Seniority is goin DOWNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

small town beck

maverick wrote:

You just have to go to shows other than the Philly, NY, NJ, Boston area. I'm from 15 miles up the road and joined the same time as you did. If you want first row, go to Saskatoon, St. John's, Bologna, or Verona like I did. The travel experience will be well worth it. If you want first 10 rows, go most anywhere south of PA, inc. DC.

The volume of 10C members in the Northeast is incredible, and many travel to multiple shows, so to get closer, you must travel further. Again, many of my most memorable experiences have been the furthest trips (Seattle, Western Canada, Newfoundland, and Italy).

We have been to some of the same shows. St John's was great and while in Italy I managed to make it front row twice.. Torino and Pistoia

Pistoia was a beautiful night. I don't have a great number so I was lucky to manage those spots. Probably won't happen again but I was luckier than some and I enjoyed it so much

100 Pacer

BinGnarly wrote:

The best seat ive had was Grand Rapids 06 show. I had 15 row floor. I hear that was just because ten club messed up the seniority for that show. I wish they would do that more often.
besides that show im normally nose bleed.

speaking as someone who sat front row on the floor, 4 seats off center, for the Grand Rapids/06 show i can tell you the 10C ticket incident there was NOT the result of the 10C "messing up". on the band's REQUEST, 10C re-allocated tickets to shuffle-out the same faces they'd seen at EVERY prior show up front in order to shuffle-in some fresh faces and a fresh vibe to the show,...

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SOLAT319 wrote:

The only time I was front row was Maui 98 first night, some asshole kicked me in the head and I got my nose broken. So, screw front row.

eeshk, not a great memory then!

boxwine_in_hell

Im still here wrote:

That's what's wrong with most of the PJ fans I met at Lolla, that "better-than" attitude. Whose to say just because you've been a member of 10C longer that makes you a bigger fan.......

I don't get it.......

I think all 10C tickets should be done in lottery fashion, allowing new fans just as old an equal oppurtunity to get the most awesome seating.

btw: I was 10th row Mike's side at Lolla, I just pushed and shoved my way up there, screw you "better-than" types......

You're right, someone that just joined should get better seats than someone that's been in the club since the beginning. That makes perfect sense in bizarro world.

jeffbr

Seniority only makes sense. It is a reward for years of loyalty. Just like season tickets in sports. You move closer as people in front of you let their season tickets lapse. It is a pretty straightforward concept. I was a pretty early 10c member. I let my membership lapse for a few years, and finally renewed again in 2003. My number is much higher than it was and I'm sitting farther back. Makes sense to me that the people who stuck with the club during that same time are now sitting closer.

jfconnorjr

I have been in the front and in the back in small places (VIC) and in big (Rio).
As most of you will agree... it is all about the music not the seat you sit in.
There are upcoming shows to get excited about.... lets not waste our energy on talking about seats.
We are VERY lucky the the 10c continues to bless us with these opportunities to get seats before the public.... lets spend our time thanking them for that not discussing how seats should be allocated.

Kilgore_Trout

Im still here wrote:

maybe you are right, but I learned a long time ago: if you let people push you around they will, just push back and most people will let you pass

let people push you around? better than attitude? if people were there before you then you have no right to push past them... show some patience and respect for your fellow fans and im sure youd get the same in return... i ran to my spot at lolla the second the gates opened and i was there all day despite almost passing out, so i especially take offense to people like you... its real hypocritical to say people think theyre better than others and then think youre entitled to push your way as close as you want

jeffbr

jfconnorjr wrote:

I have been in the front and in the back in small places (VIC) and in big (Rio).
As most of you will agree... it is all about the music not the seat you sit in.
There are upcoming shows to get excited about.... lets not waste our energy on talking about seats.
We are VERY lucky the the 10c continues to bless us with these opportunities to get seats before the public.... lets spend our time thanking them for that not discussing how seats should be allocated.

Completely disagree. If I'm paying good money for a ticket, it really is all about the view so that I see the show. If it was just about the music I'd listen to the studio or bootleg releases on my stereo on a comfy couch with a beer in my hand. For me it is about the music, combined with the show on stage.

Im still here

boxwine_in_hell wrote:

You're right, someone that just joined should get better seats than someone that's been in the club since the beginning. That makes perfect sense in bizarro world.

What if you're like me, been a fan since day one but never joined the 10C????

So I should be overlooked because I haven't been in the 10C from the very beginning.......

That doesn't make me any less of a fan, does it?

I think not.......

jeffbr

Im still here wrote:

What if you're like me, been a fan since day one but never joined the 10C????

So I should be overlooked because I haven't been in the 10C from the very beginning.......

That doesn't make me any less of a fan, does it?

I think not.......

It's not about being a bigger or better fan. It is about having joined a club for a reason. Can you walk out onto the local country club golf course for a round just because you were born in the area? Nope. You need to be a member.

