Seniority is goin DOWNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

URthekey

I like to sit behind the stage & look at those boy's asses,

then pray for a 'last kiss'.

The Juggler

for every 2 shows they do in a particular city one should be seniority and the other should not.

SkeeterB

For starters, I don't think the seniority thing is going away so fast. I have a decent number (180k), but never in the first 20 rows (except Grand Rapids). Once you're at a certain point on the floor, you're better off side stage anyway. That being said, I don't think they should do away with seniority, but if they ever did, I can't imagine they go cold turkey on it. I would suggest they go back to the block system....randomly put tickets in the envelopes (by a certain block) so that we don't have to stand in line all day. That doesn't get rid of seniority and it mixes things up in all the sections.

jfconnorjr

axlsdaddy wrote:

I have been a member for 15 years and I think it is has always been a worthwhile investment to pay the $10 then $15 and now $20 a year for membership in order to retain my very low number membership seniority.

If they ever change to a non-seniority system I will give up my membership but will have many years and many shows in the first 3 rows to have in my memory banks.

I will still go to shows but I won't travel so much and I won't be as interested in going as I would be with an almost 100% gaurantee of being in the first 3 rows.

Agree...

Pegasus

100 Pacer wrote:

speaking as someone who sat front row on the floor, 4 seats off center, for the Grand Rapids/06 show i can tell you the 10C ticket incident there was NOT the result of the 10C "messing up". on the band's REQUEST, 10C re-allocated tickets to shuffle-out the same faces they'd seen at EVERY prior show up front in order to shuffle-in some fresh faces and a fresh vibe to the show,...

the minute I heard about what happened there, I had NO doubt it wasn't accidental.

I think a lottery ELEMENT will happen soon..not completely rid of seniority, but introduce some new blood alongside.

still, best chances of front row for higher numbers are GA shows, I should know

Hinny

GA wouldn't remove the 'usual faces' element. What it would do is eliminate the under 20xxx'ers and totally replace that with a bunch of travelling nuts who'll wait for 15 hours in the car park, provided they get there the day before after the show at the last town

ECM

Hinny wrote:

GA wouldn't remove the 'usual faces' element. What it would do is eliminate the under 20xxx'ers and totally replace that with a bunch of travelling nuts who'll wait for 15 hours in the car park, provided they get there the day before after the show at the last town

perfect example...

see person/post above you

cropdustress

Evil Closet Monkey wrote:

perfect example...

see person/post above you

Haha

Hinny

Evil Closet Monkey wrote:

perfect example...

see person/post above you

Heh, I would know.

I'd do it too, but only if drinking openly for those 15 hours in the queue won't get me into any trouble. I'm more the 6 hour wait type, and only if there's drinks to be had at that.

bazzer

It's interesting that the ones that are so resistant to change have such a short memory.

It wasn't all that long ago that you could only buy tickets to one show, right? No one really minded a change to the multi show format like now. What if 10C decided to go back to tickets for one show per tour/leg? The low #s would still get their front row, but they'd have to pick the show more carefully. Their seniority is still respected but not "abused". Everyone's seats would be better as a whole.

I guess people are happy for change but only if it works in their favour.

I only have an average number but because I live in NZ I hardly get to use it (hint, hint, PJ! It's been 10 years in a couple of weeks! Show us some love!). At least when I do use it (in Australia for example) I get better seats than I'd get in the States. We get a worse deal over here, though. I think in 03 you only got tickets to one show, in 06 you could only get fanclub tickets to the first show in each city (which worked out well for me because I got front row for probably the only time to one of the non-fanclub shows).

I think the system mostly works well, but a change every now and then does one good, doesn't it?

Sexy2aFault

bazzer wrote:

It's interesting that the ones that are so resistant to change have such a short memory.

It wasn't all that long ago that you could only buy tickets to one show, right? No one really minded a change to the multi show format like now. What if 10C decided to go back to tickets for one show per tour/leg? The low #s would still get their front row, but they'd have to pick the show more carefully. Their seniority is still respected but not "abused". Everyone's seats would be better as a whole.

I guess people are happy for change but only if it works in their favour.

I only have an average number but because I live in NZ I hardly get to use it (hint, hint, PJ! It's been 10 years in a couple of weeks! Show us some love!). At least when I do use it (in Australia for example) I get better seats than I'd get in the States. We get a worse deal over here, though. I think in 03 you only got tickets to one show, in 06 you could only get fanclub tickets to the first show in each city (which worked out well for me because I got front row for probably the only time to one of the non-fanclub shows).

