Iran arrests 300 ‘insufficiently veiled’ women

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edited April 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18277927/

TEHRAN, Iran - With the arrival of spring, Iranian police have launched a crackdown against women accused of not covering up enough, arresting nearly 300 women, some for wearing too tight an overcoat or letting too much hair peek out from under their veil, authorities said Monday.

The campaign in the streets of major cities was the toughest such crackdown in nearly two decades, raising fears that hard-liner President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad intends to re-impose the tough Islamic Revolution-era constraints on women's dress that loosened in past years.

The move highlighted the new boldness among hard-liners in Ahmadinejad's government, which has used mounting Western pressure on Tehran over its nuclear program and Iraq as a pretext to put down internal dissent.

But it could bring a backlash at a time when many Iranians resent Ahmadinejad for failing to boost the faltering economy or halt spiraling prices and blame him for isolating Iran with his fiery rhetoric. The two-day-old crackdown was already angering moderates.

"What they do is really insulting. You simply can't tell people what to wear. They don't understand that use of force only brings hatred toward them, not love," said Elham Mohammadi, a 23-year-old female student.

Her hair was hardly hidden by her white-and-orange headscarf — an infraction that could bring police attention. Police could be seen Monday stopping and giving warnings to other women who were showing too much hair or even wearing too colorful a headscarf.

Looser dress codes are one of the few surviving gains from the era of Ahmadinejad's predecessor, reformist President Mohammad Khatami, who was in power from 1997 to 2005.

During that time, many women, particularly in cities, shed the dress code imposed after the 1979 revolution — veils completely covering the hair and heavy coats or the black or gray head-to-toe chador hiding the shape of the body.

Now it is common to see women in loose headscarves — some as narrow as a ribbon — that show much of their hair and short, colorful, form-fitting jackets that stop at the knee — or even higher — showing jeans underneath. Even under Ahmadinejad in the past two years, women can be seen in pants that leave the bottom of their calves bare.

Any of those styles could bring warnings or detention from the anti-vice police in the current sweep, which began Saturday.

Women among anti-vice police
Anti-vice police — many of them women — have been stopping women in the streets of the capital and other cities if they deem their dress is "un-Islamic."

So far, 278 women have been detained, 231 of whom were released after they signed papers promising they won't appear "inadequately dressed in public," police spokesman Col. Mahi Ahmadi told The Associated Press Monday.



Another 3,548 women have been given "warnings and Islamic guidance," without being detained, Ahmadi said.

Twelve men have also been detained for "not observing the proper Islamic dress code" by wearing tight pants or short-sleeve shirts, he said.

Every spring, there are calls by clerics for a crackdown, and the past two years have seen minor, localized sweeps. But this year's was the first since before Khatami's presidency to see so many arrests and had high prominence in the government media, warning women to adhere to Islamic dress.

Ahmadi said the sweep would go on "as long as necessary," but it was not clear whether it heralded an all-out, permanent campaign to bar looser dress codes.

One hard-liner cleric on Monday warned of a backlash. "In many cases, the use of force in the fight against social harms can backfire," the head of judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi, said, according to the state news agency IRNA.

Qom clerics called for crackdown
But many conservatives were applauding the crackdown, launched after a call from senior hard-line clerics in the holy city of Qom to tighten the reins.

"All are responsible towards the problem of inadequate dress," Ayatollah Nasser Makarem Shirazi, one senior Qom cleric, told newspapers.

Mostafa Pourmohammadi, the interior minister in charge of the campaign, said it would please the people by restoring social stability.

"People are unhappy with the social and moral status of the society. They expect that the fight against social insecurity be properly implemented," Pourmohammadi was quoted in the conservative daily Resalat as saying.

Hard-line lawmaker, Mohammad Taqi Rahbar, said the looser dress codes had prompted Iranian women and families "to cry out" for help. "Men see models in the streets and ignore their own wives at home. This weakens the pillars of family," he said.

Ever since Ahmadinejad won the presidency in 2005 elections, Iranians have been fearing a return to the prohibitions on "un-Islamic" dress, music, male and female mixing and the other restrictions from the revolution's heyday.

But criticism of the president has been increasing as prices for basic good like food and housing have increased in past months — despite his campaign promises to reduce poverty.

"The problem of our country is unemployment, rapid increase in the number of crimes and murders, not women's dress," said Sadeq Rowshani, a bank clerk.


