Mircales Exposed!

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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    gue_barium wrote:
    God transcends time, you know. Cornifer wouldn't argue that. It's possible.
    ????????????
    WTF?!
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    angelica wrote:
    yeah, 'get me' using a word as per the dictionary.
    "anecdotal: based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation: anecdotal evidence." --dictionary.com

    This is a debate forum. Debates are usually centered on ideas. Meaning, all ideas do not originate out of you, or whatever connectedness you think have in the Universe of Ideas.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    This is a debate forum. Debates are usually centered on ideas. Meaning, all ideas do not originate out of you, or whatever connectedness you think have in the Universe of Ideas.

    so ideas can't be anecdotal?
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    gue_barium wrote:
    This is a debate forum. Debates are usually centered on ideas. Meaning, all ideas do not originate out of you, or whatever connectedness you think have in the Universe of Ideas.
    Interesting....
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  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    We're not on-topic anymore, are we?
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    dkst0426 wrote:
    We're not on-topic anymore, are we?
    It doesn't look like it.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    cornnifer wrote:
    ????????????
    WTF?!

    Maybe I should start a new topic.

    Does God transcend Time?

    I think He does.
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  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    angelica wrote:
    It doesn't look like it.
    That's a shame. Oh well--maybe in the morning.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    dkst0426 wrote:
    We're not on-topic anymore, are we?

    We most certainly are. This is about realism versus anti-realism.

    I think it comes down to keeping your religion to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean-spirited way. I mean it in an informed way. If you are going to argue for miracles, talk about the Brit that fell 15, 000 feet to the ground yesterday when his parachute didn't open, and lived to talk about it.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    gue_barium wrote:
    Of course, and what is it that leads you?

    I got my signature from a post you made.

    The knowledge that things have physical causes.

    I agree with Einstein's assertion of determinism, but not the invisible piper.
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  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    gue_barium wrote:
    We most certainly are. This is about realism versus anti-realism.
    Yes, and as we can clearly see so far in this topic, there are sources from both sides (though I have to wonder about Biblical criticism using a Wiki as a source).
    I think it comes down to keeping your religion to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean-spirited way. I mean it in an informed way. If you are going to argue for miracles, talk about the Brit that fell 15, 000 feet to the ground yesterday when his parachute didn't open, and lived to talk about it.
    Fair enough--was it too much for me to ask why other religions weren't taken to task (and not just about miracles--I mean in general)? Or was it too much for me to post a counterpoint (even though it seems to have been ignored)?

    Anyway, I'll be perfectly willing to carry this on tomorrow. The bed calls.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    here is an example of an anti-realism poster in action, from a few days ago:

    question: maybe then you can help clarify. were you against the stopping of the holocaust? that was the systematic killing of jews, slavs, people who were born a certain way, like what happens with gender.

    answer: I'm not willing to make any highly important decision with far-reaching ramifications if I do not have the vision of insight with which to make it. That includes any retroactive decisions about the holocaust. I am not there, in that time period, assessing my variables, informed by the inner truth of my insight. For me to attempt to recreate that situation in the now is beyond my ability to do, with any sense of certainty and accuracy. Therefore, to me it would be an exercise in imagination, rather than depicting how I would actually deal were the situation happening in my life. Due to the inherent inaccuracy of doing so, I find there to be little to no reason to do it.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    I'm not at all interested in trying to prove anything. People either get it or they don't. I'm okay with that. I'm just expressing my experience. I don't need to back that up--it's anecdotal, dontcha know.

    That sounds kind of condescending. "People either get it, or they don't". So, they are either smart like you, or they are not. I see how it is.

    Well, without assuming people are stupid. I can easily prove that walking across a grassy marsh isn't a miracle.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    gue_barium wrote:
    I think it comes down to keeping your religion to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean-spirited way. I mean it in an informed way. If you are going to argue for miracles, talk about the Brit that fell 15, 000 feet to the ground yesterday when his parachute didn't open, and lived to talk about it.

    Wow, must have had a high calcium diet. ;)
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Fair enough--was it too much for me to ask why other religions weren't taken to task (and not just about miracles--I mean in general)? Or was it too much for me to post a counterpoint (even though it seems to have been ignored)?

    It's open for anyone to post a "miracle" that has a natural explanation.

    I did mention the recent Hindu drinking of sewage water. And statues that apparently drink milk.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That sounds kind of condescending. "People either get it, or they don't". So, they are either smart like you, or they are not. I see how it is.

    Well, without assuming people are stupid. I can easily prove that walking across a grassy marsh isn't a miracle.
    People either perceive the spiritual or they do not. It's pretty clear to me. If you want to read in "stupid" and other things, be my guest. I stand behind what I say, and the intent with which I say it.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Yes, and as we can clearly see so far in this topic, there are sources from both sides (though I have to wonder about Biblical criticism using a Wiki as a source).


    Fair enough--was it too much for me to ask why other religions weren't taken to task (and not just about miracles--I mean in general)? Or was it too much for me to post a counterpoint (even though it seems to have been ignored)?

    Anyway, I'll be perfectly willing to carry this on tomorrow. The bed calls.

    I'm not judging you. I'm a bit harsh on Angelica. I think she has a great creative mind that keeps finding itself thinking out loud here on the forum. In innappropriate ways, sometimes. Read the above post.

    Religious folks tend to be healthier, live longer, have better relationships. I'm not knocking religion. There are some plusses.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'm a bit harsh on Angelica. I think she has a great creative mind that keeps finding itself thinking out loud here on the forum. In innappropriate ways, sometimes.
    I speak what works for me, and only have myself to answer to. Apparently you are not fond of some of my posts or my style. Your opinion is noted.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    angelica wrote:
    I speak what works for me, and only have myself to answer to. Apparently you are not fond of some of my posts or my style. Your opinion is noted.

    You're a pontificator. I don't know what your style is. Maybe that's what it is.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    People either perceive the spiritual or they do not. It's pretty clear to me. If you want to read in "stupid" and other things, be my guest. I stand behind what I say, and the intent with which I say it.

    Well, people also perceive things which aren't real. So unless you can prove it as empirical fact, then it's like you said anecdotal.

    Here's a few examples of misinterpreted phenomena
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_on_Mars
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawn_Canadian_banknotes#1954_.22Devil.27s_Head.22_Series
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_the_Moon#Pareidolia.2C_and_other_things_on_the_moon
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