no doubt, you're a big bear man, w/ big teeth and fuckin claws!!!!!
no, but im not going to demean my contributions to the cycle of life as nothing more than fluid contributor to the glorious wonderful amazing creators that are women. the counterpart to white guilt is male guilt. and i dont feel guilty.
However, the only thing I would like to add is that people who believe in God aren't supposed to shove things down peoples' throats, however, if the question arises, it needs to be answered.
To a Christian (a real one anyway), it's a kind warning out of care for somebody (yes, that is what it is, even though other people view it as being self-righteous). I personally keep it to myself, and I only asked this question because this is a message board made for discussing things. Everybody chooses their own path, and as long as it does not harm anybody else, I don't care what they do. I think it's offensive some of the stuff that is said about God, but like fury said, just because retribution isn't immediate, doesn't mean it's not going to happen.
So, some people don't believe in God, fine, that's their choice, but it doesn't give them the right to say blasphemous things about him, just like me thinking homosexuality is a sin doesn't give me the right to say nasty things about them. And I haven't.
how would the people who don't believe in god know what is blasphemous? if you don't believe in god, isnt simply speaking that out loud blasphemous to you?
There are people who have chosen to live a gay lifestyle, HOWEVER, I strongly feel they were born with those tendencies. They didn't choose to be gay, they chose to be true to themselves and not hide who they are. This I respect very much. I certainly don't look at them as sinners and it isn't my place to do so.
so what you're saying is they willingly chose to live a gay lifestyle to go against the word of God. whether YOU look at them as sinners or not, it is against God's word, therefore it is a sin because of God's word. if you're saying no, then you don't believe in God's word. God's word is already their judge. so YOU respect that very much, huh...someone who willingly goes against God's word.
The bottom line is that people should mind their own business, stick to their own beliefs, worry about what their own agenda is, and stop preaching right and wrong as if they have the authority to do so.
if Moses, David, Jesus, Peter, and Paul all minded their own business, stuck to their own beliefs, worried about their own agenda, and didn't preach right and wrong, we wouldn't have the Bible and Christianity spread around the world. many prophets and apostles were killed in the name of God for YOU to even have the knowledge you do about Him. i guess they should've just minded their own business.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
if Moses, David, Jesus, Peter, and Paul all minded their own business, stuck to their own beliefs, worried about their own agenda, and didn't preach right and wrong, we wouldn't have the Bible and Christianity spread around the world. many prophets and apostles were killed in the name of God for YOU to even have the knowledge you do about Him. i guess they should've just minded their own business.
man... that's a pleasant dream...
the people in the heaven's gate cult died for their beliefs too. that mean their beliefs should be gospel?
so what you're saying is they willingly chose to live a gay lifestyle to go against the word of God. whether YOU look at them as sinners or not, it is against God's word, therefore it is a sin because of God's word. if you're saying no, then you don't believe in God's word. God's word is already their judge. so YOU respect that very much, huh...someone who willingly goes against God's word.
if Moses, David, Jesus, Peter, and Paul all minded their own business, stuck to their own beliefs, worried about their own agenda, and didn't preach right and wrong, we wouldn't have the Bible and Christianity spread around the world. many prophets and apostles were killed in the name of God for YOU to even have the knowledge you do about Him. i guess they should've just minded their own business.
Hehe. Your God is funny. I like Jobu better because Jesus Christ cannot hit a curveball. I agree about Peter and Paul not minding their own business -- if they would have we never would have had the hit "If I Had a Hammer" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter,_Paul_and_Mary
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so what you're saying is they willingly chose to live a gay lifestyle to go against the word of God. whether YOU look at them as sinners or not, it is against God's word, therefore it is a sin because of God's word. if you're saying no, then you don't believe in God's word. God's word is already their judge. so YOU respect that very much, huh...someone who willingly goes against God's word.
if Moses, David, Jesus, Peter, and Paul all minded their own business, stuck to their own beliefs, worried about their own agenda, and didn't preach right and wrong, we wouldn't have the Bible and Christianity spread around the world. many prophets and apostles were killed in the name of God for YOU to even have the knowledge you do about Him. i guess they should've just minded their own business.
that's why I find certain Catholic people funny... the bible/their belief etc. doubles back on itself and contradicts itself alot. so when they start discussions it seems like they talk in circles or bring up points that only contradict a previous point that was made.
pretty much the only thing i "like" about religions is to "be nice" to everyone...
except most of them preach that and don't follow it anyway.
