Well as long as you don't see how anyone can, Ahnimus, it must not be possible. End of debate. I apologise for having a go, oh super debater.
lol, I don't know if I'm right.
But, I certainly hope the Bible is wrong.
Eternal peace is non-existence. IMO.
The Bible portrays God as the ultimate control freak. Do as he/she/it says or be banished to hell for an eternity. Analogous to the kind of behavior we wouldn't condone in modern society. If you think rape, and abuse is bad, try banishing someone to hell for eternity because they doubted you.
The myth of God works only on fear. Without the fear of God there is no reason to believe in God and hence no reason to worship God or follow God's rules. If you think Hitler was bad, just wait for Armageddon. By contrast, Satan will accept anyone with open arms. Ironically, temptation is the devil's tool. Would then, the temptation of eternal life in heaven, not be the work of Satan. Perhaps Lucifer wrote the Bible. :cool:
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
On the contrary, I reckon you think that you are right, and that everyone on this thread who doesn't agree with you is wrong. How did you put it? 'Analogous to the kind of behaviour I wouldn't condone in modern society.'
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Yea, I think I am. I'm pretty sure I am. The Bible is a series of contradictions back-to-back.
Mat 6:13 (Phi) "Keep us clear of temptation, and save us from evil."
f thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED. (Romans 10:9)
Is that not direct temptation? A contradiction .
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yea, I think I am. I'm pretty sure I am. The Bible is a series of contradictions back-to-back.
Mat 6:13 (Phi) "Keep us clear of temptation, and save us from evil."
f thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED. (Romans 10:9)
Is that not direct temptation? A contradiction .
That's not in the slightest bit contradictory, no. What website are you reading all this from? The first verse is referring to the temptation towards greed and evil.
Oh, I forgot, Ahnimus believes that belief in God is evil. Therefore it must be.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Yea, I think I am. I'm pretty sure I am. The Bible is a series of contradictions back-to-back.
Mat 6:13 (Phi) "Keep us clear of temptation, and save us from evil."
f thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED. (Romans 10:9)
Is that not direct temptation? A contradiction .
is being tempted a sin if one acknowledges it, but does not act upon it?
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is being tempted a sin if one acknowledges it, but does not act upon it?
You've got a pretty good point, catefrances. Nowhere does the Bible say temptation is actually a sin; the actions which temptations lead us towards are sinful.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
That's not in the slightest bit contradictory, no. What website are you reading all this from? The first verse is referring to the temptation towards evil.
Oh, I forgot, Ahnimus believes that belief in God is evil. Therefore it must be.
So wait, there is temptation to good and evil? How the fuck do I know the difference? Is sex and chocolate good or evil? Where is the ruler, who draws the line? WTF?
God creates the universe, angels and man kind.
Man: "Whoa, where the fuck am I? Who the fuck am I?"
God: "I made you to worship me!"
Man: "Well that sounds like fun. NOT!"
God: "Worship me or I banish you to hell!"
Satan: "Do it man, all I did was suggest he should take it easy on you."
God: "Don't listen to him, he is Evil, he is trying to tempt you to do Evil deeds."
Satan: "No, do whatever you want. I don't care what you do."
A few thousand years passes...
Me: "Dude this sucks, God is a jerk."
God: "YOU! Banished to the black hole, to hell with you."
So I got to hell.
Me: "Hi Satan, wtf is wrong with that guy?"
Satan: "You know what they say, power corrupts..."
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
So wait, there is temptation to good and evil? How the fuck do I know the difference? Is sex and chocolate good or evil? Where is the ruler, who draws the line? WTF?
God creates the universe, angels and man kind.
Man: "Whoa, where the fuck am I? Who the fuck am I?"
God: "I made you to worship me!"
Man: "Well that sounds like fun. NOT!"
God: "Worship me or I banish you to hell!"
Satan: "Do it man, all I did was suggest he should take it easy on you."
God: "Don't listen to him, he is Evil, he is trying to tempt you to do Evil deeds."
Satan: "No, do whatever you want. I don't care what you do."
A few thousand years passes...
Me: "Dude this sucks, God is a jerk."
God: "YOU! Banished to the black hole, to hell with you."
So I got to hell.
Me: "Hi Satan, wtf is wrong with that guy?"
Satan: "You know what they say, power corrupts..."
That's a nice little folk tale you wrote. Forget the Bible, maybe your version is not bullshit.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
You've got a pretty good point, catefrances. Nowhere does the Bible say temptation is actually a sin; the actions which temptations lead us towards are sinful.
of course i do.
otherwise there'd be no way to separate the saint from the sinners.
