Iran arrests 300 ‘insufficiently veiled’ women

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    this is what our country needs... instead of women trying to run our country

    we need to put women in their places, who's with me?

    Yeah, I have a dream that we will capture all the men, and exterminate those that are not being kept caged for breeding purposes, or who are unable to prove their viability. Who's with me?
    NOPE!!!

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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Jeanie wrote:
    Yeah, I have a dream that we will capture all the men, and exterminate those that are not being kept caged for breeding purposes, or who are unable to prove their viability. Who's with me?
    just make us sandwiches and keep our cages clean... that's good enough cupcakes ;)
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    just make us sandwiches and keep our cages clean... that's good enough cupcakes ;)

    Sit down and be quiet!!!

    Nobody asked you what you thought.

    You'll need that energy for later.

    Now lick my boot.
    NOPE!!!

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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Finally, this thread is turning kinky.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Jeanie wrote:
    Sit down and be quiet!!!

    Nobody asked you what you thought.

    You'll need that energy for later.

    Now lick my boot.
    wow... kinda aggressive... i kinda like you
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Jeanie wrote:
    exterminate those that are not being kept caged for breeding purposes
    you're nasty
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Perhaps I am nasty, perhaps I am aggressive. I am human after all, so am capable of these things, just like everybody else.

    More likely I am frustrated, and overwhelmed with sadness that women are still sexualized and demonized. That in this day and age, we have women in some parts of the world forced to cover themselves from head to foot because of some ridiculous mandate orchestrated by some men. Just so they can survive. As I am mad that in other parts of the world a woman must undress herself or parade near naked in order to be validated or accepted, by some men, in order to survive.

    And I know that is a fairly broad picture I am painting, but think for a minute, about the women who have discussed being objectified here on this thread, and what that actually means in real terms. About how they are forced to live their lives. Never truly free to just be who they are. Always having to be aware of how they are dressed, where they are, how their exterior is being perceived in the world and the ramifications of that.
    And think how we will NEVER get to hear on this thread, from the women who are being subjected to walking around completely covered in tents. Completely subjugated and controlled by men even down to what they are wearing, that's before we even get to what they think.

    I understand that many men in this world are not part of this situation, but I made my post as an example of just how far fetched things are for women, and how maybe if the shoe was on the other foot, more people would be offended and outraged. Perhaps take the time to consider just how barbaric, at the very least sinister, these types of expectations are when it comes to woman.

    I have no desire to cage men, or use them. Or have absolute power over them. But don't think for a minute that there aren't days when women do think this way purely because we are sick and tired of how the world views women and the expectations placed upon us.

    And before some of you come blundering in here to scream "feminazi" at me. Really stop and think about what I'm saying. This is not about being a feminist, it's about equality for all us. Men and Women and Children.
    It's about the freedom to be who we are. To wear what we please.
    And to be accepted and judged by who we are and the things we do and not about how we look.
    NOPE!!!

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jeanie if you really are egalitarian. Why don't you fight for the men of the Tchambuli/Chambri tribe?

    See, thing is your focus is on women and I think you tend to overlook the inequalities against men. I've brought up social inequalities in western culture, and you've tried to rationalize them. The domestic violence policies were one example. In-fact, contrary to statistical data, you said it was because of statistical data, and implied that men are inherently more violent and aggressive. Which is simply not the case. So you've made this stereotypical judgement of men, based solely on your own experiences and social prejudices.

    Perhaps that is why you see these great atrocities. In Iran women are oppressed to a degree, but not as much as you might think. Cosmetic Surgery is more popular in Iran than it is in the United States. That's a little known fact about Iranian women and culture. This '300 arrested women' is clearly a struggle between the women and the fundamentalist regime. It's indicative of social change, some would consider social progress. The regime has become intolerable to the change in Iranian culture and this is grasping to maintain their ideology. But we can safely guess that this may be the last straw for islamic fundamentalism in Iran. It may not be so much a sign of oppression as a sign of emancipation. If the women were being strongly oppressed to begin with, 300 women wouldn't have had the metaphorical 'balls' to go unveiled in public.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ok, I'll do this S-L-O-W-L-Y because it seems to me that you are having a reading comprehension problem with my posts. And I'm getting a wee bit tired of you projecting your opinions about women onto me.
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Jeanie if you really are egalitarian. Why don't you fight for the men of the Tchambuli/Chambri tribe?

