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RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
Americans are in the dark, and pretty much the rest of the world as well. You can either lie down against extreme levels of govt control, or you can fight to protect your rights and country's sovereignty. The US constitution has already been shredded to bits. Let's not have this method of madness spread across the entire continent.

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/

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August 19, 2007: PUBLIC FORUM
August 20, 2007 : NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION to oppose the SPP - how you can participate

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    If you want to educate yourself further on the Issue:

    http://www.canadians.org/integratethis/backgrounders/guide/index.html
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Hi, Roland. I want to publicly support your educating us on this subject matter. The North American Union, or the Security and Prosperity Partnership is presenting a real and true threat to the sovereignty of our countries.

    My concerns are that these politicians are using communication and power dynamics that are aligned with natural life forces. Therefore what they are setting in play, and what is playing out IS happening and will continue to happen--the union of North America. And it seems to be happening on a level where the average person is powerless to do much about it at this time. And it seems to be to the benefit of few and to the potential detriment of many as this snowball effect picks up speed and strength. There is widespread non-awareness and lack of media exposure for such a crucial issue.

    What needs to happen is for people to listen and to awaken to what is going on and to the ramifications that are in place. As these actions are taking place on the North American stage, basically unimpeded, it becomes a ball rolling heading in a certain direction. It is picking up momentum and force as we speak. People need to pay attention, connect to their roots and make sure they create a backlash. This is necessary so that what is happening becomes offset, so that it will happen in a balanced way, with the good of the people as a priority. As it stands, it is the good of the "elite few" who will benefit at the expense of the majority.

    I recommend everyone do their homework. The awareness with our fellow country-folk on this issue is crucial. And I thank you, Roland, for your perceptive and ongoing concern.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Pretext For The North American Union

    This is #1 & 2 out of 7 (? i think) ... I did NOT enjoy watching these ... they are quite dull, mostly quotes, a littel grainy video, and lots of voice over... but as far as i can find it is the BEST video on the subject ... this guy fucking knows his shit.

    I watched these a month ago, so i can't recall much off the top of my head, just that it is scary shit and it is all going on behind seriously closed doors ...

    check it out.

    Roland. you my man.
    ;)
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Pretext For The North American Union

    This is #1 & 2 out of 7 (? i think) ... I did NOT enjoy watching these ... they are quite dull, mostly quotes, a littel grainy video, and lots of voice over... but as far as i can find it is the BEST video on the subject ... this guy fucking knows his shit.

    I watched these a month ago, so i can't recall much off the top of my head, just that it is scary shit and it is all going on behind seriously closed doors ...

    check it out.

    Roland. you my man.
    ;)


    That was the most informational video compilation in one place I've seen so far.

    Thanks for that. The Bush family has a recurrent history of wanting to take over (or financially aid in the takeover) of other countries going back to Dear Prescott in Germany.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Americans are in the dark, and pretty much the rest of the world as well. You can either lie down against extreme levels of govt control, or you can fight to protect your rights and country's sovereignty. The US constitution has already been shredded to bits. Let's not have this method of madness spread across the entire continent.

    http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/

    Seattle, Washington, 1:00 pm at the Space Needle, Saturday, August 18th, 2007

    Ottawa/Montebello, Canada
    August 19, 2007: PUBLIC FORUM
    August 20, 2007 : NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION to oppose the SPP - how you can participate

    http://www.canadians.org/integratethis/summit/August20.html

    well I cant make it to seattle tomorrow, so what else can I do to support this cause. seriously.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well I cant make it to seattle tomorrow, so what else can I do to support this cause. seriously.
    Cool!! Keep an open mind. If you are at this point, jlew, you are ahead of the game already. Learn about it. Talk to people. The worse part is that people are unaware of this. As people come to be aware, people's sense of fairness for all fellow countrymen will be activated. Most of us are decent, and will naturally want to make this work for the benefit of the people. :)
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    angelica wrote:
    Most of us are decent, and will naturally want to make this work for the benefit of the people. :)
    You do realize this is the same scary mindset that those behind the NAU have, "for the benefit of the people".
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    surferdude wrote:
    You do realize this is the same scary mindset that those behind the NAU have, "for the benefit of the people".
    How so?
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    angelica wrote:
    How so?
    The people pushing for NAU behind the scenes are doing so "for the benefit of the people". They may also receive benefit from the NAU but they also beleive it's "for the benefit of the people". Their reasoning may be off but it doesn't get away from the reality that they're doing it "for the benefit of the people".
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    surferdude wrote:
    The people pushing for NAU behind the scenes are doing so "for the benefit of the people". They may also receive benefit from the NAU but they also beleive it's "for the benefit of the people". Their reasoning may be off but it doesn't get away from the reality that they're doing it "for the benefit of the people".
    I'm asking you how you are saying my saying it is the same.

