Mircales Exposed!

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

So wait, there is temptation to good and evil? How the fuck do I know the difference? Is sex and chocolate good or evil? Where is the ruler, who draws the line? WTF?

i'll make it easy for you ahnimus. chocolate is good. sex is good. temptation is okay. it is the test. giving in to temptation is not good. you are the ruler of our own destiny. it is you who draws the line. placing responsibility for your own actions on God is a cop out. and is the mark of an amoral person.

harmless_little_f***

Ahnimus wrote:

So, believing in God, because of the fear of death, is not a sin? But a good temptation?

"Suck my balls or I shoot you in the fucking head!"

"Yes master!"

You're making a lot of assumptions about absolutely everything, Ahnimus. What are you, twelve? I don't fear death. There are motives behind my belief in God, just as there are motives behind my getting out of bed every morning. They are not temptations. Rarely am I ever tempted to get out of bed every morning.

And if God asked me to 'suck his balls', I wouldn't be a Christian. Thankfully he never has. He has asked me to trust him, however. So have my parents. And because my parents are good parents, I'm happy to oblige. The same is true of God.

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

i'll make it easy for you ahnimus. chocolate is good. sex is good. temptation is okay. it is the test. giving in to temptation is not good. you are the ruler of our own destiny. it is you who draws the line. placing responsibility for your own actions on God is a cop out. and is the mark of an amoral person.

I'm not putting any responsibility on God, 'cause God doesn't exist.

God is a fucking lie, which begets free-will, which is also a fucking lie. All this shit to make us feel like we have a divine choice and to crucify each other for fucking up. None of that shit matters if God has a divine plan, and God's will determines our destinies. There is mounds of illogolical crap in the Bible.

You, call me amoral, simply because I don't believe in this ridiculous myth? Doesn't that in turn make you a bigoted amoral person? Huh?

I don't rely on myths, I don't need myths and I don't put blame on myths. It's YOU that does that. Merry Christmas, btw

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

So, believing in God, because of the fear of death, is not a sin? But a good temptation?

"Suck my balls or I shoot you in the fucking head!"

"Yes master!"

everybody dies. believing or not believing in God is not going to change that fact. beleiving in God for whatever reason is not a sin. nor is it a temptation. though if you are only livng a righteous life because an 'eye in the sky' is watching you then perhaps an argument on motive could be explored.

Ahnimus

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

You're making a lot of assumptions about absolutely everything, Ahnimus. What are you, twelve? I don't fear death. There are motives behind my belief in God, just as there are motives behind my getting out of bed every morning. They are not temptations. Rarely am I ever tempted to get out of bed every morning.

And if God asked me to 'suck his balls', I wouldn't be a Christian. Thankfully he never has. He has asked me to trust him, however. So have my parents. And because my parents are good parents, I'm happy to oblige. The same is true of God.

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catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm not putting any responsibility on God, 'cause God doesn't exist.

God is a fucking lie, which begets free-will, which is also a fucking lie. All this shit to make us feel like we have a divine choice and to crucify each other for fucking up. None of that shit matters if God has a divine plan, and God's will determines our destinies. There is mounds of illogolical crap in the Bible.

You, call me amoral, simply because I don't believe in this ridiculous myth? Doesn't that in turn make you a bigoted amoral person? Huh?

I don't rely on myths, I don't need myths and I don't put blame on myths. It's YOU that does that. Merry Christmas, btw

oh ahnimus you wished me a merry christmas. i am an atheist. as are you so why the greeting?
oh i see... you were being facetious?
i did not call you amoral. that was a general statement to anyone who disavows responsibility simply because they believe God has a grand plan. so no that does not make me a bigoted amoral person.
of course the Bible is full of illogical 'crap'. faith requires no logic.

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

oh ahnimus you wished me a merry christmas. i am an atheist. as are you so why the greeting?
oh i see... you were being facetious?
i did not call you amoral. that was a general statement to anyone who disavows responsibility simply because they believe God has a grand plan. so no that does not make me a bigoted amoral person.
of course the Bible is full of illogical 'crap'. faith requires no logic.