    So I'm getting the impression from this comment that not only do you think I am incapable of being about equality, but that in order for you to view me as egalitarian I must choose to "fight" for what you deem worthy.
    To start with, there's no "fighting" going on here. I support issues and causes as I choose, just as we all do. Secondly, as you know sweet FA about me, I would suggest you have NO IDEA what I "fight" for. Or what causes I support. And as you have never bothered to ask, and seem happy with your assuming, I'll leave you with that.

    Ahnimus wrote:
    See, thing is your focus is on women and I think you tend to overlook the inequalities against men. I've brought up social inequalities in western culture, and you've tried to rationalize them. The domestic violence policies were one example. In-fact, contrary to statistical data, you said it was because of statistical data, and implied that men are inherently more violent and aggressive. Which is simply not the case. So you've made this stereotypical judgement of men, based solely on your own experiences and social prejudices.
    My focus is on women, IN THIS THREAD, because THIS THREAD is about WOMEN. Now if you are going to bring your assumptions about me from other threads, fine, go ahead, but you were wrong then and you're still wrong now.
    In the particular thread that you are referring to, you posted a set of statistics. I disagreed with them and I posted you other statistics which, clearly you disagree with. Fine. We disagree. Who is to say which one of us is correct? And frankly who cares? But please, do not start telling me about MY stereotypical judgements on men based "solely on your own experiences and social prejudices" or at this point I will bring to the argument your thread "Oppressive Female Regimes" and say that clearly, based on that alone, in my opinion, filtered by my own biases and projecting my opinions onto you, you have a misogynistic view of women based on your blatant oedipus complex. I'd be wrong most likely but hey, seems this is all about the personal attack and blatant assumption, so why should I care?
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Perhaps that is why you see these great atrocities. In Iran women are oppressed to a degree, but not as much as you might think. Cosmetic Surgery is more popular in Iran than it is in the United States. That's a little known fact about Iranian women and culture. This '300 arrested women' is clearly a struggle between the women and the fundamentalist regime. It's indicative of social change, some would consider social progress. The regime has become intolerable to the change in Iranian culture and this is grasping to maintain their ideology. But we can safely guess that this may be the last straw for islamic fundamentalism in Iran. It may not be so much a sign of oppression as a sign of emancipation. If the women were being strongly oppressed to begin with, 300 women wouldn't have had the metaphorical 'balls' to go unveiled in public.

    I don't even know where to begin with this.
    Frankly you sound more like Pollyanna than I normally do.
    Perhaps let us look at what history has shown us about hard line muslim fundamentalists around the globe and the ramifications that has had on women in terms of their dress, their education, their right to work, and a plethora of other freedoms. If as you say, these 300 women with the "metaphorical balls to go unveiled in public" actually bring about "the last straw in islamic fundementalism in Iran" no body would be happier than me. But seriously???? GET REAL! There's a snowflakes chance in hell that's gonna happen.
    NOPE!!!

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Jeanie wrote:
    clearly, based on that alone, in my opinion, filtered by my own biases and projecting my opinions onto you, you have a misogynistic view of women based on your blatant oedipus complex. I'd be wrong most likely

    no you wouldnt, i dont think. this is a pretty textbook case of oedipal complex in action. i thought i was disdainful towards women, but he makes me feel like gloria steinem.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    soulsinging wrote:
    no you wouldnt, i dont think. this is a pretty textbook case of oedipal complex in action. i thought i was disdainful towards women, but he makes me feel like gloria steinem.