I really do not know what to say about that. Seems amazing that this is possible in a supposed Republic...
"Almost unconsciously he traced with his finger in the dust on the table: 2+2=5" 1984
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    that'll teach those harlots to dress like tramps.

    funny, this sort of shit never happened in iraq.
  • SpecificsSpecifics Posts: 417
    glass parking-lot anyone?
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    What a bunch of morons.
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    What a bunch of morons.

    almost as stupid as when some states/cities fine women for wearing too little clothing.

    or muslim women in some parts of europe who choose to cover themselves but are not allowed to. pretty stupid laws eh?
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    MrBrian wrote:
    almost as stupid as when some states/cities fine women for wearing too little clothing.

    or muslim women in some parts of europe who choose to cover themselves but are not allowed to. pretty stupid laws eh?

    Agreed 100%.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    MrBrian wrote:
    almost as stupid as when some states/cities fine women for wearing too little clothing.

    or muslim women in some parts of europe who choose to cover themselves but are not allowed to. pretty stupid laws eh?
    Although they did mention some men getting harrassed for wearing tight pants and short sleeves, it's overwhelmingly women who are the targets of these types of laws. What is it about the female body that frightens people so?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    hippiemom wrote:
    What is it about the female body that frightens people so?

    Apparently Iranian men have no self-control when confronted with the vision of a female figure:
    Hard-line lawmaker, Mohammad Taqi Rahbar, said the looser dress codes had prompted Iranian women and families "to cry out" for help. "Men see models in the streets and ignore their own wives at home. This weakens the pillars of family," he said.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jeffbr wrote:
    Apparently Iranian men have no self-control when confronted with the vision of a female figure:

    what's that saying about who cares where you get the appetite as long as you come home for the dinner?
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    what's that saying about who cares where you get the appetite as long as you come home for the dinner?

    Exactly! You can look at the menu, you just can't eat.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    jeffbr wrote:
    Exactly! You can look at the menu, you just can't eat.

    Religious fundamentalism is characterized by "thought-action fusion" ... The belief that thinking about doing something is just as bad as actually doing it. Major cognitive distortion.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    that'll teach those harlots to dress like tramps.

    funny, this sort of shit never happened in iraq.

    hehe IRAQ HAD BONG SHOPS
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    hippiemom wrote:
    Although they did mention some men getting harrassed for wearing tight pants and short sleeves, it's overwhelmingly women who are the targets of these types of laws. What is it about the female body that frightens people so?

    through out all of history. the female body has been looked at as something that can be used for destroying empires,bringing down kings. you name it. and it has.

    So from a historical context, men have a lot to fear from the strange,good looking woman on the street.

    does that sorta answer your question?

    I mean since i'm not scared of the female body, well unless its a sorta large woman in a very tight something with things hanging out. which may scare me. I can't really answer that question, I can just give you a broader answer from a historical point of view.

    not that I think its a good reason.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Religious fundamentalism is characterized by "thought-action fusion" ... The belief that thinking about doing something is just as bad as actually doing it. Major cognitive distortion.

    Yeah, I remember Jimmy Carter confessing that he'd committed adultery in his heart. That caused quite a stir. Nutty fundamentalists everywhere, I guess.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    MrBrian wrote:
    I mean since i'm not scared of the female body, well unless its a sorta large woman in a very tight something with things hanging out. which may scare me. I can't really answer that question, I can just give you a broader answer from a historical point of view.
    Ha ha ... those female bodies scare me too! Just like obese hairy-backed men in shorts and wifebeaters .... that's about the scariest thing you can possibly see.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    hippiemom wrote:
    What is it about the female body that frightens people so?


    It's all those curves.

    A lot of men have an inner-ear imbalance and they get somewhat dizzy from trying to follow the curves of the female body:D

    Furthemore, those symptoms are followed by much more severe symptoms and behavior.

    The salivary glands begin producing saliva at excessive rates.

    Their tounges become stimulated and swollen, which then leads to an uncontrolable tounge dialation, which in-turn leads the tounge dropping out of the mouth and to the ground.

    Then their penis become stiff, erect and magically tears it's way through trousers and any other clothing in it's way.

    At this point the poor fellow can not be held responsible for his behavior or actions. It's a condition....a disease...an entitlement of being a male......of having a penis:rolleyes:

    MrBrian wrote:
    almost as stupid as when some states/cities fine women for wearing too little clothing.

    or muslim women in some parts of europe who choose to cover themselves but are not allowed to. pretty stupid laws eh?

    Absolutely. It's all so stupid and archaic.
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    MrBrian wrote:
    through out all of history. the female body has been looked at as something that can be used for destroying empires,bringing down kings. you name it. and it has.

    So from a historical context, men have a lot to fear from the strange,good looking woman on the street.

    Because men are not responsible for their own actions and urges? Because it's all the temptress' fault?
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    NMyTree wrote:
    Because men are not responsible for their own actions and urges? Because it's all the temptress' fault?

