You're assuming Ahnimus has discounted those things he's seen in his life that are somewhat unexplainable, mysterious. We all have those. Sometimes, probably most times, it's best to keep those sort of things to oneself. Maybe that's why they are there in the first place.
I don't discount anything I see, I get explanations.
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You just can't say that because I don't see doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Look, I could tell you there is a flying spaghetti monster, but unless I can actually show it to you, it doesn't exist.
You don't have to disprove the flying spaghetti monster, I have to prove it.
The same works for any subjective experience. They are hallucinations, pareidolia.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You just can't say that because I don't see doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Look, I could tell you there is a flying spaghetti monster, but unless I can actually show it to you, it doesn't exist.
You don't have to disprove the flying spaghetti monster, I have to prove it.
The same works for any subjective experience. They are hallucinations, pareidolia.
I'm not at all interested in trying to prove anything. People either get it or they don't. I'm okay with that. I'm just expressing my experience. I don't need to back that up--it's anecdotal, dontcha know.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'm not at all interested in trying to prove anything. People either get it or they don't. I'm okay with that. I'm just expressing my experience. I don't need to back that up--it's anecdotal, dontcha know.
Anecdotal? For whom? You? Get You?
It certainly doesn't have the medicinal qualities of the beer I'm drinking.
yeah, 'get me' using a word as per the dictionary.
"anecdotal: based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation: anecdotal evidence." --dictionary.com
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
yeah, 'get me' using a word as per the dictionary.
"anecdotal: based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation: anecdotal evidence." --dictionary.com
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This is a debate forum. Debates are usually centered on ideas. Meaning, all ideas do not originate out of you, or whatever connectedness you think have in the Universe of Ideas.
so ideas can't be anecdotal?
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This is a debate forum. Debates are usually centered on ideas. Meaning, all ideas do not originate out of you, or whatever connectedness you think have in the Universe of Ideas.
Interesting....
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
We most certainly are. This is about realism versus anti-realism.
I think it comes down to keeping your religion to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean-spirited way. I mean it in an informed way. If you are going to argue for miracles, talk about the Brit that fell 15, 000 feet to the ground yesterday when his parachute didn't open, and lived to talk about it.
I agree with Einstein's assertion of determinism, but not the invisible piper.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
We most certainly are. This is about realism versus anti-realism.
Yes, and as we can clearly see so far in this topic, there are sources from both sides (though I have to wonder about Biblical criticism using a Wiki as a source).
I think it comes down to keeping your religion to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean-spirited way. I mean it in an informed way. If you are going to argue for miracles, talk about the Brit that fell 15, 000 feet to the ground yesterday when his parachute didn't open, and lived to talk about it.
Fair enough--was it too much for me to ask why other religions weren't taken to task (and not just about miracles--I mean in general)? Or was it too much for me to post a counterpoint (even though it seems to have been ignored)?
Anyway, I'll be perfectly willing to carry this on tomorrow. The bed calls.
here is an example of an anti-realism poster in action, from a few days ago:
question: maybe then you can help clarify. were you against the stopping of the holocaust? that was the systematic killing of jews, slavs, people who were born a certain way, like what happens with gender.
answer: I'm not willing to make any highly important decision with far-reaching ramifications if I do not have the vision of insight with which to make it. That includes any retroactive decisions about the holocaust. I am not there, in that time period, assessing my variables, informed by the inner truth of my insight. For me to attempt to recreate that situation in the now is beyond my ability to do, with any sense of certainty and accuracy. Therefore, to me it would be an exercise in imagination, rather than depicting how I would actually deal were the situation happening in my life. Due to the inherent inaccuracy of doing so, I find there to be little to no reason to do it.
I'm not at all interested in trying to prove anything. People either get it or they don't. I'm okay with that. I'm just expressing my experience. I don't need to back that up--it's anecdotal, dontcha know.
That sounds kind of condescending. "People either get it, or they don't". So, they are either smart like you, or they are not. I see how it is.
Well, without assuming people are stupid. I can easily prove that walking across a grassy marsh isn't a miracle.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I think it comes down to keeping your religion to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean-spirited way. I mean it in an informed way. If you are going to argue for miracles, talk about the Brit that fell 15, 000 feet to the ground yesterday when his parachute didn't open, and lived to talk about it.
Wow, must have had a high calcium diet.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Fair enough--was it too much for me to ask why other religions weren't taken to task (and not just about miracles--I mean in general)? Or was it too much for me to post a counterpoint (even though it seems to have been ignored)?
It's open for anyone to post a "miracle" that has a natural explanation.
I did mention the recent Hindu drinking of sewage water. And statues that apparently drink milk.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
That sounds kind of condescending. "People either get it, or they don't". So, they are either smart like you, or they are not. I see how it is.