    :D hehe! Well thanks for saying so ss. I was starting to feel like a rampant, lesbian feminist and misandrist. (learned that one on the Oppressive Female Regimes thread!! ;):D)

    I don't get that you are disdainful toward women. :confused:
    Most of the stuff you post about women and women's issues makes sense to me and seems relatively balanced. :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Jeanie wrote:
    :D hehe! Well thanks for saying so ss. I was starting to feel like a rampant, lesbian feminist and misandrist. (learned that one on the Oppressive Female Regimes thread!! ;):D)

    I don't get that you are disdainful toward women. :confused:
    Most of the stuff you post about women and women's issues makes sense to me and seems relatively balanced. :)

    im just a bit of a cynic and jaded about women with respect to relationships. and some women get offended when i speak in generalities about female behavior. it's all based on sociology, but sometimes they flip up saying "you can't label all women like that!" and of course, i never would. but i still notice trends and like to hedge my bets based on the odds. then they get into men and say "what if i said men are XYZ" and i say "you'd be right." only thing is, i rarely talk about what men are doing cos im not trying to get laid by them ;)

    in any case, glad you think im not wildly inappropriate. the consensus seems to disagree. though i guess my political views of women are a bit more palatable than my relationship views of them.

    however, before you all start to think im some sort of touchy-feely feminist, i feel compelled to admit that i still think watching women play any sport but tennis is about as exciting as the waiting room at the dentist's office. :)
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    soulsinging wrote:
    i guess my political views of women are a bit more palatable than my relationship views of them.
    Hahaha ... truer words were never spoken!

    That's ok though. Since we're never going to have a relationship, but you probably will wind up in politics, the political views are all that matter to me. The rest is your gf's problem ... may she be blessed with great strength and patience ;)
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    hippiemom wrote:
    Hahaha ... truer words were never spoken!

    That's ok though. Since we're never going to have a relationship, but you probably will wind up in politics, the political views are all that matter to me. The rest is your gf's problem ... may she be blessed with great strength and patience ;)

    or a fist of iron ;) in general my views of relationships are as cynical as they come... for men or women. like i said though, i only talk about the women cos im not getting screwed by the men, literally or figuratively.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    soulsinging wrote:
    im just a bit of a cynic and jaded about women with respect to relationships. and some women get offended when i speak in generalities about female behavior. it's all based on sociology, but sometimes they flip up saying "you can't label all women like that!" and of course, i never would. but i still notice trends and like to hedge my bets based on the odds. then they get into men and say "what if i said men are XYZ" and i say "you'd be right." only thing is, i rarely talk about what men are doing cos im not trying to get laid by them ;)

    hehe!! :D Well that sounds pretty human to me ss.
    I think we all make these generalizations when we are feeling cynical and jaded. And you're right it is about sociology.
    At least you seem to recognize how out and out misogyny is not a leg opener. ;)
    Pretty smart as far as I can see. :)
    soulsinging wrote:
    in any case, glad you think im not wildly inappropriate. the consensus seems to disagree. though i guess my political views of women are a bit more palatable than my relationship views of them.

    I think your political views are very humanist and evenly presented.
    Relationships are bloody hard work ss. For both partners.
    And damn frustrating a lot of the time.
    It's not that hard to become fed up with the whole thing. Especially when you are doing your best and it doesn't seem to be working. Compound that a few times and yeah, it's hard to remain optimistic.

    soulsinging wrote:
    however, before you all start to think im some sort of touchy-feely feminist, i feel compelled to admit that i still think watching women play any sport but tennis is about as exciting as the waiting room at the dentist's office. :)

    Yes, I completely understand Martina!! ;):D
    NOPE!!!

