but be honest......lets pretend your unattached........your asleep...and something awakens you....and its Eddie....and he's naken......and aroused.........and forced himself upon you..........be honest.
okay...maybe this wouldn't be a rape..but a fantasy...but still.
And I do disagree with Ahnimus..if a woman was truely raped..I do agree with you....but Eddie...jeese....
he woke me up from my sleep? it better be in my dreams. i love my sleep and don't take too kindly to being disturbed from its depths.
you act as if eddie vedder is some kind of irresistable demi-God.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
lol. This thread was about rape before I came along.
A dress code has to do with rape? Not likely. The ministry of vice and virtue, smoking crack is a vice(a fucking nasty one at that) not nearly the same thing as raping someone.
you act as if eddie vedder is some kind of irresistable demi-God.
He's not?
Damn, he was our last hope for men. Now we are truly doomed.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
admit it....there's no freakin way Eddie would be able to rape you then.... (-:
Ok, believe it or not, I do not like to have sex with men I don't know. I don't care if other people do it, but it's not for me. It doesn't matter how sexy or attractive the guy is. Now, if Ed and I got to know each other and genuinely liked one another, and if neither of us were married, that's a different story. But Ed jumping out of the bushes or creeping into my room at night .... yeah, I'd punch him or worse.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
A dress code has to do with rape? Not likely. The ministry of vice and virtue, smoking crack is a vice(a fucking nasty one at that) not nearly the same thing as raping someone.
Is the latter implied to be a virtue , or I'm not understanding are they both vices?
I believe the word rape appeared within the first two pages.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Damn, he was our last hope for men. Now we are truly doomed.
if eddie was your last hope then you are truly doomed. i'm sure like all humans (except perhaps for the dalai llama) ed has the ability to come across as offensive.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Ok, believe it or not, I do not like to have sex with men I don't know. I don't care if other people do it, but it's not for me. It doesn't matter how sexy or attractive the guy is. Now, if Ed and I got to know each other and genuinely liked one another, and if neither of us were married, that's a different story. But Ed jumping out of the bushes or creeping into my room at night .... yeah, I'd punch him or worse.
was just having fun....wasnt' really serious...........
now with that behind me.....do you not feel that you do know Eddie....in some ways???.......yea alot of what he portrays may be show business...but still.
was just having fun....wasnt' really serious...........
now with that behind me.....do you not feel that you do know Eddie....in some ways???.......yea alot of what he portrays may be show business...but still.
I do feel that I know him somewhat, certainly much better than I know the average person that I don't know, if that makes any sense. I met him briefly and I liked him, he seemed to like me well enough, or at least pretended to, lol. But it's not like there were sparks going off or anything.
If the whole idea of hooking up with Ed weren't so totally ridiculous ... if he were a regular guy, that is ... I'd put him on the list of possibilities, but I'd still want to know him a lot better before I got naked and hopped into bed
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I do feel that I know him somewhat, certainly much better than I know the average person that I don't know, if that makes any sense. I met him briefly and I liked him, he seemed to like me well enough, or at least pretended to, lol. But it's not like there were sparks going off or anything.
If the whole idea of hooking up with Ed weren't so totally ridiculous ... if he were a regular guy, that is ... I'd put him on the list of possibilities, but I'd still want to know him a lot better before I got naked and hopped into bed
Do you mean I am NOT going to get to hook up with Eddie? damn...
Is the latter implied to be a virtue , or I'm not understanding are they both vices?
I believe the word rape appeared within the first two pages.
No that is what the department is called as to keep your virtue and get rid of your vices as though that shouldn't be your own call. Maybe it doens't have that EXACT title in Iran but in other countries that is what it is called.
I do feel that I know him somewhat, certainly much better than I know the average person that I don't know, if that makes any sense. I met him briefly and I liked him, he seemed to like me well enough, or at least pretended to, lol. But it's not like there were sparks going off or anything.