I think the system mostly works well, but a change every now and then does one good, doesn't it?

Ahhh, a New Zealander eh? How about them Flight of the Conchords huh? "Your apple pile is in the corner with the dogs New Zealandy" Anybody? Great show.

decides2dream

Hinny wrote:

GA wouldn't remove the 'usual faces' element. What it would do is eliminate the under 20xxx'ers and totally replace that with a bunch of travelling nuts who'll wait for 15 hours in the car park, provided they get there the day before after the show at the last town

exactly!
definitely the 'same faces' up front over and over....and if one wanted to argue, didn't always happen all *fair* either. some waiting all day, only to have someone a bit further up have 'friends' arrive later and still manage to get in the front of the queue...and/or once in the venue, had a *spot* saved for them in a primo location.


so it really does go both ways. do you want to reserve long-term loyalty...and/or someone with the time/means to wait around all day....or a little of both...or something entirely different? there are pros/cons to each of these scenarios.


face it, life is not meant/designed to be *fair*...you can't make EVERYone happy, and honestly, it's not pjs, nor 10cs job to do that in any case. we ALL knew what we were getting when we joined, if that wasn't *enough*...well, tis our choice to accept or decline. but i still enjoy wishing/imagining some changes....or just a wee little tweak anyway.

bazzer wrote:

It's interesting that the ones that are so resistant to change have such a short memory.

It wasn't all that long ago that you could only buy tickets to one show, right? No one really minded a change to the multi show format like now. What if 10C decided to go back to tickets for one show per tour/leg? The low #s would still get their front row, but they'd have to pick the show more carefully. Their seniority is still respected but not "abused". Everyone's seats would be better as a whole.

I guess people are happy for change but only if it works in their favour.


I think the system mostly works well, but a change every now and then does one good, doesn't it?

bazzer.........EXCELLENT points! very, very true! there once upon a time was NO 'seniority'...then one show per tour...block seating....etc. life IS change. so is pj/10c. memberships also were about $5 a pop in the early days too. how much does say the equivilent of maybe $50 do you expect to *buy* you? hahaha.

Mudfest

I am a mid 200's and have had Row 6, 12, 18, 25 .....

sooooooo ......

what I think the issue is , especially for the vancouver show is that the low numbers are centralized ..... and I bet lots on the west coast .......

Travel a lil' even with high numbers and you will get good seats .....

But really I wouldnt have a hope in hell in vancouver in a small venue to get good tickets ...

Props to those with good numbers......
But I thank 10c for the chance to get "good " seats in vancouver ....

Muddy

brainofPJ

Im still here wrote:

Whose to say just because you've been a member of 10C longer that makes you a bigger fan.......

never heard anyone say this.

if anyone does than they are just a moron.

i wasn't able to join the club when i wanted...not my fault, not any other fans fault.

self-proclaimed biggest fan right here...

after all, i have downloaded all the studio albums and most all the bootlegs...

coachchris

Granted, I haven't been to as many shows as others here but I've never been to a show where dozens, literrally dozens of 10c fans didn't have an extra ticket and looking to bring in someone to a show. My brother went to four Canadian shows not having a single ticket. His worse seat was row 8. If you have a higher number, look to move up through an extra ticket, that's the best I can recommend.

Foxy Mop

coachchris wrote:

Granted, I haven't been to as many shows as others here but I've never been to a show where dozens, literrally dozens of 10c fans didn't have an extra ticket and looking to bring in someone to a show. My brother went to four Canadian shows not having a single ticket. His worse seat was row 8. If you have a higher number, look to move up through an extra ticket, that's the best I can recommend.

Definitely.. our group of friends share/bump ticketing, and even cooler is that there are *always* people at the pre-parties who have extras/need an extra and usually within the first 20 rows... it happened so often we ended up making a sign up sheet for them

restlesssoul

350xxx

was first 25 rows for all 3 gorges!!!


its not so bad!

patrickredeyes

It's so important to remember that it doesn't matter where your seat is. As long as your inside the venue your all set.


I could care less about what your number or mine is.

Zoso

my first show I scored front row centre Thats the story of an adelaide 10c member for yah

Ledbetterus

Honestly, I don't get the big deal with front row. It's overrated. I'd rather be 30 rows back near the middle. I think you get a better feel for the evening that way. I mean, I'd rather be able to see people going nuts around me, hear EVERYONE, and just enjoy the whole ordeal. Not to mention, I really don't care to see Eddie's nose hairs

On second thought, I dig nose hair, someone hook me up with some front row seats!