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the people in the heaven's gate cult died for their beliefs too. that mean their beliefs should be gospel?
their beliefs were gospel to them, and maybe there are still people who believe in the heaven's gate. just like there is a gospel of buddha. just like the koran is gospel to the muslims. just like the bible is gospel to christians. there are many gospels, but only ONE TRUE gospel. souls are at stake so people best be confident in what they decide to follow.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
their beliefs were gospel to them, and maybe there are still people who believe in the heaven's gate. just like there is a gospel of buddha. just like the koran is gospel to the muslims. just like the bible is gospel to christians. there are many gospels, but only ONE TRUE gospel. souls are at stake so people best be confident in what they decide to follow.
how do you know yours is the one true gospel? im guessing muslims would say the koran is the one true gospel. im guessing buddhists say the buddha's gospel is the one true gospel. if they're both wrong, isn't it possible you are too?
I don't mock homosexuals because there's nothing terribly funny about homosexuality.
I don't mock god because I don't believe he exists, at least not the personal god envisioned by most religions.
I don't mock people of faith who mind their own business and aren't running around hypocritically telling everyone else how to live.
I do occasionally mock human-created religious doctrine when I find it amusing, and I never pass up an opportunity to mock religious nut-jobs like Fred Phelps or Pat Robertson, or Osama, or pretty much any fundamentalist.
u forgot bush in that list hm
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that's why I find certain Catholic people funny... the bible/their belief etc. doubles back on itself and contradicts itself alot. so when they start discussions it seems like they talk in circles or bring up points that only contradict a previous point that was made.
pretty much the only thing i "like" about religions is to "be nice" to everyone...
except most of them preach that and don't follow it anyway.
there are man-made views and traditions which have NOTHING to do with God's word. it was going on during the time of Christ and it still goes on today.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
Why is it okay for people to mock God and religion, but it's not okay to mock homosexuals?
I just wondered because I see religion mocked constantly, yet somebody says something about a gay person, and people flip out.
because people can't help being homosexual. it's not their decision.
how do you know yours is the one true gospel? im guessing muslims would say the koran is the one true gospel. im guessing buddhists say the buddha's gospel is the one true gospel. if they're both wrong, isn't it possible you are too?
sure, it's possible to other people that i could be wrong. i'm confident that i'm right. if you search for the truth you'll find it. also, i'm not the type of person who tries to disprove everything. if it makes sense, it makes sense. it makes sense to me that there are four different accounts of Jesus performing miracles and also rising from the dead. in the old testament there are prophecies of his coming and his crucifixion, down to the soldiers casting lots for his clothing. the apostle paul used to crucify jesus and the church, even witnessing the death of stephen for being a follower of Christ. why all of a sudden did he change his ways and start following Christ? paul became one of the most important apostles spreading the word of Christ to the gentiles. there must be an IMPORTANT reason why he changed his views and then ended up suffering persecution himself for it. i'm not here to shove ANYTHING down anyone's throat. each person has a choice to seek it out and decide for themselves. i'm just here to add to this discussion.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
sure, it's possible to other people that i could be wrong. i'm confident that i'm right. if you search for the truth you'll find it. also, i'm not the type of person who tries to disprove everything. if it makes sense, it makes sense. it makes sense to me that there are four different accounts of Jesus performing miracles and also rising from the dead. in the old testament there are prophecies of his coming and his crucifixion, down to the soldiers casting lots for his clothing. the apostle paul used to crucify jesus and the church, even witnessing the death of stephen for being a follower of Christ. why all of a sudden did he change his ways and start following Christ? paul became one of the most important apostles spreading the word of Christ to the gentiles. there must be an IMPORTANT reason why he changed his views and then ended up suffering persecution himself for it. i'm not here to shove ANYTHING down anyone's throat. each person has a choice to seek it out and decide for themselves. i'm just here to add to this discussion.
