are decent, and will naturally want to make this work for the benefit of the people.

You do realize this is the same scary mindset that those behind the NAU have, "for the benefit of the people".

angelica

surferdude wrote:

You do realize this is the same scary mindset that those behind the NAU have, "for the benefit of the people".

How so?

surferdude

angelica wrote:

How so?

The people pushing for NAU behind the scenes are doing so "for the benefit of the people". They may also receive benefit from the NAU but they also beleive it's "for the benefit of the people". Their reasoning may be off but it doesn't get away from the reality that they're doing it "for the benefit of the people".

angelica

surferdude wrote:

The people pushing for NAU behind the scenes are doing so "for the benefit of the people". They may also receive benefit from the NAU but they also beleive it's "for the benefit of the people". Their reasoning may be off but it doesn't get away from the reality that they're doing it "for the benefit of the people".

I'm asking you how you are saying my saying it is the same.

To me, intent determines the outcome. If one is seeking their own agenda, and aligning it with the agendas of the people and natural evolutionary principles that is entirely different than if one is seeking the best for the people, and aligning their will to that.

You may perceive it as the same. It is not, and the intent determines a very different and palpable vibe, and an entirely different outcome.

surferdude

angelica wrote:

I'm asking you how you are saying my saying it is the same.

To me, intent determines the outcome. If one is seeking their own agenda, and aligning it with the agendas of the people and natural evolutionary principles that is entirely different than if one is seeking the best for the people, and aligning their will to that.

You may perceive it as the same. It is not, and the intent determines a very different and palpable vibe, and an entirely different outcome.

TO me outcome is a factual event. Outcome is not tied to intent but rather to actions. If intent determines outcome there'd never be a broken heart, as no one does tha on purpose. There'd never be an addict as no one sets out to become an addict.

The lies we tell ourselves are for all intent and purposes the truth if we use those lies to base our actions on. Wether it be people who will gain from the NAU believing they're doing it for the good of the people, or a spouse cheating on their partner believing what the other doesn't know can't hurt him or her.

know1

If it happens, do we have to let the Canadians in? I like the country, but maybe we could ship the people to Australia!

surferdude

know1 wrote:

If it happens, do we have to let the Canadians in? I like the country, but maybe we could ship the people to Australia!

That would be awesome, they have good surfing. If it saves me the hassle of the immigration paperwork I'm all for it, but can you please keep Roland for the good of the people.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

surferdude wrote:

The people pushing for NAU behind the scenes are doing so "for the benefit of the people". They may also receive benefit from the NAU but they also beleive it's "for the benefit of the people". Their reasoning may be off but it doesn't get away from the reality that they're doing it "for the benefit of the people".

They are doing it for the control of the people. Big difference.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

know1 wrote:

If it happens, do we have to let the Canadians in? I like the country, but maybe we could ship the people to Australia!

This is about as funny as...well.... let's just say...you're the one wearing it.

angelica

surferdude wrote:

TO me outcome is a factual event. Outcome is not tied to intent but rather to actions. If intent determines outcome there'd never be a broken heart, as no one does tha on purpose. There'd never be an addict as no one sets out to become an addict.

I'm talking about intent in each moment. The fallout of the broken heart and addicts is about the times where the individual deviates from an ideal intent. If you look at people's actions, honestly, you see their true intents, not the intent they tell themselves to overlook their flaws. It's obvious that intent fuels our actions. So if you step back in the chain of events, you will see that.

The lies we tell ourselves are for all intent and purposes the truth if we use those lies to base our actions on.

Lies are not the truth. This is double speak and flawed justification. Lies are always false.

Wether it be people who will gain from the NAU believing they're doing it for the good of the people, or a spouse cheating on their partner believing what the other doesn't know can't hurt him or her.

This is so distorted, I can't even "hear" it.

Maybe I'm not being clear....I'm not saying what the governments are doing is right or wrong. They are very entitled to pursue their own agendas, like my father does. What I'm saying is that when we as people give up our agendas and hand that power over to others, we .... are powerless, and will pay the price. I support the empowerment of people, against such self-serving institutions of business. I'm honoured to do so. I understand my view will be dissonant to yours. The people are inherently empowered at all times and I'm here to support and cheer on that natural truth.

I am very aware of base business practice, as you are, surferdude. I know the principles, too, so I am well equipped to inform the average person to the point of personal empowerment. Humanitarian empowerment is my agenda. You might be more inclined to stand behind the business principles I speak about. Fair is fair. To each their own.

know1

surferdude wrote:

That would be awesome, they have good surfing. If it saves me the hassle of the immigration paperwork I'm all for it, but can you please keep Roland for the good of the people.

You'd be one I'd let in! Or maybe, I'd head to Australia with you...

surferdude

angelica wrote:

I support the empowerment of people, against such self-serving institutions of business. I'm honoured to do so. I understand my view will be dissonant to yours. The people are inherently empowered at all times and I'm here to support and cheer on that natural truth.

I'm much more with you than you think. When I see the size and bloated power we've given government it's because we've gladly given over power and responsibility. With every social program we've given over power and responsibility.

From my point of view if you really were for the empowerment of people you'd be chanting for an abolishment of every social program there is. Either you're not doing this or I'm hearing you wrong. But once you want to keep even one social program you are no longer for the empowerment of people. The insistance of social programs comes at the price of individual empowerent and that's the catch-22. When we as a people demanded government do what was and should still be individual responsibility we handed over individual empowerment. You cannot be empowered while relying on government for health care, retirement or jobs.

I know there's no turning back the social programs, that's reality. So we are stuck with government that continues to grow in power and not necessarily corruption but having it's own agenda. Government that does not dilineate between for the benefit of the government from for the benefit of the people.

godpt3

gah!!!! New World Order!!!!! Run Away!!!!!

I just wonder if you guys even remotely understand the issues you're protesting against.

floyd1975

know1 wrote:

You'd be one I'd let in! Or maybe, I'd head to Australia with you...

Why in the hell would you willingly move to a prison populated almost entirely by Australians and Canadians? You can't be as insane as the majority of this board know1.