You might be the biggest fan the band has (I have no way to measure that), but this isn't about that. This is about having been a member of a club which offers a section of tickets to its members. The longer you've been a member, the closer you'll sit. Just like sports. You could be a diehard Giants fan since the day you dropped out of your mom, but that doesn't mean you get row 1 on the 50 yard line just because you show up. Sorry.

Kilgore_Trout

Im still here wrote:

What if you're like me, been a fan since day one but never joined the 10C????

So I should be overlooked because I haven't been in the 10C from the very beginning.......

That doesn't make me any less of a fan, does it?

I think not.......

whose fault is it that you didnt join earlier? i only blame myself for having not joined eariler... granted i didnt get into them until binaural when i was only like 12... im not about to say that the system isnt fair tho... do i wish i could get better seats? YES... but there has been an established incentive for some time that the sooner you join 10C the better your seats... makes sense to me... im just gonna keep working on making friends with better numbers

Im still here

jeffbr wrote:

It's not about being a bigger or better fan. It is about having joined a club for a reason. Can you walk out onto the local country club golf course for a round just because you were born in the area? Nope. You need to be a member.

You might be the biggest fan the band has (I have no way to measure that), but this isn't about that. This is about having been a member of a club which offers a section of tickets to its members. The longer you've been a member, the closer you'll sit. Just like sports. You could be a diehard Giants fan since the day you dropped out of your mom, but that doesn't mean you get row 1 on the 50 yard line just because you show up. Sorry.

That's just more of that "better-than" thinking.......

You are no "better" than me.

btw: I am a member of 10C

Kilgore_Trout

Im still here wrote:

That's just more of that "better-than" thinking.......

You are no "better" than me.

btw: I am a member of 10C

umm... no... thats common sense... you seem to have a greater sense of entitlement than anyone else if you expect 10C to just stop a long established tradition in your own best interest... just saying... and before you accuse me of thinking im "better" than you, my numbers not that great... so yah...

jeffbr

Im still here wrote:

That's just more of that "better-than" thinking.......

You are no "better" than me.

btw: I am a member of 10C

Please tell me you aren't really this dense. It isn't about being better. I said that. I also said my membership lapsed and my number is worse than it was and I'm farther back than others who kept their memberships current.

Let's try this again slowly. It isn't about being a better fan or better person. It is simply about having joined a club sooner. That's it. That's the way most things work in life. There are choices you made and choices I made that mean that we don't sit in the front row. There are choices you can make now and in the future that will ensure that you're seats continue to get better - just keep paying the dues every year.

Im still here

sgossard3 wrote:

umm... no... thats common sense... you seem to have a greater sense of entitlement than anyone else if you expect 10C to just stop a long established tradition in your own best interest... just saying... and before you accuse me of thinking im "better" than you, my numbers not that great... so yah...

I just think a lottery system would benefit the Club as a whole, not just a select group of people who have been up front at countless shows already.........

chinobaeza

I was in 1st row at Santiago?s show. It was a GA show. That was crazy! that day I missed the seats

jeffbr

Im still here wrote:

I just think a lottery system would benefit the Club as a whole, not just a select group of people who have been up front at countless shows already.........

I'm sure you do. That would take away incentive to remain in the club during non-tour years. Take a few years off, join the club again and have just the same chance to sit in front. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Nixon in Detroit

I have a pretty good # I normally sit in the 1st 20 rows. But it all depends on the city the shows in. When I went to the east coast I was in row 20. Here's the thing want to get closer. Find someone with a better number that has an extra ticket. The ten club makes us buy them in pairs. I travel to many shows solo and normally find someone on the board or someone @ the venue and go with them. Don't complain about your situation find a way to change it and meet some cool people as well. There are so many great fans on this board and at the shows if you venture out and are a lil out going.

Vedderlution_Baby

I think that they should throw in random lottery system shows. I'm not talking about a lot....maybe five (If it's a big tour with two or three legs).

Sexy2aFault

dangerboy wrote:

it's not because they are older than you, it's because they have actively supported the band for a longer period of time. nothing personal.

and i've never understood the whole passage of time thing, the idea that people who were here before me got to do things that i didn't get to do. oh, so sorry my parents didn't have sex earlier!

The only reason why they have supported the band longer is because they are older. I should not be penalized so harshly ( harsh,being relative), I support the band with far less complaining than the 40 year olds who have seen everything and are now jaded when their favorite song is not played. Oh No! Not another 'Corduroy' opener. Last tour was a lesson to see how older PJ fans are. Scared of positive change, scared of showing support for PJs decisions. GA shows in San Fran (look at the board in that era, and see the bitchin') were met with complaints from a lot of people. If PJ does do away with seniority it will be an indictment of the older fans who no longer give the kind of support any sane person would want. In fact, Tim Bierman said pretty much that PJ were dissapointed with the older fans reaction to their new stuff in Chicago and the previous shows.

Current fervor and current support should not be ignored. Because current fervor and current support equals growth and the oppurtunity to stay relevent.