    No, what it shows (as I mentioned from a historical point of view) is that us guys are stupid and always have been on some level.

    especially when it comes to women.
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    MrBrian wrote:
    No, what it shows (as I mentioned from a historical point of view) is that us guys are stupid and always have been on some level.

    especially when it comes to women.

    That was my point.
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    NMyTree wrote:
    That was my point.

    ah just expanding on it.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    NMyTree wrote:
    Because men are not responsible for their own actions and urges? Because it's all the temptress' fault?
    But heaven forbid anyone put any restrictions on MEN'S behavior! No, it's always the women.

    I know I've posted about this before, but these stories always remind me of when Golda Meir was the prime minister of Israel. During her tenure, there was a large increase in the number of rapes, and the parliament proposed that there be a curfew on women to protect them. Ms. Meir wasn't too happy with this, and said that if it was men who were doing the raping, it was men who should be under curfew. This was such an outlandish idea ... restrict the MEN?!!?! .... that they dropped talk of curfews entirely.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I'm often embarrassed, ashamed and disgusted by some members of my gender.

    Who am I kidding? Not just some, most of them.
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Native American women suffering shocking rates of rape: Amnesty

    Tue Apr 24, 11:36 AM ET

    WASHINGTON (AFP) - Native American and Alaskan women are suffering rates of rape and sexual violence nearly three times higher than the US national average, Amnesty says in a new study released Tuesday.

    The human rights watchdog said a complex maze of tribal, state and federal jurisdictions often allowed men to rape with impunity, creating a vicious cycle that emboldened rapists and led to more attacks.

    The study cited Justice Department figures which indicated that American Indian and Alaska Native women were 2.5 times more likely to be raped or sexually assaulted than women in the United States in general.

    The figures said more than one in three Native women would be raped in their lifetime, although that figure may in fact be substantially higher because of a traditional reluctance to report sex crimes.

    "Native women are brutalized at an alarming rate, and the United States government, a purported champion of women's rights, is unfortunately contributing to the problem," said Larry Cox, executive director of Amnesty International USA.

    "It is disgraceful that such abuse even exists today. Without immediate action, an already abysmal and outrageous situation for women could spiral even further out of control."

    The Amnesty report "Maze of Injustice: The Failure to Protect Indigenous Women From Sexual Violence in the USA" said many rape investigations stalled as officers tried to establish who the investigating authority was

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070424/ts_alt_afp/usindiannativecrime_070424153637
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    But heaven forbid anyone put any restrictions on MEN'S behavior! No, it's always the women.

    In Iran nobody is permitted to watch Satellite TV.

    There are rules for men, as well as women.

    Here is a nice documentary about such life in Iran
    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=554201962695917482&q=rageh+in+iran
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Ha, all of these threads get converted into rape threads. It seems like the feminazis want to convert every inequality into a rape case.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Ha, all of these threads get converted into rape threads. It seems like the feminazis want to convert every inequality into a rape case.
    Oh Ahnimus :rolleyes:
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    Oh Ahnimus :rolleyes:
    This book is feminist because it is all about self-knowledge and empowerment. It also sits firmly within the area of feminism which offers natural solutions to health issues, avoidance of medical intervention unless necessary, and the presentation of the normal working of women’s bodies as a natural miracle to be embraced rather than supressed (witness the increase of women stressing the positive aspects of menstruation, for example).

    Could it not be considered a biology book or something? Why title it feminist? It makes no sense to me! Now feminism is everything female, how the fuck do I know the difference? Aggh, the sky is falling!

    Also, apparently because I'm a man I can't obtain "self-knowledge and empowerment" holy fuck! Now I have to right a masculine counter-book, to argue men can be enlightened and empowered and we should not submit to the wisdom of women!
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Also, apparently because I'm a man I can't obtain "self-knowledge and empowerment" holy fuck! Now I have to right a masculine counter-book, to argue men can be enlightened and empowered and we should not submit to the wisdom of women!

    Damn, why am I being so nice about it? I shouldn't have said 'wisdom', should have said 'bullshit' cause that's how we get down in this battle of the sexes.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    "mother nature" "father time"

    Nu ah, should be the other way around. Nature is life, time is death.

    Little red riding hood, and you know the big bad wolf has to be a dude.

    Come to think of it, pretty much all the bad people in fairy tales are men, and the good people are women and children. Fuck!
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    But we know women are equal and just as cruel and vile as men. That is what equal means after all.

    Did I mention how boring this board is today?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Anyway, it's a good thing Iran did those, so the Iranian people can use it as a bad example and remind them not to put a fundamentalist in power next time.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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