who knows? why was i a drug addict and suddenly one day i just stopped? in any case, knock yourself out. weird things happen all the time in this world. the bible and jesus have no stranglehold on miracles. they just got theirs more widely published.
who knows? why was i a drug addict and suddenly one day i just stopped? in any case, knock yourself out. weird things happen all the time in this world. the bible and jesus have no stranglehold on miracles. they just got theirs more widely published.
if that's how you feel, that's how you feel. anyway, glad you were able to kick your drug addiction.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
if Moses, David, Jesus, Peter, and Paul all minded their own business, stuck to their own beliefs, worried about their own agenda, and didn't preach right and wrong, we wouldn't have the Bible and Christianity spread around the world. many prophets and apostles were killed in the name of God for YOU to even have the knowledge you do about Him. i guess they should've just minded their own business.
*sigh*
if only
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
sure, it's possible to other people that i could be wrong. i'm confident that i'm right. if you search for the truth you'll find it. also, i'm not the type of person who tries to disprove everything. if it makes sense, it makes sense. it makes sense to me that there are four different accounts of Jesus performing miracles and also rising from the dead. in the old testament there are prophecies of his coming and his crucifixion, down to the soldiers casting lots for his clothing. the apostle paul used to crucify jesus and the church, even witnessing the death of stephen for being a follower of Christ. why all of a sudden did he change his ways and start following Christ? paul became one of the most important apostles spreading the word of Christ to the gentiles. there must be an IMPORTANT reason why he changed his views and then ended up suffering persecution himself for it. i'm not here to shove ANYTHING down anyone's throat. each person has a choice to seek it out and decide for themselves. i'm just here to add to this discussion.
truth is subjective. one person's truth is another person's fallacy. paul's conviction is just like your conviction which is possibly not like anyone else's. you believe with every fibre of your being that jesus is the son of God and that you shall be saved. me, i don't believe a word of the bible. though i do believe jesus was a real person. the premise that he was divine sways me not in the least. every day we see examples of sects where the members truly belive in what their 'messiah' is preaching. and they themselves will be saved. society finds these people blasphemous when they preach their doctrine, much like the jews found jesus. and yes you are correct, each person does have a choice to seek out for themselves their individual spirituality, whether or not that means finding it within organised religion is something i nor you can answer. nor should it be expected that they will find it within the confines of organised religion.
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Why is it okay for people to mock God and religion, but it's not okay to mock homosexuals?
I just wondered because I see religion mocked constantly, yet somebody says something about a gay person, and people flip out.
How about a religious homosexual?.....let the mocking begin.
one foot in the door
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
Why is it okay for people to mock God and religion, but it's not okay to mock homosexuals?
I just wondered because I see religion mocked constantly, yet somebody says something about a gay person, and people flip out.
Same reason people are not supposed to mock, nationality, retardedness, skin colour, etc. But with religion, they want to use it for gain, they pay the price.
Isn't the question wrongly asked?
Shouldn't it be "Why is it wrong to mock homosexuality but not active faith" as both are lifestyles. And yes faith may be a choice but true faith sure looks like a powerful drive.
And no there is no proof of homosexuality being gene related. There are theories and supposition, but please stop claiming theses as facts.
And Ahnimus, I have no idea where you learned science but you've got a little more thinking to do. As science isn't just a compilation of facts, it's also a philosophy.
