ahh... the greatest cliche of humanity... to be bigger than God.
in regards to your post. now i can figure by now that you don't believe in the Bible so let me give my disclaimer. i'm not gonna try to impose this on you as truth. so take this as a fairy-tale, if you will. this imaginary God that the Bible speaks of is too powerful and too potent to even crawl out of his spiritual domain and cross into the physical realm. if He would've, the entire world would've been consumed completely. just think of the gases in space and the energies that would consume us. God is much more potent than those things. so in this fairy-tale storybook we call the Bible God had to figure a way to redeem humanity because he loved it dearly. now what he did send was His word... this word was the very same thing that created the universe and made light out of darkness. This word was the very same word that became a human form to redeem humanity. God knew exactly what he was going to do and he knew that His son would overcome life for us becuase we had failed so many, many, many times. and even to this point we still fail. So His son Christ came and accomplished a pure life for us so and in resurrecting we would not be held bondage to death anymore. Yes, if this is love... this is the greatest love ever. too bad it's just a fairytale.
holy goofy hocus pocus... you sound like a 6 year old. "MY god is SOOOOOO huge if he came to earth he'd just blow the whole thing up cos he's so big! yeah-huh! ask my mom, she said it's true!"
hippiemom made an excellent point, if god is so loving, then why does he condition his forgiveness, love, and entry into heaven upon you bowing down to worship and swear fealty? no parent i know would do that. no parent i know would demand that a child kneel at their doorstep, beg forgiveness, and say they were wrong when they left before allowing them back into the house. not one.
i'm not quite sure what you're talking about but i'll take a stab at it... i think you're referring to the law. right? the days of moses? the days of sulfur and acid? of fire and brim? that all had to do with the law. a law which was given to the israelites because they didn't want to deal with God on a personal level so they chose the hardway. it has nothing to do with us.
isn't that the part that tells us homosexuality is wrong? so why is it still condemned and persecuted if it has nothing to do with us?
holy goofy hocus pocus... you sound like a 6 year old. "MY god is SOOOOOO huge if he came to earth he'd just blow the whole thing up cos he's so big! yeah-huh! ask my mom, she said it's true!"
hippiemom made an excellent point, if god is so loving, then why does he condition his forgiveness, love, and entry into heaven upon you bowing down to worship and swear fealty? no parent i know would do that. no parent i know would demand that a child kneel at their doorstep, beg forgiveness, and say they were wrong when they left before allowing them back into the house. not one.
ok, soulsinging, i think i've made my point to you before. God doesn't condition his forgiveness and love. the problem is our unbelief. it's so easy to understand it. it's as if i said if you turn the corner here there you can find a place where you can get your flat tire fixed. but because you say, "ha, he's a nutcase, there's no place around here like that." so your tire never gets fixed because you never turned the corner.
it's a strange phenomenon but you'll probably never get it, and you'll keep fighting against it. no matter how i put it.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
ok, soulsinging, i think i've made my point to you before. God doesn't condition his forgiveness and love. the problem is our unbelief. it's so easy to understand it. it's as if i said if you turn the corner here there you can find a place where you can get your flat tire fixed. but because you say, "ha, he's a nutcase, there's no place around here like that." so your tire never gets fixed because you never turned the corner.
it's a strange phenomenon but you'll probably never get it, and you'll keep fighting against it. no matter how i put it.
Worship is a condition. To argue otherwise is retarted. God will love you ON THE CONITION THAT you worship him.
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As you said you were going to sleep Ill understand if you don't reply to this right now.
But come on, what of the REST OF THE WORLD?! Either the Bible is a fictional tale and the author/s didn't know of all the other communities around the world and so left them out or else god is an asshole that let let the actions of a few Isrealites fuck the planets chance of forgiveness for a few thousand years. Not seeing much love in those actions.
yes i know what you mean. it's a question i asked myself too. but it's important to understand this mythical book if you want to understand this part.
this book says that we placed ourselves out of the reach of God. it wasn't God's choice, it was ours. the rest of the world didn't believe in God. they had separated themselves from the knowledge of God... so God didn't resist or dictate their choices. he allowed them to do as they pleased, unfortunately the things that pleased us were bad things like religion, wars, politics and things of that sort. so God tried to find a way to redeem us, so he started with Abraham... and on and on.
it's not that they were condemned because of their unbelief. see, we came from God. he is our source of life, according to the mythical book of course. without our source of life we perish.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
no that's not true. God will love you unconditionally.
