Iran arrests 300 ‘insufficiently veiled’ women

catefrances

callen wrote:

but be honest......lets pretend your unattached........your asleep...and something awakens you....and its Eddie....and he's naken......and aroused.........and forced himself upon you..........be honest.

okay...maybe this wouldn't be a rape..but a fantasy...but still.

And I do disagree with Ahnimus..if a woman was truely raped..I do agree with you....but Eddie...jeese....

he woke me up from my sleep? it better be in my dreams. i love my sleep and don't take too kindly to being disturbed from its depths.

you act as if eddie vedder is some kind of irresistable demi-God.

small town beck

Ahnimus wrote:

lol. This thread was about rape before I came along.

A dress code has to do with rape? Not likely. The ministry of vice and virtue, smoking crack is a vice(a fucking nasty one at that) not nearly the same thing as raping someone.

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

you act as if eddie vedder is some kind of irresistable demi-God.

He's not?

Damn, he was our last hope for men. Now we are truly doomed.

hippiemom

callen wrote:

admit it....there's no freakin way Eddie would be able to rape you then.... (-:

Ok, believe it or not, I do not like to have sex with men I don't know. I don't care if other people do it, but it's not for me. It doesn't matter how sexy or attractive the guy is. Now, if Ed and I got to know each other and genuinely liked one another, and if neither of us were married, that's a different story. But Ed jumping out of the bushes or creeping into my room at night .... yeah, I'd punch him or worse.

Ahnimus

small town beck wrote:

A dress code has to do with rape? Not likely. The ministry of vice and virtue, smoking crack is a vice(a fucking nasty one at that) not nearly the same thing as raping someone.

Is the latter implied to be a virtue , or I'm not understanding are they both vices?

I believe the word rape appeared within the first two pages.

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

He's not?

Damn, he was our last hope for men. Now we are truly doomed.

if eddie was your last hope then you are truly doomed. i'm sure like all humans (except perhaps for the dalai llama) ed has the ability to come across as offensive.

callen

hippiemom wrote:

Ok, believe it or not, I do not like to have sex with men I don't know. I don't care if other people do it, but it's not for me. It doesn't matter how sexy or attractive the guy is. Now, if Ed and I got to know each other and genuinely liked one another, and if neither of us were married, that's a different story. But Ed jumping out of the bushes or creeping into my room at night .... yeah, I'd punch him or worse.

was just having fun....wasnt' really serious...........

now with that behind me.....do you not feel that you do know Eddie....in some ways???.......yea alot of what he portrays may be show business...but still.

callen

catefrances wrote:

he woke me up from my sleep? it better be in my dreams. i love my sleep and don't take too kindly to being disturbed from its depths.

you act as if eddie vedder is some kind of irresistable demi-God.

don't fk with my sleep.....

on the Eddie thing....was thinking he provided all that women wanted.....money, looks, fame...security......

yes I'm attempting to be funny.....

hippiemom

callen wrote:

was just having fun....wasnt' really serious...........

now with that behind me.....do you not feel that you do know Eddie....in some ways???.......yea alot of what he portrays may be show business...but still.

I do feel that I know him somewhat, certainly much better than I know the average person that I don't know, if that makes any sense. I met him briefly and I liked him, he seemed to like me well enough, or at least pretended to, lol. But it's not like there were sparks going off or anything.

If the whole idea of hooking up with Ed weren't so totally ridiculous ... if he were a regular guy, that is ... I'd put him on the list of possibilities, but I'd still want to know him a lot better before I got naked and hopped into bed

small town beck

hippiemom wrote:

I do feel that I know him somewhat, certainly much better than I know the average person that I don't know, if that makes any sense. I met him briefly and I liked him, he seemed to like me well enough, or at least pretended to, lol. But it's not like there were sparks going off or anything.

If the whole idea of hooking up with Ed weren't so totally ridiculous ... if he were a regular guy, that is ... I'd put him on the list of possibilities, but I'd still want to know him a lot better before I got naked and hopped into bed

Do you mean I am NOT going to get to hook up with Eddie? damn...

catefrances

callen wrote:

don't fk with my sleep.....

on the Eddie thing....was thinking he provided all that women wanted.....money, looks, fame...security......

yes I'm attempting to be funny.....

attempting being the operative word there.

small town beck

Ahnimus wrote:

Is the latter implied to be a virtue , or I'm not understanding are they both vices?

I believe the word rape appeared within the first two pages.

No that is what the department is called as to keep your virtue and get rid of your vices as though that shouldn't be your own call. Maybe it doens't have that EXACT title in Iran but in other countries that is what it is called.

callen

hippiemom wrote:

I do feel that I know him somewhat, certainly much better than I know the average person that I don't know, if that makes any sense. I met him briefly and I liked him, he seemed to like me well enough, or at least pretended to, lol. But it's not like there were sparks going off or anything.