This thread was started with the fallacy that it's not O.K. to make fun of homosexuals. At what point did that become true? People make fun of homosexuals all the time - on television, in print, in songs. Most of it is reasonably good natured, sure, but a lot of it isn't. Kinda the same with religion.
truth is subjective. one person's truth is another person's fallacy.
that is true. although, there is ONE TRUTH, there can't be two(whether you believe i'm right or in another way), and when death finally comes, that truth will be revealed. if you believe in a spirit that gives your fleshly body its life, then that spirit continues on somewhere, unless you believe that there is an end to both, which doesn't hold water with me. it's ingrained in us to want to live, otherwise people wouldn't be fighting for their lives everyday when they face death. we WANT to live, and we're made to live, and even made to live ON. but back to what i was originally saying, whether we're alive or dead, the truth will come to all of us sooner or later.
you believe with every fibre of your being that jesus is the son of God and that you shall be saved.
i do.
me, i don't believe a word of the bible.
you mean you don't even believe you should treat others the way you want to be treated? you don't believe that you should love? if you say yes, then you believe in a word of the bible.
society finds these people blasphemous when they preach their doctrine, much like the jews found jesus.
the whole society didn't find Jesus blasphemous. it was only the people in power who did. so Bush is in power in the united states, does that mean all of society agrees with what he's doing? people in power are afraid to lose that power, so what better way to keep that power then to hide and get rid of things that are a threat to you.
and yes you are correct, each person does have a choice to seek out for themselves their individual spirituality, whether or not that means finding it within organised religion is something i nor you can answer. nor should it be expected that they will find it within the confines of organised religion.
each person is a caretaker of their soul. there's no one way to find the truth. in fact, some organized religions can hinder you from finding the truth.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
you mean you don't even believe you should treat others the way you want to be treated? you don't believe that you should love? if you say yes, then you believe in a word of the bible.
I think they're talking about all the bullshit made up myths in the bible: The "Great Flood", creation of the Earth, plants and animals, and man, the journey of the Israelites,....the list could go on and on.
that is true. although, there is ONE TRUTH, there can't be two(whether you believe i'm right or in another way), and when death finally comes, that truth will be revealed. if you believe in a spirit that gives your fleshly body its life, then that spirit continues on somewhere, unless you believe that there is an end to both, which doesn't hold water with me. it's ingrained in us to want to live, otherwise people wouldn't be fighting for their lives everyday when they face death. we WANT to live, and we're made to live, and even made to live ON. but back to what i was originally saying, whether we're alive or dead, the truth will come to all of us sooner or later.
you mean you don't even believe you should treat others the way you want to be treated? you don't believe that you should love? if you say yes, then you believe in a word of the bible.
i should have been more clear on this point. and i realise you are being pedantic when you bring up the points that you did. but that's okay, because as i said i should have been clearer. i doubt loving my fellow Man and treating them the way i wish to be treated was a concept exclusive to the new christians. having said that the concept of respect is not something i personally received from reading the bible. the story contained within its pages is a great story. but to me that's all it is. the bible is just a book among the many on my shelves. and yes i do read it more often than people who know would even imagine. there are many many people who extol the virtues of religion based on the bible and yet do not apply them to their lives. they choose what is convenient for them and what will further their own agenda, yet still maintain that they are christians. and they use their hypocritical magnanimity to challenge other religions. i am sure there are inconsistencies in other religions but i live in what could be described as a secular christian society and so can only comment on what i am exposed to.
the whole society didn't find Jesus blasphemous. it was only the people in power who did. so Bush is in power in the united states, does that mean all of society agrees with what he's doing? people in power are afraid to lose that power, so what better way to keep that power then to hide and get rid of things that are a threat to you.
how do you know? were you there? this is something we can't possibly know without bias, considering the source of our knowledge.
and it would appear to me that the majority of people do support what bush is doing otherwise he would not have been voted in for a second term. if it is untrue then something is terribly wrong with american society that they would allow this man to run their lives and do what he does in their name.
each person is a caretaker of their soul. there's no one way to find the truth. in fact, some organized religions can hinder you from finding the truth.
at last something we can agree on.
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when you're on trial in a court of law, aren't you judged on the basis of one truth? it would be impossible to judge rightly if you're judging a case on a divided truth. the truth can't be divided. a divided truth is unharmonious.
i would quote the bible, but since you don't believe in the bible i'd just be wasting my time. if you don't have the instinct in your heart to live on, then i'd be very surprised. i believe in a spirit that gives life to our body in this imperfect world, and i don't think this imperfect world is the end of the spirit in this body.
the bible is just a book among the many on my shelves.
ok, eddie! haha, reminded me of Sometimes from No Code.
there are many many people who extol the virtues of religion based on the bible and yet do not apply them to their lives. they choose what is convenient for them and what will further their own agenda, yet still maintain that they are christians.
that is true, and that's why a lot of religions are viewed the way they are. it's there own fault, and the people who extol the virtues of religion based on the bible and don't apply them to their lives are no better than someone who doesn't believe in God at all. it's an all or nothing situation. you're either serving God or you're not. the people who live to further there own agenda are only fooling themselves because they are living in a lie and are living the opposite way of Christ. in which He called, "the blind leading the blind." i don't concern myself with those kind of people. to me(and what "I" believe), it's a personal relationship with God. even the apostle Peter was worried about what would happen with the apostle John, but Jesus said to Peter, "follow me." in other words, don't worry about HIM, what he's doing and his fate, just put your focus on me and my commandments.
how do you know? were you there? this is something we can't possibly know without bias, considering the source of our knowledge.
how do you know any history that happens be be written in a book? is george washington REALLY the first president of my country? like anything else, it's passed down from generation to generation. this is where a person has to sift out the truth for themselves. the source of my knowledge is God through the writings of matthew, mark, luke, and john. like brothers, they passed it down from generation to generation. so, do i know? yes, i do know because i believe through God and them that Jesus was persecuted and crucified for the sins of many, including myself.
and it would appear to me that the majority of people do support what bush is doing otherwise he would not have been voted in for a second term. if it is untrue then something is terribly wrong with american society that they would allow this man to run their lives and do what he does in their name.
what does it tell you that more people vote for american idol than they did for the last presidential election. i wouldn't say the majority support what bush is doing, but do politicians, even democrats, really have the answers to the solutions of the world? i don't think so. bush doesn't run my life, and i'm not worried about who succeeds him either.
at last something we can agree on.
i have to admit(shhh...don't tell anybody), it feels nice to agree on SOMETHING.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
if you're talking about the God of the Bible, the only true God, then Jesus wouldn't have referred to Him as His Father. would YOU call your father a "she?" i don't think so.
God is the KING...not the queen.
and you heard Jesus say this himself or....you are going by what some men claimed he said and wrote down a loooooong time later?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i was only saying if U had to pick one or the other, but you're right, both are wrong.
anyway, it's God's Word that judges them. if they are a homosexual they are going against God's Word, so that is the ultimate judge.
but you said being gay is the work of the devil and you will go to hell....kinda sounds like you're making a judgement to me....now it has been a good while since i looked at this verse, but i remembered it as 'judge not...' not 'mock not...'
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Pretty strange that God would make homosexuality evil then make homosexuals.
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To be honest tho i have trouble listening to his stupid overly masculine voice....
no, but im not going to demean my contributions to the cycle of life as nothing more than fluid contributor to the glorious wonderful amazing creators that are women. the counterpart to white guilt is male guilt. and i dont feel guilty.
how would the people who don't believe in god know what is blasphemous? if you don't believe in god, isnt simply speaking that out loud blasphemous to you?
so what you're saying is they willingly chose to live a gay lifestyle to go against the word of God. whether YOU look at them as sinners or not, it is against God's word, therefore it is a sin because of God's word. if you're saying no, then you don't believe in God's word. God's word is already their judge. so YOU respect that very much, huh...someone who willingly goes against God's word.
if Moses, David, Jesus, Peter, and Paul all minded their own business, stuck to their own beliefs, worried about their own agenda, and didn't preach right and wrong, we wouldn't have the Bible and Christianity spread around the world. many prophets and apostles were killed in the name of God for YOU to even have the knowledge you do about Him. i guess they should've just minded their own business.
Now when it comes to society deeming what's acceptable and what's not I don't know.
I will say this though we've had freedom of Religion for about oh...a little over 230 years now while Gays still fight for equality.
man... that's a pleasant dream...
the people in the heaven's gate cult died for their beliefs too. that mean their beliefs should be gospel?