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You've got a pretty good point, catefrances. Nowhere does the Bible say temptation is actually a sin; the actions which temptations lead us towards are sinful.
So, believing in God, because of the fear of death, is not a sin? But a good temptation?
"Suck my balls or I shoot you in the fucking head!"
"Yes master!"
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
So wait, there is temptation to good and evil? How the fuck do I know the difference? Is sex and chocolate good or evil? Where is the ruler, who draws the line? WTF?
i'll make it easy for you ahnimus. chocolate is good. sex is good. temptation is okay. it is the test. giving in to temptation is not good. you are the ruler of our own destiny. it is you who draws the line. placing responsibility for your own actions on God is a cop out. and is the mark of an amoral person.
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So, believing in God, because of the fear of death, is not a sin? But a good temptation?
"Suck my balls or I shoot you in the fucking head!"
"Yes master!"
You're making a lot of assumptions about absolutely everything, Ahnimus. What are you, twelve? I don't fear death. There are motives behind my belief in God, just as there are motives behind my getting out of bed every morning. They are not temptations. Rarely am I ever tempted to get out of bed every morning.
And if God asked me to 'suck his balls', I wouldn't be a Christian. Thankfully he never has. He has asked me to trust him, however. So have my parents. And because my parents are good parents, I'm happy to oblige. The same is true of God.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
i'll make it easy for you ahnimus. chocolate is good. sex is good. temptation is okay. it is the test. giving in to temptation is not good. you are the ruler of our own destiny. it is you who draws the line. placing responsibility for your own actions on God is a cop out. and is the mark of an amoral person.
I'm not putting any responsibility on God, 'cause God doesn't exist.
God is a fucking lie, which begets free-will, which is also a fucking lie. All this shit to make us feel like we have a divine choice and to crucify each other for fucking up. None of that shit matters if God has a divine plan, and God's will determines our destinies. There is mounds of illogolical crap in the Bible.
You, call me amoral, simply because I don't believe in this ridiculous myth? Doesn't that in turn make you a bigoted amoral person? Huh?
I don't rely on myths, I don't need myths and I don't put blame on myths. It's YOU that does that. Merry Christmas, btw
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
So, believing in God, because of the fear of death, is not a sin? But a good temptation?
"Suck my balls or I shoot you in the fucking head!"
"Yes master!"
everybody dies. believing or not believing in God is not going to change that fact. beleiving in God for whatever reason is not a sin. nor is it a temptation. though if you are only livng a righteous life because an 'eye in the sky' is watching you then perhaps an argument on motive could be explored.
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You're making a lot of assumptions about absolutely everything, Ahnimus. What are you, twelve? I don't fear death. There are motives behind my belief in God, just as there are motives behind my getting out of bed every morning. They are not temptations. Rarely am I ever tempted to get out of bed every morning.
And if God asked me to 'suck his balls', I wouldn't be a Christian. Thankfully he never has. He has asked me to trust him, however. So have my parents. And because my parents are good parents, I'm happy to oblige. The same is true of God.
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There are motives behind my belief in God
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What are the motives?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm not putting any responsibility on God, 'cause God doesn't exist.
God is a fucking lie, which begets free-will, which is also a fucking lie. All this shit to make us feel like we have a divine choice and to crucify each other for fucking up. None of that shit matters if God has a divine plan, and God's will determines our destinies. There is mounds of illogolical crap in the Bible.
You, call me amoral, simply because I don't believe in this ridiculous myth? Doesn't that in turn make you a bigoted amoral person? Huh?
I don't rely on myths, I don't need myths and I don't put blame on myths. It's YOU that does that. Merry Christmas, btw
oh ahnimus you wished me a merry christmas. i am an atheist. as are you so why the greeting?
oh i see... you were being facetious?
i did not call you amoral. that was a general statement to anyone who disavows responsibility simply because they believe God has a grand plan. so no that does not make me a bigoted amoral person.
of course the Bible is full of illogical 'crap'. faith requires no logic.
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oh ahnimus you wished me a merry christmas. i am an atheist. as are you so why the greeting?
oh i see... you were being facetious?
i did not call you amoral. that was a general statement to anyone who disavows responsibility simply because they believe God has a grand plan. so no that does not make me a bigoted amoral person.
of course the Bible is full of illogical 'crap'. faith requires no logic.
Yup and in 300,000 years, some new species of intelligence will come across the Star Wars trilogy and it will become their religion.