    To me, intent determines the outcome. If one is seeking their own agenda, and aligning it with the agendas of the people and natural evolutionary principles that is entirely different than if one is seeking the best for the people, and aligning their will to that.

    You may perceive it as the same. It is not, and the intent determines a very different and palpable vibe, and an entirely different outcome.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    angelica wrote:
    I'm asking you how you are saying my saying it is the same.

    To me, intent determines the outcome. If one is seeking their own agenda, and aligning it with the agendas of the people and natural evolutionary principles that is entirely different than if one is seeking the best for the people, and aligning their will to that.

    You may perceive it as the same. It is not, and the intent determines a very different and palpable vibe, and an entirely different outcome.
    TO me outcome is a factual event. Outcome is not tied to intent but rather to actions. If intent determines outcome there'd never be a broken heart, as no one does tha on purpose. There'd never be an addict as no one sets out to become an addict.

    The lies we tell ourselves are for all intent and purposes the truth if we use those lies to base our actions on. Wether it be people who will gain from the NAU believing they're doing it for the good of the people, or a spouse cheating on their partner believing what the other doesn't know can't hurt him or her.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    If it happens, do we have to let the Canadians in? I like the country, but maybe we could ship the people to Australia! ;)
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    know1 wrote:
    If it happens, do we have to let the Canadians in? I like the country, but maybe we could ship the people to Australia! ;)
    That would be awesome, they have good surfing. If it saves me the hassle of the immigration paperwork I'm all for it, but can you please keep Roland for the good of the people.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    surferdude wrote:
    The people pushing for NAU behind the scenes are doing so "for the benefit of the people". They may also receive benefit from the NAU but they also beleive it's "for the benefit of the people". Their reasoning may be off but it doesn't get away from the reality that they're doing it "for the benefit of the people".


    They are doing it for the control of the people. Big difference.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    know1 wrote:
    If it happens, do we have to let the Canadians in? I like the country, but maybe we could ship the people to Australia! ;)

    This is about as funny as...well.... let's just say...you're the one wearing it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    surferdude wrote:
    TO me outcome is a factual event. Outcome is not tied to intent but rather to actions. If intent determines outcome there'd never be a broken heart, as no one does tha on purpose. There'd never be an addict as no one sets out to become an addict.
    I'm talking about intent in each moment. The fallout of the broken heart and addicts is about the times where the individual deviates from an ideal intent. If you look at people's actions, honestly, you see their true intents, not the intent they tell themselves to overlook their flaws. It's obvious that intent fuels our actions. So if you step back in the chain of events, you will see that.
    The lies we tell ourselves are for all intent and purposes the truth if we use those lies to base our actions on.
    Lies are not the truth. This is double speak and flawed justification. Lies are always false.
    Wether it be people who will gain from the NAU believing they're doing it for the good of the people, or a spouse cheating on their partner believing what the other doesn't know can't hurt him or her.
    This is so distorted, I can't even "hear" it.

    Maybe I'm not being clear....I'm not saying what the governments are doing is right or wrong. They are very entitled to pursue their own agendas, like my father does. What I'm saying is that when we as people give up our agendas and hand that power over to others, we .... are powerless, and will pay the price. I support the empowerment of people, against such self-serving institutions of business. I'm honoured to do so. I understand my view will be dissonant to yours. The people are inherently empowered at all times and I'm here to support and cheer on that natural truth.

    I am very aware of base business practice, as you are, surferdude. I know the principles, too, so I am well equipped to inform the average person to the point of personal empowerment. Humanitarian empowerment is my agenda. You might be more inclined to stand behind the business principles I speak about. Fair is fair. To each their own.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    surferdude wrote:
    That would be awesome, they have good surfing. If it saves me the hassle of the immigration paperwork I'm all for it, but can you please keep Roland for the good of the people.

    You'd be one I'd let in! Or maybe, I'd head to Australia with you...
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    angelica wrote:
    I support the empowerment of people, against such self-serving institutions of business. I'm honoured to do so. I understand my view will be dissonant to yours. The people are inherently empowered at all times and I'm here to support and cheer on that natural truth.
    I'm much more with you than you think. When I see the size and bloated power we've given government it's because we've gladly given over power and responsibility. With every social program we've given over power and responsibility.