If the whole idea of hooking up with Ed weren't so totally ridiculous ... if he were a regular guy, that is ... I'd put him on the list of possibilities, but I'd still want to know him a lot better before I got naked and hopped into bed
Ok, believe it or not, I do not like to have sex with men I don't know. I don't care if other people do it, but it's not for me. It doesn't matter how sexy or attractive the guy is. Now, if Ed and I got to know each other and genuinely liked one another, and if neither of us were married, that's a different story. But Ed jumping out of the bushes or creeping into my room at night .... yeah, I'd punch him or worse.
there's a certainy irony in the women talking about this ed-rape fantasy being the same women who no doubt would throw a conniption fit over the groupie practices of limp bizkit.
there's a certainy irony in the women talking about this ed-rape fantasy being the same women who no doubt would throw a conniption fit over the groupie practices of limp bizkit.
if it's a fantasy, it ain't rape. i think ed would be seriously upset about him being used as the example here, he's pretty pro-womens rights, i think he's pretty respectful of women
No problem can be solved from the same consciousness that created it.
Albert Einstein
if it's a fantasy, it ain't rape. i think ed would be seriously upset about him being used as the example here, he's pretty pro-womens rights, i think he's pretty respectful of women
Oh yeah, me too
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
TEHRAN, Iran - With the arrival of spring, Iranian police have launched a crackdown against women accused of not covering up enough, arresting nearly 300 women, some for wearing too tight an overcoat or letting too much hair peek out from under their veil, authorities said Monday.
The campaign in the streets of major cities was the toughest such crackdown in nearly two decades, raising fears that hard-liner President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad intends to re-impose the tough Islamic Revolution-era constraints on women's dress that loosened in past years.
The move highlighted the new boldness among hard-liners in Ahmadinejad's government, which has used mounting Western pressure on Tehran over its nuclear program and Iraq as a pretext to put down internal dissent.
But it could bring a backlash at a time when many Iranians resent Ahmadinejad for failing to boost the faltering economy or halt spiraling prices and blame him for isolating Iran with his fiery rhetoric. The two-day-old crackdown was already angering moderates.
"What they do is really insulting. You simply can't tell people what to wear. They don't understand that use of force only brings hatred toward them, not love," said Elham Mohammadi, a 23-year-old female student.
Her hair was hardly hidden by her white-and-orange headscarf — an infraction that could bring police attention. Police could be seen Monday stopping and giving warnings to other women who were showing too much hair or even wearing too colorful a headscarf.
Looser dress codes are one of the few surviving gains from the era of Ahmadinejad's predecessor, reformist President Mohammad Khatami, who was in power from 1997 to 2005.
During that time, many women, particularly in cities, shed the dress code imposed after the 1979 revolution — veils completely covering the hair and heavy coats or the black or gray head-to-toe chador hiding the shape of the body.
Now it is common to see women in loose headscarves — some as narrow as a ribbon — that show much of their hair and short, colorful, form-fitting jackets that stop at the knee — or even higher — showing jeans underneath. Even under Ahmadinejad in the past two years, women can be seen in pants that leave the bottom of their calves bare.
Any of those styles could bring warnings or detention from the anti-vice police in the current sweep, which began Saturday.
Women among anti-vice police
Anti-vice police — many of them women — have been stopping women in the streets of the capital and other cities if they deem their dress is "un-Islamic."
So far, 278 women have been detained, 231 of whom were released after they signed papers promising they won't appear "inadequately dressed in public," police spokesman Col. Mahi Ahmadi told The Associated Press Monday.
Another 3,548 women have been given "warnings and Islamic guidance," without being detained, Ahmadi said.
Twelve men have also been detained for "not observing the proper Islamic dress code" by wearing tight pants or short-sleeve shirts, he said.
Every spring, there are calls by clerics for a crackdown, and the past two years have seen minor, localized sweeps. But this year's was the first since before Khatami's presidency to see so many arrests and had high prominence in the government media, warning women to adhere to Islamic dress.
Ahmadi said the sweep would go on "as long as necessary," but it was not clear whether it heralded an all-out, permanent campaign to bar looser dress codes.
One hard-liner cleric on Monday warned of a backlash. "In many cases, the use of force in the fight against social harms can backfire," the head of judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi, said, according to the state news agency IRNA.
Qom clerics called for crackdown
But many conservatives were applauding the crackdown, launched after a call from senior hard-line clerics in the holy city of Qom to tighten the reins.
"All are responsible towards the problem of inadequate dress," Ayatollah Nasser Makarem Shirazi, one senior Qom cleric, told newspapers.
Mostafa Pourmohammadi, the interior minister in charge of the campaign, said it would please the people by restoring social stability.
"People are unhappy with the social and moral status of the society. They expect that the fight against social insecurity be properly implemented," Pourmohammadi was quoted in the conservative daily Resalat as saying.
Hard-line lawmaker, Mohammad Taqi Rahbar, said the looser dress codes had prompted Iranian women and families "to cry out" for help. "Men see models in the streets and ignore their own wives at home. This weakens the pillars of family," he said.
Ever since Ahmadinejad won the presidency in 2005 elections, Iranians have been fearing a return to the prohibitions on "un-Islamic" dress, music, male and female mixing and the other restrictions from the revolution's heyday.
But criticism of the president has been increasing as prices for basic good like food and housing have increased in past months — despite his campaign promises to reduce poverty.
"The problem of our country is unemployment, rapid increase in the number of crimes and murders, not women's dress," said Sadeq Rowshani, a bank clerk.
I really do not know what to say about that. Seems amazing that this is possible in a supposed Republic...
this is what our country needs... instead of women trying to run our country
we need to put women in their places, who's with me?
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
this is what our country needs... instead of women trying to run our country
we need to put women in their places, who's with me?
Yeah, I have a dream that we will capture all the men, and exterminate those that are not being kept caged for breeding purposes, or who are unable to prove their viability. Who's with me?
Yeah, I have a dream that we will capture all the men, and exterminate those that are not being kept caged for breeding purposes, or who are unable to prove their viability. Who's with me?
just make us sandwiches and keep our cages clean... that's good enough cupcakes
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
Perhaps I am nasty, perhaps I am aggressive. I am human after all, so am capable of these things, just like everybody else.
More likely I am frustrated, and overwhelmed with sadness that women are still sexualized and demonized. That in this day and age, we have women in some parts of the world forced to cover themselves from head to foot because of some ridiculous mandate orchestrated by some men. Just so they can survive. As I am mad that in other parts of the world a woman must undress herself or parade near naked in order to be validated or accepted, by some men, in order to survive.
And I know that is a fairly broad picture I am painting, but think for a minute, about the women who have discussed being objectified here on this thread, and what that actually means in real terms. About how they are forced to live their lives. Never truly free to just be who they are. Always having to be aware of how they are dressed, where they are, how their exterior is being perceived in the world and the ramifications of that.
And think how we will NEVER get to hear on this thread, from the women who are being subjected to walking around completely covered in tents. Completely subjugated and controlled by men even down to what they are wearing, that's before we even get to what they think.
I understand that many men in this world are not part of this situation, but I made my post as an example of just how far fetched things are for women, and how maybe if the shoe was on the other foot, more people would be offended and outraged. Perhaps take the time to consider just how barbaric, at the very least sinister, these types of expectations are when it comes to woman.
I have no desire to cage men, or use them. Or have absolute power over them. But don't think for a minute that there aren't days when women do think this way purely because we are sick and tired of how the world views women and the expectations placed upon us.
And before some of you come blundering in here to scream "feminazi" at me. Really stop and think about what I'm saying. This is not about being a feminist, it's about equality for all us. Men and Women and Children.
It's about the freedom to be who we are. To wear what we please.
And to be accepted and judged by who we are and the things we do and not about how we look.
Jeanie if you really are egalitarian. Why don't you fight for the men of the Tchambuli/Chambri tribe?
See, thing is your focus is on women and I think you tend to overlook the inequalities against men. I've brought up social inequalities in western culture, and you've tried to rationalize them. The domestic violence policies were one example. In-fact, contrary to statistical data, you said it was because of statistical data, and implied that men are inherently more violent and aggressive. Which is simply not the case. So you've made this stereotypical judgement of men, based solely on your own experiences and social prejudices.
Perhaps that is why you see these great atrocities. In Iran women are oppressed to a degree, but not as much as you might think. Cosmetic Surgery is more popular in Iran than it is in the United States. That's a little known fact about Iranian women and culture. This '300 arrested women' is clearly a struggle between the women and the fundamentalist regime. It's indicative of social change, some would consider social progress. The regime has become intolerable to the change in Iranian culture and this is grasping to maintain their ideology. But we can safely guess that this may be the last straw for islamic fundamentalism in Iran. It may not be so much a sign of oppression as a sign of emancipation. If the women were being strongly oppressed to begin with, 300 women wouldn't have had the metaphorical 'balls' to go unveiled in public.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ok, I'll do this S-L-O-W-L-Y because it seems to me that you are having a reading comprehension problem with my posts. And I'm getting a wee bit tired of you projecting your opinions about women onto me.
Jeanie if you really are egalitarian. Why don't you fight for the men of the Tchambuli/Chambri tribe?
So I'm getting the impression from this comment that not only do you think I am incapable of being about equality, but that in order for you to view me as egalitarian I must choose to "fight" for what you deem worthy.
To start with, there's no "fighting" going on here. I support issues and causes as I choose, just as we all do. Secondly, as you know sweet FA about me, I would suggest you have NO IDEA what I "fight" for. Or what causes I support. And as you have never bothered to ask, and seem happy with your assuming, I'll leave you with that.
See, thing is your focus is on women and I think you tend to overlook the inequalities against men. I've brought up social inequalities in western culture, and you've tried to rationalize them. The domestic violence policies were one example. In-fact, contrary to statistical data, you said it was because of statistical data, and implied that men are inherently more violent and aggressive. Which is simply not the case. So you've made this stereotypical judgement of men, based solely on your own experiences and social prejudices.
My focus is on women, IN THIS THREAD, because THIS THREAD is about WOMEN. Now if you are going to bring your assumptions about me from other threads, fine, go ahead, but you were wrong then and you're still wrong now.
In the particular thread that you are referring to, you posted a set of statistics. I disagreed with them and I posted you other statistics which, clearly you disagree with. Fine. We disagree. Who is to say which one of us is correct? And frankly who cares? But please, do not start telling me about MY stereotypical judgements on men based "solely on your own experiences and social prejudices" or at this point I will bring to the argument your thread "Oppressive Female Regimes" and say that clearly, based on that alone, in my opinion, filtered by my own biases and projecting my opinions onto you, you have a misogynistic view of women based on your blatant oedipus complex. I'd be wrong most likely but hey, seems this is all about the personal attack and blatant assumption, so why should I care?
Perhaps that is why you see these great atrocities. In Iran women are oppressed to a degree, but not as much as you might think. Cosmetic Surgery is more popular in Iran than it is in the United States. That's a little known fact about Iranian women and culture. This '300 arrested women' is clearly a struggle between the women and the fundamentalist regime. It's indicative of social change, some would consider social progress. The regime has become intolerable to the change in Iranian culture and this is grasping to maintain their ideology. But we can safely guess that this may be the last straw for islamic fundamentalism in Iran. It may not be so much a sign of oppression as a sign of emancipation. If the women were being strongly oppressed to begin with, 300 women wouldn't have had the metaphorical 'balls' to go unveiled in public.
I don't even know where to begin with this.
Frankly you sound more like Pollyanna than I normally do.
Perhaps let us look at what history has shown us about hard line muslim fundamentalists around the globe and the ramifications that has had on women in terms of their dress, their education, their right to work, and a plethora of other freedoms. If as you say, these 300 women with the "metaphorical balls to go unveiled in public" actually bring about "the last straw in islamic fundementalism in Iran" no body would be happier than me. But seriously???? GET REAL! There's a snowflakes chance in hell that's gonna happen.
clearly, based on that alone, in my opinion, filtered by my own biases and projecting my opinions onto you, you have a misogynistic view of women based on your blatant oedipus complex. I'd be wrong most likely
no you wouldnt, i dont think. this is a pretty textbook case of oedipal complex in action. i thought i was disdainful towards women, but he makes me feel like gloria steinem.
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he woke me up from my sleep? it better be in my dreams. i love my sleep and don't take too kindly to being disturbed from its depths.
you act as if eddie vedder is some kind of irresistable demi-God.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
A dress code has to do with rape? Not likely. The ministry of vice and virtue, smoking crack is a vice(a fucking nasty one at that) not nearly the same thing as raping someone.
He's not?
Damn, he was our last hope for men. Now we are truly doomed.
Is the latter implied to be a virtue , or I'm not understanding are they both vices?
I believe the word rape appeared within the first two pages.
if eddie was your last hope then you are truly doomed.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
was just having fun....wasnt' really serious...........
now with that behind me.....do you not feel that you do know Eddie....in some ways???.......yea alot of what he portrays may be show business...but still.
don't fk with my sleep.....
on the Eddie thing....was thinking he provided all that women wanted.....money, looks, fame...security......
yes I'm attempting to be funny.....
If the whole idea of hooking up with Ed weren't so totally ridiculous ... if he were a regular guy, that is ... I'd put him on the list of possibilities, but I'd still want to know him a lot better before I got naked and hopped into bed
Do you mean I am NOT going to get to hook up with Eddie?
attempting being the operative word there.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
No that is what the department is called as to keep your virtue and get rid of your vices as though that shouldn't be your own call. Maybe it doens't have that EXACT title in Iran but in other countries that is what it is called.
appreciate your honesty....
there's a certainy irony in the women talking about this ed-rape fantasy being the same women who no doubt would throw a conniption fit over the groupie practices of limp bizkit.
if it's a fantasy, it ain't rape. i think ed would be seriously upset about him being used as the example here, he's pretty pro-womens rights, i think he's pretty respectful of women
Albert Einstein
Oh yeah, me too
what a crock of shit.
wake the hell up.
why are ppl bringing ed into this?
i quick readin the thread.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
i meant, i quit readin the thread.
mr.typo stuck again with his magical lone typin finger.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
It's our only way of reading your writing!!!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
we need to put women in their places, who's with me?
Yeah, I have a dream that we will capture all the men, and exterminate those that are not being kept caged for breeding purposes, or who are unable to prove their viability. Who's with me?
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Sit down and be quiet!!!
Nobody asked you what you thought.
You'll need that energy for later.
Now lick my boot.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
More likely I am frustrated, and overwhelmed with sadness that women are still sexualized and demonized. That in this day and age, we have women in some parts of the world forced to cover themselves from head to foot because of some ridiculous mandate orchestrated by some men. Just so they can survive. As I am mad that in other parts of the world a woman must undress herself or parade near naked in order to be validated or accepted, by some men, in order to survive.
And I know that is a fairly broad picture I am painting, but think for a minute, about the women who have discussed being objectified here on this thread, and what that actually means in real terms. About how they are forced to live their lives. Never truly free to just be who they are. Always having to be aware of how they are dressed, where they are, how their exterior is being perceived in the world and the ramifications of that.