If the whole idea of hooking up with Ed weren't so totally ridiculous ... if he were a regular guy, that is ... I'd put him on the list of possibilities, but I'd still want to know him a lot better before I got naked and hopped into bed

appreciate your honesty....

soulsinging

hippiemom wrote:

Ok, believe it or not, I do not like to have sex with men I don't know. I don't care if other people do it, but it's not for me. It doesn't matter how sexy or attractive the guy is. Now, if Ed and I got to know each other and genuinely liked one another, and if neither of us were married, that's a different story. But Ed jumping out of the bushes or creeping into my room at night .... yeah, I'd punch him or worse.

there's a certainy irony in the women talking about this ed-rape fantasy being the same women who no doubt would throw a conniption fit over the groupie practices of limp bizkit.

tara

soulsinging wrote:

there's a certainy irony in the women talking about this ed-rape fantasy being the same women who no doubt would throw a conniption fit over the groupie practices of limp bizkit.

if it's a fantasy, it ain't rape. i think ed would be seriously upset about him being used as the example here, he's pretty pro-womens rights, i think he's pretty respectful of women

Ahnimus

tara wrote:

if it's a fantasy, it ain't rape. i think ed would be seriously upset about him being used as the example here, he's pretty pro-womens rights, i think he's pretty respectful of women

Oh yeah, me too

chadwick

they are insane over there.
what a crock of shit.
wake the hell up.
why are ppl bringing ed into this?
i quick readin the thread.

chadwick

chadwick wrote:

they are insane over there.
what a crock of shit.
wake the hell up.
why are ppl bringing ed into this?
i quick readin the thread.

i meant, i quit readin the thread.
mr.typo stuck again with his magical lone typin finger.

Jeanie

chadwick wrote:

i meant, i quit readin the thread.
mr.typo stuck again with his magical lone typin finger.

Well be careful of it chaddles!

It's our only way of reading your writing!!!

deadnothingbetter

Magus wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18277927/

TEHRAN, Iran - With the arrival of spring, Iranian police have launched a crackdown against women accused of not covering up enough, arresting nearly 300 women, some for wearing too tight an overcoat or letting too much hair peek out from under their veil, authorities said Monday.

The campaign in the streets of major cities was the toughest such crackdown in nearly two decades, raising fears that hard-liner President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad intends to re-impose the tough Islamic Revolution-era constraints on women's dress that loosened in past years.

The move highlighted the new boldness among hard-liners in Ahmadinejad's government, which has used mounting Western pressure on Tehran over its nuclear program and Iraq as a pretext to put down internal dissent.

But it could bring a backlash at a time when many Iranians resent Ahmadinejad for failing to boost the faltering economy or halt spiraling prices and blame him for isolating Iran with his fiery rhetoric. The two-day-old crackdown was already angering moderates.

"What they do is really insulting. You simply can't tell people what to wear. They don't understand that use of force only brings hatred toward them, not love," said Elham Mohammadi, a 23-year-old female student.

Her hair was hardly hidden by her white-and-orange headscarf — an infraction that could bring police attention. Police could be seen Monday stopping and giving warnings to other women who were showing too much hair or even wearing too colorful a headscarf.

Looser dress codes are one of the few surviving gains from the era of Ahmadinejad's predecessor, reformist President Mohammad Khatami, who was in power from 1997 to 2005.

During that time, many women, particularly in cities, shed the dress code imposed after the 1979 revolution — veils completely covering the hair and heavy coats or the black or gray head-to-toe chador hiding the shape of the body.

Now it is common to see women in loose headscarves — some as narrow as a ribbon — that show much of their hair and short, colorful, form-fitting jackets that stop at the knee — or even higher — showing jeans underneath. Even under Ahmadinejad in the past two years, women can be seen in pants that leave the bottom of their calves bare.

Any of those styles could bring warnings or detention from the anti-vice police in the current sweep, which began Saturday.

Women among anti-vice police
Anti-vice police — many of them women — have been stopping women in the streets of the capital and other cities if they deem their dress is "un-Islamic."

So far, 278 women have been detained, 231 of whom were released after they signed papers promising they won't appear "inadequately dressed in public," police spokesman Col. Mahi Ahmadi told The Associated Press Monday.



Another 3,548 women have been given "warnings and Islamic guidance," without being detained, Ahmadi said.

Twelve men have also been detained for "not observing the proper Islamic dress code" by wearing tight pants or short-sleeve shirts, he said.

Every spring, there are calls by clerics for a crackdown, and the past two years have seen minor, localized sweeps. But this year's was the first since before Khatami's presidency to see so many arrests and had high prominence in the government media, warning women to adhere to Islamic dress.

Ahmadi said the sweep would go on "as long as necessary," but it was not clear whether it heralded an all-out, permanent campaign to bar looser dress codes.

One hard-liner cleric on Monday warned of a backlash. "In many cases, the use of force in the fight against social harms can backfire," the head of judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi, said, according to the state news agency IRNA.

Qom clerics called for crackdown
But many conservatives were applauding the crackdown, launched after a call from senior hard-line clerics in the holy city of Qom to tighten the reins.

"All are responsible towards the problem of inadequate dress," Ayatollah Nasser Makarem Shirazi, one senior Qom cleric, told newspapers.

Mostafa Pourmohammadi, the interior minister in charge of the campaign, said it would please the people by restoring social stability.

"People are unhappy with the social and moral status of the society. They expect that the fight against social insecurity be properly implemented," Pourmohammadi was quoted in the conservative daily Resalat as saying.

Hard-line lawmaker, Mohammad Taqi Rahbar, said the looser dress codes had prompted Iranian women and families "to cry out" for help. "Men see models in the streets and ignore their own wives at home. This weakens the pillars of family," he said.

Ever since Ahmadinejad won the presidency in 2005 elections, Iranians have been fearing a return to the prohibitions on "un-Islamic" dress, music, male and female mixing and the other restrictions from the revolution's heyday.

But criticism of the president has been increasing as prices for basic good like food and housing have increased in past months — despite his campaign promises to reduce poverty.

"The problem of our country is unemployment, rapid increase in the number of crimes and murders, not women's dress," said Sadeq Rowshani, a bank clerk.

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I really do not know what to say about that. Seems amazing that this is possible in a supposed Republic...

this is what our country needs... instead of women trying to run our country

we need to put women in their places, who's with me?