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jeanie, lol

    That thread was a joke, and that was pretty obvious. You didn't see that because you have a personal hatred for me. Which is why you responded to my post in this thread the way you did. I don't know what else to say to you, because you are totally narrow-minded and ignorant. I didn't see any statistics you posted and the statistics I posted were from Statistics Canada and we were talking about Ontario specifically, so therefor I am right and your just grasping to bullshit to push your ideological sexist view.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Jeanie, lol

    That thread was a joke, and that was pretty obvious. You didn't see that because you have a personal hatred for me. Which is why you responded to my post in this thread the way you did. I don't know what else to say to you, because you are totally narrow-minded and ignorant. I didn't see any statistics you posted and the statistics I posted were from Statistics Canada and we were talking about Ontario specifically, so therefor I am right and your just grasping to bullshit to push your ideological sexist view.

    There you go projecting again. :rolleyes: Are you incapable of comprehension?

    For starters, I don't hate anyone. Secondly even supposing I could be bothered hating someone it wouldn't be you. I don't care that much.
    Actually now that you appear to be behaving like a total prick and calling names, perhaps I can't even be bothered responding other than to degenerate this to a pathetic slanging match further by saying that obviously you are delusional and clearly my comment about your oedipal complex hit the mark. Perhaps when you have a clear head, IF you ever have a clear head you might have the emotional maturity to go back and read what I actually said and stop projecting your twisted shit onto my words.
    But that aint gonna happen is it? Because it's far more satisfying for you to crap on endlessly with this bunk because you are bored and and you just love being mean to people. Good luck with that.
    NOPE!!!

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jeanie wrote:
    There you go projecting again. :rolleyes: Are you incapable of comprehension?

    For starters, I don't hate anyone. Secondly even supposing I could be bothered hating someone it wouldn't be you. I don't care that much.
    Actually now that you appear to be behaving like a total prick and calling names, perhaps I can't even be bothered responding other than to degenerate this to a pathetic slanging match further by saying that obviously you are delusional and clearly my comment about your oedipal complex hit the mark. Perhaps when you have a clear head, IF you ever have a clear head you might have the emotional maturity to go back and read what I actually said and stop projecting your twisted shit onto my words.
    But that aint gonna happen is it? Because it's far more satisfying for you to crap on endlessly with this bunk because you are bored and and you just love being mean to people. Good luck with that.

    Actually as you just admitted, you started with the 'name calling'. Days before I've said anything. You are always pushing this bad image of men. All I do is push back. I push back on anyone I see telling lies and it happens all the time on here. I speak truth and people get pissed off. Why? Because it's not what you want to believe, it's not comforting and it doesn't fit into your version of reality. But it is reality, regardless of what you believe.

    I interpret the events of Iran to be far more complex than simply "See, look, women are still being oppressed all over the world!" that kind of shit to me is a waste of fucking breath. All your doing is looking for an opportunity to spit that shit out and your not even thinking about what it actually means.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Actually as you just admitted, you started with the 'name calling'. Days before I've said anything. You are always pushing this bad image of men. All I do is push back. I push back on anyone I see telling lies and it happens all the time on here. I speak truth and people get pissed off. Why? Because it's not what you want to believe, it's not comforting and it doesn't fit into your version of reality. But it is reality, regardless of what you believe.

    I interpret the events of Iran to be far more complex than simply "See, look, women are still being oppressed all over the world!" that kind of shit to me is a waste of fucking breath. All your doing is looking for an opportunity to spit that shit out and your not even thinking about what it actually means.

    Like pretty much every body else around here, I can't be bothered with you.

    You believe whatever you damn well like about me.
    You're wrong but I don't really give a shit anyway. There are far more important things to do in this world than help you onto your soapbox.
    NOPE!!!

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Actually as you just admitted, you started with the 'name calling'. Days before I've said anything. You are always pushing this bad image of men. All I do is push back. I push back on anyone I see telling lies and it happens all the time on here. I speak truth and people get pissed off. Why? Because it's not what you want to believe, it's not comforting and it doesn't fit into your version of reality. But it is reality, regardless of what you believe.

    I interpret the events of Iran to be far more complex than simply "See, look, women are still being oppressed all over the world!" that kind of shit to me is a waste of fucking breath. All your doing is looking for an opportunity to spit that shit out and your not even thinking about what it actually means.

    i've never seen her push a bad image of men.

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