Yup and in 300,000 years, some new species of intelligence will come across the Star Wars trilogy and it will become their religion.
Maybe Lukianity, or Starwalkerism.

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

Yup and in 300,000 years, some new species of intelligence will come across the Star Wars trilogy and it will become their religion.
Maybe Lukianity, or Starwalkerism.

i see no downside to that.
i recall princess leia saying to obi-wan in the original that he was their only hope.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Don't forget, emotion is the product of an engram in the brain. When one neuron in the engram fires, the engram fires and produces an emotional state, which is corroborated by a surge of peptides supportive of the emotional state. When you talk about emotion, you are talking about a logically structured process of reaction. Yet, it's only as logical as the structure that causes it.

Emotional states aren't constant experiences that everyone shares. I don't share your emotional state surrounding God. I'm not ignoring it, it's just simply not there. I deconstructed that engram ten years ago.

I'd love to be there the day you acknowledge logic is a construct of the brain. And that it's based on the left-neocortex, meaning a small portion of the brain. When you come to comprehend that you see what you are wired to see--the precepts you so commonly refer to--I mean when you understand and act on that understanding of what that means in terms of you merely arguing your own programming at the expense of understanding what really exists. You know it intellectually, yet it seems you don't know it. It seems you think only others are adhering to precepts and forgetting that the precepts refer to all of us. We see what we want to see.

dkst0426

Wow.......ok, so much for reason and logic and rational discussion. And here I was thinking someone using an academic source (I'll give good ol' Wiki the benefit of the doubt there) would be reasonable enough to read and respond to another academic source. I guess that was asking too much.

And it all degenerates into trashing beliefs held by others. This is all too typical.

hippiemom

catefrances wrote:

chocolate is good. sex is good. temptation is okay. it is the test. giving in to temptation is not good.

Giving in to the temptation for chocolate is not good???


I am SO fucked :(

A Surprise Left

You can't really explain away all the miracles by scientific reasoning. A lot of them either are merely mythical in nature or they did take place just as they are written. For instance you can't explain Jesus turning rising from the dead if he really didn't do so. You can't simply say that Samson killed 1,000 men on his own (or similar number I can't remember now) simply because he was a great fighter. IMO they are Jewish mythology or they are true events.

catefrances

hippiemom wrote:

Giving in to the temptation for chocolate is not good???


I am SO fucked :(

i don't see chocolate as a temptation. to me it is an essential part of my diet.

A Surprise Left

catefrances wrote:

i don't see chocolate as a temptation. to me it is an essential part of my diet.

your other temptation sex is also quite essential!

catefrances

A Surprise Left wrote:

your other temptation sex is also quite essential!

and therefore not a temptation either.

A Surprise Left

catefrances wrote:

and therefore not a temptation either.

sounds good 2 me

enharmonic

It has been my experience that the people who spend time and effort to deny the existence of God are often the ones who need God the most.

No disrespect intended...just that I've seen this many times before, and it always flows back to a source...a sense that one has been abandoned by God in a time of need. It is a reasonable response, though not the only answer.

For every person on Earth, there are a million possible ways to come to God, or turn from God

According to the world population clock, there are 6,565,332,160 people on the planet. So, give each of them 1,000,000 ways to come to or turn from god, and you have 65,653,321,000,000,000 ways to and from God.

That's a lot of ways to get there, or get away.

trappedinmyradio

Ahnimus wrote:

Despite the traditional wording used in English texts of Exodus, the 'Red Sea' is not actually referred to in the Hebrew text. The Hebrew refers to 'Yam suph', Sea of Reeds or Reed Sea, which was a significantly smaller, marshy body of swampwater to the north of the Red Sea. This suggests a less traumatic event than is traditionally envisioned. If the Jewish people were chased through the Sea of Reeds, the Egyptians could have either lost track of them through the swamp or, as the second link below suggests, their chariots or horses could have been bogged down in the mud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passage_of_the_Red_Sea

Anyone else have one?

this is pretty stale...but, yes, this has widely been recognized by rational individuals...

miller8966

I take science with a grain of salt...it always changes.

the face

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm