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  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    most likely there will be no clear winner, which will be a huge win for Obama I think. Anything that doesn't stop Johnbo's slide is an Obama win.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Obama kills McCain on healthcare ... see this ...

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=305111
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  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    John McCain needs to stand still he's like a creepy uncle fester....
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    CHANGEinWAVES wrote:
    Did McCain just refer to Obama as "that one"? :eek:

    He also knows Obama could NEVER go there and he knows he can and not many will even bat an eye. Some may even laugh no respect being shown there.

    However atleast he is taking a look at him tonight.

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  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    do the math people, do it now
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    beachdweller wrote:
    most likely there will be no clear winner, which will be a huge win for Obama I think. Anything that doesn't stop Johnbo's slide is an Obama win.

    I've decided there is never a clear winner to these things. Whoever you like coming in, you like coming out.

    They never move the polls at all.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Here's what I don't like about Obama's health plan:

    "If you already have health coverage, you can keep yours ..."

    Well, thanks. I get mine through my company. You think my company is going to continue to pay for health benefits when the government is giving it away for free?

    Uh, no. They are going to see it as a prime way to cut costs, and out it goes.

    So I'm going to end up with some crappy government plan wherein I get to wait in line for six days in order to get my massive head wound sewn up. But, hey, it's free!


    well, it's a recuiting tool for companies ... no doubt, believe me, healthcare is VERY important when looking for a job.
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  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    John McCain needs to stand still he's like a creepy uncle fester....

    I was thinking cousin IT without the hair implants, lol
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    beachdweller wrote:
    do the math people, do it now



    "it was my understanding that there would be no math." ;):D
  • stylo17stylo17 Posts: 1,001
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    John McCain needs to stand still he's like a creepy uncle fester....

    yessss that's what I was thinking. he needs to stop trying to raise his arms. it just makes his chest wider and is gonna tear a whole in his jacket
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    jimed14 wrote:
    well, it's a recuiting tool for companies ... no doubt, believe me, healthcare is VERY important when looking for a job.

    Except for times of high unemployment ... like now ... where you take what you can get.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    jimed14 wrote:
    well, it's a recuiting tool for companies ... no doubt, believe me, healthcare is VERY important when looking for a job.

    I just realized, I'm 40, and have had 5 jobs in my life, and have never not had healthcare....I can imagine not having it.
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  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    John McCain needs to stand still he's like a creepy uncle fester....
    OMG!!! U are soooo right, my friend!!;)
    "I'm not present, I'm a drug that makes you dream"
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    i've had it


    john,


    STOP THE DAMNED WHISTLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    what Obama should say about healthcare and the government, the government managing your healthcard means you get the treatment you need, where under Johnbo's plan, the HMO's can still keep you from getting the care you need because it effects their bottom line.

    If I remember right, medicaid only has a 5% overhead to run, far better than any HMO.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I know you've predicted a McCain win this whole time ... but there's no way. It's just not happening, as much as I would like for that to happen.

    The country just seems to want a Democrat, any Democrat, in the White House this time around. That seems to be the m.o. in times of bad economy: Throw out whoever is in charge.

    I don't really see anyway McCain wins this election, save Obama -- as the saying goes -- being caught with a dead woman or a live boy.
    You do have to admit the financial strategy of past admin. didn't work.


    we agree on folks doing what they want to do...and see what they want to see, so don't count out McCain.
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Here's what I don't like about Obama's health plan:

    "If you already have health coverage, you can keep yours ..."

    Well, thanks. I get mine through my company. You think my company is going to continue to pay for health benefits when the government is giving it away for free?

    There will be no free government health care under Obama's plan:

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

    "Establish a National Health Insurance Exchange with a range of private insurance options as well as a new public plan based on benefits available to members of Congress that will allow individuals and small businesses to buy affordable health coverage."

    You will have the ability to buy an affordable program from the government. It will not be free.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Like how Obama's hogging time
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  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    cutback wrote:
    "it was my understanding that there would be no math." ;):D

    can I get that question in writing ahead of time please?
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  • stylo17stylo17 Posts: 1,001
    "before we leave that, did we hear the size of the fine? hehe"

    real cute "my friend," real cute.
    6/11/08 WPB


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  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    WTF!!?? Is this McCain's comedy hour!??
    "I'm not present, I'm a drug that makes you dream"
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    so ... how many think at least 50% of the American audience is already watching old Tivo'd episodes of Dancing with the Stars by now?
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    cutback wrote:
    i've had it


    john,


    STOP THE DAMNED WHISTLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Easy man maybe he can't help it, work with it. Is he really whistling?

    Peace
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    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • nothingheadnothinghead Posts: 270
    This is incredibly frustrating. Very passive aggressive responses. "Maybe Arizona..." Just fucking say it. Grow a pair. Say what you mean.

    I've decided that I refuse to vote for any grown man who can't say what he means. I think that's a new key criterion for me. If you can't say, "hey, McCain/Obama is wrong about this. He's lying to you. Here's why." Or, "Obama/McCain is a shady fucking dude and here's why I think so..." doesn't get to be the President.

    Also, next person to say "that's a fundamental difference between me and ______," has to take a five minute time out and consult a thesaurus.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    jimed14 wrote:
    so ... how many think at least 50% of the American audience is already watching old Tivo'd episodes of Dancing with the Stars by now?
    Oh yea no doubt
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  • SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    McCain's war rhetoric makes me physically ill.
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  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    How does a $5000 tax break for healthcare help someone who is sick and out of work?...or have a preexisting condition?
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  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    jimed14 wrote:
    so ... how many think at least 50% of the American audience is already watching old Tivo'd episodes of Dancing with the Stars by now?
    do u think after he loses McCain will go on dancing with the stars? ;)
    "I'm not present, I'm a drug that makes you dream"
  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    How does a $5000 tax break for healthcare help someone who is sick and out of work?...or have a preexisting condition?

    that's a great point
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    McCain's war rhetoric makes me physically ill.
    Us americans eat that up.....we just love killin.......and love our jesus christ...woo hoo.
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