Maybe Lukianity, or Starwalkerism.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yup and in 300,000 years, some new species of intelligence will come across the Star Wars trilogy and it will become their religion.
Maybe Lukianity, or Starwalkerism.
i see no downside to that.
i recall princess leia saying to obi-wan in the original that he was their only hope.
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Don't forget, emotion is the product of an engram in the brain. When one neuron in the engram fires, the engram fires and produces an emotional state, which is corroborated by a surge of peptides supportive of the emotional state. When you talk about emotion, you are talking about a logically structured process of reaction. Yet, it's only as logical as the structure that causes it.
Emotional states aren't constant experiences that everyone shares. I don't share your emotional state surrounding God. I'm not ignoring it, it's just simply not there. I deconstructed that engram ten years ago.
I'd love to be there the day you acknowledge logic is a construct of the brain. And that it's based on the left-neocortex, meaning a small portion of the brain. When you come to comprehend that you see what you are wired to see--the precepts you so commonly refer to--I mean when you understand and act on that understanding of what that means in terms of you merely arguing your own programming at the expense of understanding what really exists. You know it intellectually, yet it seems you don't know it. It seems you think only others are adhering to precepts and forgetting that the precepts refer to all of us. We see what we want to see.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Wow.......ok, so much for reason and logic and rational discussion. And here I was thinking someone using an academic source (I'll give good ol' Wiki the benefit of the doubt there) would be reasonable enough to read and respond to another academic source. I guess that was asking too much.
And it all degenerates into trashing beliefs held by others. This is all too typical.
You can't really explain away all the miracles by scientific reasoning. A lot of them either are merely mythical in nature or they did take place just as they are written. For instance you can't explain Jesus turning rising from the dead if he really didn't do so. You can't simply say that Samson killed 1,000 men on his own (or similar number I can't remember now) simply because he was a great fighter. IMO they are Jewish mythology or they are true events.
The wind is blowing cold
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
It has been my experience that the people who spend time and effort to deny the existence of God are often the ones who need God the most.
No disrespect intended...just that I've seen this many times before, and it always flows back to a source...a sense that one has been abandoned by God in a time of need. It is a reasonable response, though not the only answer.
For every person on Earth, there are a million possible ways to come to God, or turn from God
According to the world population clock, there are 6,565,332,160 people on the planet. So, give each of them 1,000,000 ways to come to or turn from god, and you have 65,653,321,000,000,000 ways to and from God.
Despite the traditional wording used in English texts of Exodus, the 'Red Sea' is not actually referred to in the Hebrew text. The Hebrew refers to 'Yam suph', Sea of Reeds or Reed Sea, which was a significantly smaller, marshy body of swampwater to the north of the Red Sea. This suggests a less traumatic event than is traditionally envisioned. If the Jewish people were chased through the Sea of Reeds, the Egyptians could have either lost track of them through the swamp or, as the second link below suggests, their chariots or horses could have been bogged down in the mud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passage_of_the_Red_Sea
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lol, I don't know if I'm right.
But, I certainly hope the Bible is wrong.
Eternal peace is non-existence. IMO.
The Bible portrays God as the ultimate control freak. Do as he/she/it says or be banished to hell for an eternity. Analogous to the kind of behavior we wouldn't condone in modern society. If you think rape, and abuse is bad, try banishing someone to hell for eternity because they doubted you.
The myth of God works only on fear. Without the fear of God there is no reason to believe in God and hence no reason to worship God or follow God's rules. If you think Hitler was bad, just wait for Armageddon. By contrast, Satan will accept anyone with open arms. Ironically, temptation is the devil's tool. Would then, the temptation of eternal life in heaven, not be the work of Satan. Perhaps Lucifer wrote the Bible. :cool:
On the contrary, I reckon you think that you are right, and that everyone on this thread who doesn't agree with you is wrong. How did you put it? 'Analogous to the kind of behaviour I wouldn't condone in modern society.'
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Yea, I think I am. I'm pretty sure I am. The Bible is a series of contradictions back-to-back.
Mat 6:13 (Phi) "Keep us clear of temptation, and save us from evil."
f thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED. (Romans 10:9)
Is that not direct temptation? A contradiction .
That's not in the slightest bit contradictory, no. What website are you reading all this from? The first verse is referring to the temptation towards greed and evil.