And think how we will NEVER get to hear on this thread, from the women who are being subjected to walking around completely covered in tents. Completely subjugated and controlled by men even down to what they are wearing, that's before we even get to what they think.
I understand that many men in this world are not part of this situation, but I made my post as an example of just how far fetched things are for women, and how maybe if the shoe was on the other foot, more people would be offended and outraged. Perhaps take the time to consider just how barbaric, at the very least sinister, these types of expectations are when it comes to woman.
I have no desire to cage men, or use them. Or have absolute power over them. But don't think for a minute that there aren't days when women do think this way purely because we are sick and tired of how the world views women and the expectations placed upon us.
And before some of you come blundering in here to scream "feminazi" at me. Really stop and think about what I'm saying. This is not about being a feminist, it's about equality for all us. Men and Women and Children.
It's about the freedom to be who we are. To wear what we please.
And to be accepted and judged by who we are and the things we do and not about how we look.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
See, thing is your focus is on women and I think you tend to overlook the inequalities against men. I've brought up social inequalities in western culture, and you've tried to rationalize them. The domestic violence policies were one example. In-fact, contrary to statistical data, you said it was because of statistical data, and implied that men are inherently more violent and aggressive. Which is simply not the case. So you've made this stereotypical judgement of men, based solely on your own experiences and social prejudices.
Perhaps that is why you see these great atrocities. In Iran women are oppressed to a degree, but not as much as you might think. Cosmetic Surgery is more popular in Iran than it is in the United States. That's a little known fact about Iranian women and culture. This '300 arrested women' is clearly a struggle between the women and the fundamentalist regime. It's indicative of social change, some would consider social progress. The regime has become intolerable to the change in Iranian culture and this is grasping to maintain their ideology. But we can safely guess that this may be the last straw for islamic fundamentalism in Iran. It may not be so much a sign of oppression as a sign of emancipation. If the women were being strongly oppressed to begin with, 300 women wouldn't have had the metaphorical 'balls' to go unveiled in public.
So I'm getting the impression from this comment that not only do you think I am incapable of being about equality, but that in order for you to view me as egalitarian I must choose to "fight" for what you deem worthy.
To start with, there's no "fighting" going on here. I support issues and causes as I choose, just as we all do. Secondly, as you know sweet FA about me, I would suggest you have NO IDEA what I "fight" for. Or what causes I support. And as you have never bothered to ask, and seem happy with your assuming, I'll leave you with that.
My focus is on women, IN THIS THREAD, because THIS THREAD is about WOMEN. Now if you are going to bring your assumptions about me from other threads, fine, go ahead, but you were wrong then and you're still wrong now.
In the particular thread that you are referring to, you posted a set of statistics. I disagreed with them and I posted you other statistics which, clearly you disagree with. Fine. We disagree. Who is to say which one of us is correct? And frankly who cares? But please, do not start telling me about MY stereotypical judgements on men based "solely on your own experiences and social prejudices" or at this point I will bring to the argument your thread "Oppressive Female Regimes" and say that clearly, based on that alone, in my opinion, filtered by my own biases and projecting my opinions onto you, you have a misogynistic view of women based on your blatant oedipus complex. I'd be wrong most likely but hey, seems this is all about the personal attack and blatant assumption, so why should I care?
I don't even know where to begin with this.
Frankly you sound more like Pollyanna than I normally do.
Perhaps let us look at what history has shown us about hard line muslim fundamentalists around the globe and the ramifications that has had on women in terms of their dress, their education, their right to work, and a plethora of other freedoms. If as you say, these 300 women with the "metaphorical balls to go unveiled in public" actually bring about "the last straw in islamic fundementalism in Iran" no body would be happier than me. But seriously???? GET REAL! There's a snowflakes chance in hell that's gonna happen.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
no you wouldnt, i dont think. this is a pretty textbook case of oedipal complex in action. i thought i was disdainful towards women, but he makes me feel like gloria steinem.