Fuck. Right so you are telling me, in contradiction to, ALL CHRISTIAN TEACHING, that god will love me if I don't worship him? That Ill get into heaven etc?
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Fuck. Right so you are telling me, in contradiction to, ALL CHRISTIAN TEACHING, that god will love me if I don't worship him? That Ill get into heaven etc?
well, if that's what most christians teach then let me speak to those who told you this. i will make them stop teaching that. i guarantee it.
God will always love you. he loves the entire world. it is His creation. He'll always love us regardless. but then again he doesn't exist.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
well, if that's what most christians teach then let me speak to those who told you this. i will make them stop teaching that. i guarantee it.
God will always love you. he loves the entire world. it is His creation. He'll always love us regardless. but then again he doesn't exist.
"He doesn't exist", don't evade the question. Jesus said that entry into Heaven was dependant on worhsip of God through him. No room for argument. CONDITIONAL LOVE.
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"He doesn't exist", don't evade the question. Jesus said that entry into Heaven was dependant on worhsip of God through him. No room for argument. CONDITIONAL LOVE.
it's your way of interpreting it that makes a big difference. but if that's the case then i agree. no argument. you're doing the very thing that the bible says everybody does.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
it's your way of interpreting it that makes a big difference. but if that's the case then i agree. no argument. you're doing the very thing that the bible says everybody does.
Is what I said incorrect? And if so is Jesus a liar?
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Is what I said incorrect? And if so is Jesus a liar?
let me ask you this. since when did allowing you to go into heaven equal loving you? God loves you regardless... and heaven is there open to all really. so what's the argument?
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
let me ask you this. since when did allowing you to go into heaven equal loving you? God loves you regardless... and heaven is there open to all really. so what's the argument?
Love is not allowing one to suffer eternal damnation. If I don't worship god I will go to hell, how is that love?
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Love is not allowing one to suffer eternal damnation. If I don't worship god I will go to hell, how is that love?
well that's the thing... God doesn't want us to suffer eternal damnation.. we're the one's that put ourselves in that damnation. God has given us every opportunity to pull our way out.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
well that's the thing... God doesn't want us to suffer eternal damnation.. we're the one's that put ourselves in that damnation. God has given us every opportunity to pull our way out.
How? How does the will determine it's self?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i really don't understand your question... sorry man. please explain.
If I will to do something. How is that will determined and how can the will determine it's self?
If God says do this or go to hell, how can 'I' my 'will' be determined to do so if my 'will' is determined to do otherwise?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"He doesn't exist", don't evade the question. Jesus said that entry into Heaven was dependant on worhsip of God through him. No room for argument. CONDITIONAL LOVE.
yes, you are correct:
I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father except through Me.(John 14:6)
Jesus HAS unconditional love. just the way He lived proved it. Jesus has perfect love. you don't believe so keep living the way you are. Jesus doesn't want your imperfect love in His kingdom.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
well that's the thing... God doesn't want us to suffer eternal damnation.. we're the one's that put ourselves in that damnation. God has given us every opportunity to pull our way out.
HOWEVER, an please actually read what Im saying, the fact that he does send us to hell counteracts your arguement. Thats like Hitler saying that he did what he did out of love.
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I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father except through Me.(John 14:6)
Jesus HAS unconditional love. just the way He lived proved it. Jesus has perfect love. you don't belive so keep living the way you are. Jesus doesn't want your imperfect love in His kingdom.
Sounds like a condition to me
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father except through Me.(John 14:6)
Jesus HAS unconditional love. just the way He lived proved it. Jesus has perfect love. you don't belive so keep living the way you are. Jesus doesn't want your imperfect love in His kingdom.
If thats the love he offers then he can fuck himself, because I don't need to be intimidated into serivtude to a god and a text that promotes sexist, homophobic hatred. I have tried to be about this but forget it. What you have said SHOWS he offers a conditional love.
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ok, soulsinging, i think i've made my point to you before. God doesn't condition his forgiveness and love. the problem is our unbelief. it's so easy to understand it. it's as if i said if you turn the corner here there you can find a place where you can get your flat tire fixed. but because you say, "ha, he's a nutcase, there's no place around here like that." so your tire never gets fixed because you never turned the corner.
it's a strange phenomenon but you'll probably never get it, and you'll keep fighting against it. no matter how i put it.
this explains nothing. you say people cannot get into heaven without accepting jesus, this is the core of your belief system is it not? thus, you are saying god's love and acceptance is conditioned upon your willingness to bow down and worship jesus or god himself. that is not unconditional love. if i offer you a snack but say you have to kiss my ring and swear allegiance first, how is that not a condition? if that is not a condition, then your religion offers nothing except for one path to having a closer relationship with god, one path out of many possibilities.
If thats the love he offers then he can fuck himself, because I don't need to be intimidated into serivtude to a god and a text that promotes sexist, homophobic hatred. I have tried to be about this but forget it. What you have said SHOWS he offers a conditional love.
God doesn't promote hatred, but i can see you do. what do you care, you don't believe. be your own God. i'm sure you'll save yourself.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
well that's the thing... God doesn't want us to suffer eternal damnation.. we're the one's that put ourselves in that damnation. God has given us every opportunity to pull our way out.
that is not love. worship me or burn in hell is petty vanity, not love. it's more like blackmail than love.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
you're your own condition. live in sin, you're a slave to sin. Jesus doesn't want bad apples. loving God and other people is such a HARD thing.
loving god and others is not a hard thing. worshiping a 2000 year old dead man and blind allegiance to an ancient book and church that prescribe sexism, homophobia, slavery, and violence is what is hard.
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holy goofy hocus pocus... you sound like a 6 year old. "MY god is SOOOOOO huge if he came to earth he'd just blow the whole thing up cos he's so big! yeah-huh! ask my mom, she said it's true!"
hippiemom made an excellent point, if god is so loving, then why does he condition his forgiveness, love, and entry into heaven upon you bowing down to worship and swear fealty? no parent i know would do that. no parent i know would demand that a child kneel at their doorstep, beg forgiveness, and say they were wrong when they left before allowing them back into the house. not one.
isn't that the part that tells us homosexuality is wrong? so why is it still condemned and persecuted if it has nothing to do with us?
it's a strange phenomenon but you'll probably never get it, and you'll keep fighting against it. no matter how i put it.
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this book says that we placed ourselves out of the reach of God. it wasn't God's choice, it was ours. the rest of the world didn't believe in God. they had separated themselves from the knowledge of God... so God didn't resist or dictate their choices. he allowed them to do as they pleased, unfortunately the things that pleased us were bad things like religion, wars, politics and things of that sort. so God tried to find a way to redeem us, so he started with Abraham... and on and on.
it's not that they were condemned because of their unbelief. see, we came from God. he is our source of life, according to the mythical book of course. without our source of life we perish.
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God will always love you. he loves the entire world. it is His creation. He'll always love us regardless. but then again he doesn't exist.
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How? How does the will determine it's self?
If I will to do something. How is that will determined and how can the will determine it's self?
If God says do this or go to hell, how can 'I' my 'will' be determined to do so if my 'will' is determined to do otherwise?
yes, you are correct:
I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father except through Me.(John 14:6)
Jesus HAS unconditional love. just the way He lived proved it. Jesus has perfect love. you don't believe so keep living the way you are. Jesus doesn't want your imperfect love in His kingdom.
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Sounds like a condition to me
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you're your own condition. live in sin, you're a slave to sin. Jesus doesn't want bad apples. loving God and other people is such a HARD thing.
this explains nothing. you say people cannot get into heaven without accepting jesus, this is the core of your belief system is it not? thus, you are saying god's love and acceptance is conditioned upon your willingness to bow down and worship jesus or god himself. that is not unconditional love. if i offer you a snack but say you have to kiss my ring and swear allegiance first, how is that not a condition? if that is not a condition, then your religion offers nothing except for one path to having a closer relationship with god, one path out of many possibilities.
denying them equal rights and equal protection of the laws is persecution. were jim crow laws not persecutory?
God doesn't promote hatred, but i can see you do. what do you care, you don't believe. be your own God. i'm sure you'll save yourself.
that is not love. worship me or burn in hell is petty vanity, not love. it's more like blackmail than love.
I've got no problem loving other people.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u9OHyhr9hBU
loving god and others is not a hard thing. worshiping a 2000 year old dead man and blind allegiance to an ancient book and church that prescribe sexism, homophobia, slavery, and violence is what is hard.