Oh, I forgot, Ahnimus believes that belief in God is evil. Therefore it must be.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
is being tempted a sin if one acknowledges it, but does not act upon it?
take a good look
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hold my hand
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i just need to say
You've got a pretty good point, catefrances. Nowhere does the Bible say temptation is actually a sin; the actions which temptations lead us towards are sinful.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
So wait, there is temptation to good and evil? How the fuck do I know the difference? Is sex and chocolate good or evil? Where is the ruler, who draws the line? WTF?
God creates the universe, angels and man kind.
Man: "Whoa, where the fuck am I? Who the fuck am I?"
God: "I made you to worship me!"
Man: "Well that sounds like fun. NOT!"
God: "Worship me or I banish you to hell!"
Satan: "Do it man, all I did was suggest he should take it easy on you."
God: "Don't listen to him, he is Evil, he is trying to tempt you to do Evil deeds."
Satan: "No, do whatever you want. I don't care what you do."
A few thousand years passes...
Me: "Dude this sucks, God is a jerk."
God: "YOU! Banished to the black hole, to hell with you."
So I got to hell.
Me: "Hi Satan, wtf is wrong with that guy?"
Satan: "You know what they say, power corrupts..."
That's a nice little folk tale you wrote. Forget the Bible, maybe your version is not bullshit.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
of course i do.
otherwise there'd be no way to separate the saint from the sinners.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So, believing in God, because of the fear of death, is not a sin? But a good temptation?
"Suck my balls or I shoot you in the fucking head!"
"Yes master!"
i'll make it easy for you ahnimus. chocolate is good. sex is good. temptation is okay. it is the test. giving in to temptation is not good. you are the ruler of our own destiny. it is you who draws the line. placing responsibility for your own actions on God is a cop out. and is the mark of an amoral person.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
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You're making a lot of assumptions about absolutely everything, Ahnimus. What are you, twelve? I don't fear death. There are motives behind my belief in God, just as there are motives behind my getting out of bed every morning. They are not temptations. Rarely am I ever tempted to get out of bed every morning.
And if God asked me to 'suck his balls', I wouldn't be a Christian. Thankfully he never has. He has asked me to trust him, however. So have my parents. And because my parents are good parents, I'm happy to oblige. The same is true of God.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
I'm not putting any responsibility on God, 'cause God doesn't exist.
God is a fucking lie, which begets free-will, which is also a fucking lie. All this shit to make us feel like we have a divine choice and to crucify each other for fucking up. None of that shit matters if God has a divine plan, and God's will determines our destinies. There is mounds of illogolical crap in the Bible.
You, call me amoral, simply because I don't believe in this ridiculous myth? Doesn't that in turn make you a bigoted amoral person? Huh?
I don't rely on myths, I don't need myths and I don't put blame on myths. It's YOU that does that. Merry Christmas, btw
everybody dies. believing or not believing in God is not going to change that fact. beleiving in God for whatever reason is not a sin. nor is it a temptation. though if you are only livng a righteous life because an 'eye in the sky' is watching you then perhaps an argument on motive could be explored.
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gninrom yreve deb fo tuo teg ot detpmet reve I ma yleraR .snoitatpmet ton era yehT .gninrom yreve deb fo tuo gnitteg ym dniheb sevitom era ereht sa tsuj ,doG ni feileb ym dniheb sevitom era erehT
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There are motives behind my belief in God
>>> Pause >>>
What are the motives?
oh ahnimus you wished me a merry christmas. i am an atheist. as are you so why the greeting?
oh i see... you were being facetious?
i did not call you amoral. that was a general statement to anyone who disavows responsibility simply because they believe God has a grand plan. so no that does not make me a bigoted amoral person.
of course the Bible is full of illogical 'crap'. faith requires no logic.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Yup and in 300,000 years, some new species of intelligence will come across the Star Wars trilogy and it will become their religion.
Maybe Lukianity, or Starwalkerism.
i see no downside to that.
i recall princess leia saying to obi-wan in the original that he was their only hope.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
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And it all degenerates into trashing beliefs held by others. This is all too typical.
I am SO fucked :(
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
i don't see chocolate as a temptation. to me it is an essential part of my diet.
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your other temptation sex is also quite essential!
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
and therefore not a temptation either.
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sounds good 2 me
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
No disrespect intended...just that I've seen this many times before, and it always flows back to a source...a sense that one has been abandoned by God in a time of need. It is a reasonable response, though not the only answer.
For every person on Earth, there are a million possible ways to come to God, or turn from God
According to the world population clock, there are 6,565,332,160 people on the planet. So, give each of them 1,000,000 ways to come to or turn from god, and you have 65,653,321,000,000,000 ways to and from God.
That's a lot of ways to get there, or get away.
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