Hehe. Your God is funny. I like Jobu better because Jesus Christ cannot hit a curveball. I agree about Peter and Paul not minding their own business -- if they would have we never would have had the hit "If I Had a Hammer"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter,_Paul_and_Mary
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that's why I find certain Catholic people funny... the bible/their belief etc. doubles back on itself and contradicts itself alot. so when they start discussions it seems like they talk in circles or bring up points that only contradict a previous point that was made.
pretty much the only thing i "like" about religions is to "be nice" to everyone...
except most of them preach that and don't follow it anyway.
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their beliefs were gospel to them, and maybe there are still people who believe in the heaven's gate. just like there is a gospel of buddha. just like the koran is gospel to the muslims. just like the bible is gospel to christians. there are many gospels, but only ONE TRUE gospel. souls are at stake so people best be confident in what they decide to follow.
how do you know yours is the one true gospel? im guessing muslims would say the koran is the one true gospel. im guessing buddhists say the buddha's gospel is the one true gospel. if they're both wrong, isn't it possible you are too?
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there are man-made views and traditions which have NOTHING to do with God's word. it was going on during the time of Christ and it still goes on today.
because people can't help being homosexual. it's not their decision.
sure, it's possible to other people that i could be wrong. i'm confident that i'm right. if you search for the truth you'll find it. also, i'm not the type of person who tries to disprove everything. if it makes sense, it makes sense. it makes sense to me that there are four different accounts of Jesus performing miracles and also rising from the dead. in the old testament there are prophecies of his coming and his crucifixion, down to the soldiers casting lots for his clothing. the apostle paul used to crucify jesus and the church, even witnessing the death of stephen for being a follower of Christ. why all of a sudden did he change his ways and start following Christ? paul became one of the most important apostles spreading the word of Christ to the gentiles. there must be an IMPORTANT reason why he changed his views and then ended up suffering persecution himself for it. i'm not here to shove ANYTHING down anyone's throat. each person has a choice to seek it out and decide for themselves. i'm just here to add to this discussion.
who knows? why was i a drug addict and suddenly one day i just stopped? in any case, knock yourself out. weird things happen all the time in this world. the bible and jesus have no stranglehold on miracles. they just got theirs more widely published.
if that's how you feel, that's how you feel. anyway, glad you were able to kick your drug addiction.
if only
truth is subjective. one person's truth is another person's fallacy. paul's conviction is just like your conviction which is possibly not like anyone else's. you believe with every fibre of your being that jesus is the son of God and that you shall be saved. me, i don't believe a word of the bible. though i do believe jesus was a real person. the premise that he was divine sways me not in the least. every day we see examples of sects where the members truly belive in what their 'messiah' is preaching. and they themselves will be saved. society finds these people blasphemous when they preach their doctrine, much like the jews found jesus. and yes you are correct, each person does have a choice to seek out for themselves their individual spirituality, whether or not that means finding it within organised religion is something i nor you can answer. nor should it be expected that they will find it within the confines of organised religion.
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How about a religious homosexual?.....let the mocking begin.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
Same reason people are not supposed to mock, nationality, retardedness, skin colour, etc. But with religion, they want to use it for gain, they pay the price.
Shouldn't it be "Why is it wrong to mock homosexuality but not active faith" as both are lifestyles. And yes faith may be a choice but true faith sure looks like a powerful drive.
And no there is no proof of homosexuality being gene related. There are theories and supposition, but please stop claiming theses as facts.
And Ahnimus, I have no idea where you learned science but you've got a little more thinking to do. As science isn't just a compilation of facts, it's also a philosophy.
that is true. although, there is ONE TRUTH, there can't be two(whether you believe i'm right or in another way), and when death finally comes, that truth will be revealed. if you believe in a spirit that gives your fleshly body its life, then that spirit continues on somewhere, unless you believe that there is an end to both, which doesn't hold water with me. it's ingrained in us to want to live, otherwise people wouldn't be fighting for their lives everyday when they face death. we WANT to live, and we're made to live, and even made to live ON. but back to what i was originally saying, whether we're alive or dead, the truth will come to all of us sooner or later.
i do.
you mean you don't even believe you should treat others the way you want to be treated? you don't believe that you should love? if you say yes, then you believe in a word of the bible.
the whole society didn't find Jesus blasphemous. it was only the people in power who did. so Bush is in power in the united states, does that mean all of society agrees with what he's doing? people in power are afraid to lose that power, so what better way to keep that power then to hide and get rid of things that are a threat to you.
each person is a caretaker of their soul. there's no one way to find the truth. in fact, some organized religions can hinder you from finding the truth.