Well, without assuming people are stupid. I can easily prove that walking across a grassy marsh isn't a miracle.
People either perceive the spiritual or they do not. It's pretty clear to me. If you want to read in "stupid" and other things, be my guest. I stand behind what I say, and the intent with which I say it.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Yes, and as we can clearly see so far in this topic, there are sources from both sides (though I have to wonder about Biblical criticism using a Wiki as a source).
Fair enough--was it too much for me to ask why other religions weren't taken to task (and not just about miracles--I mean in general)? Or was it too much for me to post a counterpoint (even though it seems to have been ignored)?
Anyway, I'll be perfectly willing to carry this on tomorrow. The bed calls.
I'm not judging you. I'm a bit harsh on Angelica. I think she has a great creative mind that keeps finding itself thinking out loud here on the forum. In innappropriate ways, sometimes. Read the above post.
Religious folks tend to be healthier, live longer, have better relationships. I'm not knocking religion. There are some plusses.
I'm a bit harsh on Angelica. I think she has a great creative mind that keeps finding itself thinking out loud here on the forum. In innappropriate ways, sometimes.
I speak what works for me, and only have myself to answer to. Apparently you are not fond of some of my posts or my style. Your opinion is noted.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
People either perceive the spiritual or they do not. It's pretty clear to me. If you want to read in "stupid" and other things, be my guest. I stand behind what I say, and the intent with which I say it.
Well, people also perceive things which aren't real. So unless you can prove it as empirical fact, then it's like you said anecdotal.
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I don't discount anything I see, I get explanations.
I didn't say different. It makes sense that you found my post an affront to Sensibilty.
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Did you even read it? Can you not even extend that much courtesy since I'm actually trying to engage in rational discussion here?
You just can't say that because I don't see doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Look, I could tell you there is a flying spaghetti monster, but unless I can actually show it to you, it doesn't exist.
You don't have to disprove the flying spaghetti monster, I have to prove it.
The same works for any subjective experience. They are hallucinations, pareidolia.
Of course, and what is it that leads you?
I got my signature from a post you made.
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Anecdotal? For whom? You? Get You?
It certainly doesn't have the medicinal qualities of the beer I'm drinking.
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"anecdotal: based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation: anecdotal evidence." --dictionary.com
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WTF?!
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so ideas can't be anecdotal?
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Maybe I should start a new topic.
Does God transcend Time?
I think He does.
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We most certainly are. This is about realism versus anti-realism.
I think it comes down to keeping your religion to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean-spirited way. I mean it in an informed way. If you are going to argue for miracles, talk about the Brit that fell 15, 000 feet to the ground yesterday when his parachute didn't open, and lived to talk about it.
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The knowledge that things have physical causes.
I agree with Einstein's assertion of determinism, but not the invisible piper.
Fair enough--was it too much for me to ask why other religions weren't taken to task (and not just about miracles--I mean in general)? Or was it too much for me to post a counterpoint (even though it seems to have been ignored)?
Anyway, I'll be perfectly willing to carry this on tomorrow. The bed calls.
question: maybe then you can help clarify. were you against the stopping of the holocaust? that was the systematic killing of jews, slavs, people who were born a certain way, like what happens with gender.
answer: I'm not willing to make any highly important decision with far-reaching ramifications if I do not have the vision of insight with which to make it. That includes any retroactive decisions about the holocaust. I am not there, in that time period, assessing my variables, informed by the inner truth of my insight. For me to attempt to recreate that situation in the now is beyond my ability to do, with any sense of certainty and accuracy. Therefore, to me it would be an exercise in imagination, rather than depicting how I would actually deal were the situation happening in my life. Due to the inherent inaccuracy of doing so, I find there to be little to no reason to do it.
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That sounds kind of condescending. "People either get it, or they don't". So, they are either smart like you, or they are not. I see how it is.
Well, without assuming people are stupid. I can easily prove that walking across a grassy marsh isn't a miracle.
Wow, must have had a high calcium diet.
It's open for anyone to post a "miracle" that has a natural explanation.
I did mention the recent Hindu drinking of sewage water. And statues that apparently drink milk.
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I'm not judging you. I'm a bit harsh on Angelica. I think she has a great creative mind that keeps finding itself thinking out loud here on the forum. In innappropriate ways, sometimes. Read the above post.
Religious folks tend to be healthier, live longer, have better relationships. I'm not knocking religion. There are some plusses.
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You're a pontificator. I don't know what your style is. Maybe that's what it is.
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Well, people also perceive things which aren't real. So unless you can prove it as empirical fact, then it's like you said anecdotal.
Here's a few examples of misinterpreted phenomena
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_on_Mars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawn_Canadian_banknotes#1954_.22Devil.27s_Head.22_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_the_Moon#Pareidolia.2C_and_other_things_on_the_moon