    From my point of view if you really were for the empowerment of people you'd be chanting for an abolishment of every social program there is. Either you're not doing this or I'm hearing you wrong. But once you want to keep even one social program you are no longer for the empowerment of people. The insistance of social programs comes at the price of individual empowerent and that's the catch-22. When we as a people demanded government do what was and should still be individual responsibility we handed over individual empowerment. You cannot be empowered while relying on government for health care, retirement or jobs.

    I know there's no turning back the social programs, that's reality. So we are stuck with government that continues to grow in power and not necessarily corruption but having it's own agenda. Government that does not dilineate between for the benefit of the government from for the benefit of the people.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    gah!!!! New World Order!!!!! Run Away!!!!!

    I just wonder if you guys even remotely understand the issues you're protesting against.
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  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    know1 wrote:
    You'd be one I'd let in! Or maybe, I'd head to Australia with you...

    Why in the hell would you willingly move to a prison populated almost entirely by Australians and Canadians? You can't be as insane as the majority of this board know1.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    godpt3 wrote:
    gah!!!! New World Order!!!!! Run Away!!!!!

    I just wonder if you guys even remotely understand the issues you're protesting against.

    I understand where you're coming from, but it would be nice if you could elaborate on where the attitude is coming from. What do you know that these people don't?
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Murder is ok...terrorism is all real.... "they hate us for our freedom"

    oh yeah and false flag is all just BS...

    right...

    back to your plates of hay sheeples...nothing to see here.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Murder is ok...terrorism is all real.... "they hate us for our freedom"

    Murder is NOT OK... Terrorism is real... and they hate us because we have a culture that believes "our god is better than your god" and because "Allah" says so.

    Any other questions...
    "If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
    —Dorothy Parker

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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    gue_barium wrote:
    I understand where you're coming from, but it would be nice if you could elaborate on where the attitude is coming from. What do you know that these people don't?

    Because there are serious issues to be discussed and the lunatic fringe on both the left and the right aren't doing themselves any favors by acting like such dicks. It's hard to take Chicken Little seriously when he doesn't have a telescope to prove that the sky is, indeed, falling.


    If the crazy people would stop being crazy for one moment, and learn to articulate their positions in a rational manner, we might actually get something accomplished.
    "If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    godpt3 wrote:
    Because there are serious issues to be discussed and the lunatic fringe on both the left and the right aren't doing themselves any favors by acting like such dicks. It's hard to take Chicken Little seriously when he doesn't have a telescope to prove that the sky is, indeed, falling.


    If the crazy people would stop being crazy for one moment, and learn to articulate their positions in a rational manner, we might actually get something accomplished.

    So...
    what's your rational argument?
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    godpt3 wrote:
    Murder is NOT OK... Terrorism is real... and they hate us because we have a culture that believes "our god is better than your god" and because "Allah" says so.

    Any other questions...

    And more towards the heart of the matter....false flag operations?

    I mean why don't you just say you want to wipe out Muslims and don't give a crap what it takes already.

    sigh...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    gue_barium wrote:
    So...
    what's your rational argument?

    that we DO need to be concerned about further opening the borders, not because of some wild-eyed NWO conspiracy, but because of legitimate safety concerns. They're building a massive transportation line going all the way from Mexico to Canada, travelling along U.S. highways in many cases. Unfortunately, Mexican safety regulations aren't up to par with even American standards.



    *some people are scared, because it's all they know how to do*
    "If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I mean why don't you just say you want to wipe out Muslims and don't give a crap what it takes already.

    Sounds like a plan to me. Start with the muslims, and then move on to the Christians. Eradicate this "god" virus once and for all.
    "If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    godpt3 wrote:
    Sounds like a plan to me. Start with the muslims, and then move on to the Christians. Eradicate this "god" virus once and for all.

    Actually that's pretty damn funny, now that you put it like that.

    I hate to say it, but you have a point there, and I can see what you're saying.

    I suddenly just got a vision about 1000 years from now looking into the worlds history books and reading about what's happening now with regards to mankind's different era's on the evolutionary time line.

    Interesting perspective. I'd hate to lose my country over it though.

    Looking at it from that point of view, it's inevitable.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    godpt3 wrote:
    that we DO need to be concerned about further opening the borders, not because of some wild-eyed NWO conspiracy, but because of legitimate safety concerns. They're building a massive transportation line going all the way from Mexico to Canada, travelling along U.S. highways in many cases. Unfortunately, Mexican safety regulations aren't up to par with even American standards.
    That reminds of that line from the Cable Guy. please don't go bungee jumping in Mexico...they just don't have the regulations.



    godpt3 wrote:
    *some people are scared, because it's all they know how to do*

    How ironic.
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