I think they're talking about all the bullshit made up myths in the bible: The "Great Flood", creation of the Earth, plants and animals, and man, the journey of the Israelites,....the list could go on and on.
who says there is only ONE TRUTH?
and how exactly are we as humans made to live ON?
i should have been more clear on this point. and i realise you are being pedantic when you bring up the points that you did. but that's okay, because as i said i should have been clearer. i doubt loving my fellow Man and treating them the way i wish to be treated was a concept exclusive to the new christians. having said that the concept of respect is not something i personally received from reading the bible. the story contained within its pages is a great story. but to me that's all it is. the bible is just a book among the many on my shelves. and yes i do read it more often than people who know would even imagine. there are many many people who extol the virtues of religion based on the bible and yet do not apply them to their lives. they choose what is convenient for them and what will further their own agenda, yet still maintain that they are christians. and they use their hypocritical magnanimity to challenge other religions. i am sure there are inconsistencies in other religions but i live in what could be described as a secular christian society and so can only comment on what i am exposed to.
how do you know? were you there? this is something we can't possibly know without bias, considering the source of our knowledge.
and it would appear to me that the majority of people do support what bush is doing otherwise he would not have been voted in for a second term. if it is untrue then something is terribly wrong with american society that they would allow this man to run their lives and do what he does in their name.
at last something we can agree on.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
when you're on trial in a court of law, aren't you judged on the basis of one truth? it would be impossible to judge rightly if you're judging a case on a divided truth. the truth can't be divided. a divided truth is unharmonious.
i would quote the bible, but since you don't believe in the bible i'd just be wasting my time. if you don't have the instinct in your heart to live on, then i'd be very surprised. i believe in a spirit that gives life to our body in this imperfect world, and i don't think this imperfect world is the end of the spirit in this body.
ok, eddie! haha, reminded me of Sometimes from No Code.
that is true, and that's why a lot of religions are viewed the way they are. it's there own fault, and the people who extol the virtues of religion based on the bible and don't apply them to their lives are no better than someone who doesn't believe in God at all. it's an all or nothing situation. you're either serving God or you're not. the people who live to further there own agenda are only fooling themselves because they are living in a lie and are living the opposite way of Christ. in which He called, "the blind leading the blind." i don't concern myself with those kind of people. to me(and what "I" believe), it's a personal relationship with God. even the apostle Peter was worried about what would happen with the apostle John, but Jesus said to Peter, "follow me." in other words, don't worry about HIM, what he's doing and his fate, just put your focus on me and my commandments.
how do you know any history that happens be be written in a book? is george washington REALLY the first president of my country? like anything else, it's passed down from generation to generation. this is where a person has to sift out the truth for themselves. the source of my knowledge is God through the writings of matthew, mark, luke, and john. like brothers, they passed it down from generation to generation. so, do i know? yes, i do know because i believe through God and them that Jesus was persecuted and crucified for the sins of many, including myself.
what does it tell you that more people vote for american idol than they did for the last presidential election. i wouldn't say the majority support what bush is doing, but do politicians, even democrats, really have the answers to the solutions of the world? i don't think so. bush doesn't run my life, and i'm not worried about who succeeds him either.
i have to admit(shhh...don't tell anybody), it feels nice to agree on SOMETHING.
and you heard Jesus say this himself or....you are going by what some men claimed he said and wrote down a loooooong time later?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
but you said being gay is the work of the devil and you will go to hell....kinda sounds like you're making a judgement to me....now it has been a good while since i looked at this verse, but i remembered it as 'judge not...' not 'mock not...'
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way