Yeah, THAT's a really objective website and source of information. Totally balanced. :rolleyes:
Give me a break.
No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus got written well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources derive from hearsay accounts.
Somebody want to fill this guy in on how history gets written in general?
NON-CHRISTIAN SOURCES
Virtually all other claims of Jesus come from sources outside of Christian writings. Devastating to the claims of Christians, however, comes from the fact that all of these accounts come from authors who lived after the alleged life of Jesus. Since they did not live during the time of the hypothetical Jesus, none of their accounts serve as eyewitness evidence.
Uhm........again, somebody wnt to fill this guy in on how history got written in general, especially during that era?
Ridiculous, but it goes to show just how deep-seated one's contempt can go, and yet, when anyone who IS a Christian tries to speak up, they're labelled as "blind" or "intolerant" or "unenlightened."
I'm working on proving that Santa Claus is a myth (your tax dollars at work). When my theory proves correct, millions of children are going to cry around the world and Christmas will cease to exist ever again...
I'm by no means a religious person, but I think your missing the point of these stories..
The Bible portrays God as the ultimate control freak. Do as he/she/it says or be banished to hell for an eternity. Analogous to the kind of behavior we wouldn't condone in modern society. If you think rape, and abuse is bad, try banishing someone to hell for eternity because they doubted you.
The myth of God works only on fear. Without the fear of God there is no reason to believe in God and hence no reason to worship God or follow God's rules. If you think Hitler was bad, just wait for Armageddon. By contrast, Satan will accept anyone with open arms. Ironically, temptation is the devil's tool. Would then, the temptation of eternal life in heaven, not be the work of Satan. Perhaps Lucifer wrote the Bible. :cool:
ahnimus your such an iconoclast!! one dressed up in logic and freethinking.
Yeah, THAT's a really objective website and source of information. Totally balanced. :rolleyes:
Give me a break.
Somebody want to fill this guy in on how history gets written in general?
Uhm........again, somebody wnt to fill this guy in on how history got written in general, especially during that era?
Ridiculous, but it goes to show just how deep-seated one's contempt can go, and yet, when anyone who IS a Christian tries to speak up, they're labelled as "blind" or "intolerant" or "unenlightened."
why dont you fill us in? ive been dying for someone to make the historical case for Jesus. So go for it. it's allegedly his birthday so try divine inspiration
I take science with a grain of salt...it always changes.
It's called progress. Religion doesn't change, so now there are a bunch of outdated ideas religious people swear by, which causes problem. Fortunately, there are some religious people who see that progress is important.
why dont you fill us in? ive been dying for someone to make the historical case for Jesus. So go for it. it's allegedly his birthday so try divine inspiration
Your mindset (or at least exhibited through your posts) is that you have absolute contempt to actually consider what I or anyone might have to say as far as offering up proof for a historical Jesus.
And no, this isn't a backing down because I've got nothing to offer. This is a backing down because sometimes, it just isn't worth the effort. This would be one of those times, seeing as how it IS Jesus' birthday, and I've got a few things to attend to right now.
As I said to Ahnimus, I'll say to you: I'm sorry if you've had some negative experience with Christianity that seems to have soured you so much on the religion and its believers, I'm sorry if I seem less than gracious, but I don't see anything that demonstrates an actual willingness to engage in a real discussion about the issue.
Your mindset (or at least exhibited through your posts) is that you have absolute contempt to actually consider what I or anyone might have to say as far as offering up proof for a historical Jesus.
And no, this isn't a backing down because I've got nothing to offer. This is a backing down because sometimes, it just isn't worth the effort. This would be one of those times, seeing as how it IS Jesus' birthday, and I've got a few things to attend to right now.
As I said to Ahnimus, I'll say to you: I'm sorry if you've had some negative experience with Christianity that seems to have soured you so much on the religion and its believers, I'm sorry if I seem less than gracious, but I don't see anything that demonstrates an actual willingness to engage in a real discussion about the issue.
Actually, it isn't Jesus' birthday. It isn't even 2006.
It's called progress. Religion doesn't change, so now there are a bunch of outdated ideas religious people swear by, which causes problem. Fortunately, there are some religious people who see that progress is important.
I believe in scientific progress but not at the expense of the bible. The bible should be pounded into peoples heads from an early age.
Your mindset (or at least exhibited through your posts) is that you have absolute contempt to actually consider what I or anyone might have to say as far as offering up proof for a historical Jesus.
And no, this isn't a backing down because I've got nothing to offer. This is a backing down because sometimes, it just isn't worth the effort. This would be one of those times, seeing as how it IS Jesus' birthday, and I've got a few things to attend to right now.
As I said to Ahnimus, I'll say to you: I'm sorry if you've had some negative experience with Christianity that seems to have soured you so much on the religion and its believers, I'm sorry if I seem less than gracious, but I don't see anything that demonstrates an actual willingness to engage in a real discussion about the issue.
and if you read my posts, i maintain a belief that the man existed. i did not take a position on this subject until much later. i was curious what the board thought. it is not an attack to question. i have no contempt for Jesus. Happy Birthday to the dude.
Your mindset (or at least exhibited through your posts) is that you have absolute contempt to actually consider what I or anyone might have to say as far as offering up proof for a historical Jesus.
And no, this isn't a backing down because I've got nothing to offer. This is a backing down because sometimes, it just isn't worth the effort. This would be one of those times, seeing as how it IS Jesus' birthday, and I've got a few things to attend to right now.
As I said to Ahnimus, I'll say to you: I'm sorry if you've had some negative experience with Christianity that seems to have soured you so much on the religion and its believers, I'm sorry if I seem less than gracious, but I don't see anything that demonstrates an actual willingness to engage in a real discussion about the issue.
well...technically...it's not his birthday
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
People don't take the time to dig. If they did dig beneath the surface of what they are taught in sunday school they wouldn't proclaimm in big bold letters things like today IS Jesus's birthday. Not even close.
People don't take the time to dig. If they did dig beneath the surface of what they are taught in sunday school they wouldn't proclaimm in big bold letters things like today IS Jesus's birthday. Not even close.
or the anger they get when you tell them christianity picked this date b/c the pagans had their celebration at that time...oh well
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
or the anger they get when you tell them christianity picked this date b/c the pagans had their celebration at that time...oh well
Dont confuse them with the facts now. Same thing with Easter. Pagan holiday determined to be the day of the crucifixtion a full 323 years after the death of Jesus. A little reading on the emperor Constantine would be in order.
Dont confuse them with the facts now. Same thing with Easter. Pagan holiday determined to be the day of the crucifixtion a full 323 years after the death of Jesus. A little reading on the emperor Constantine would be in order.
If we're going to get into semantics, today is the OBSERVANCE of His birthday. Better?
Yes, I realize Christian traditions have pagan roots. I'm not going to get overly caught up in the roots of the traditions when the fruit is far more important.
Dont confuse them with the facts now. A little reading on the emperor Constantine would be in order.
Oh of course, why stoop for the blinded. Your erudition is blinding to those hankering to false truths, why your esoteric little menagerie yappers menacingly through the bars.........
You cannot escape the Thearchy with words my friends.
<<<<<STAND
Through Him and within Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and Honour are yours heavenly Father, forever & ever. Amen
Oh of course, why stoop for the blinded. Your erudition is blinding to those hankering to false truths, why your esoteric little menagerie yappers menacingly through the bars.........
You cannot escape the Thearchy with words my friends.
<<<<<STAND
Through Him and within Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and Honour are yours heavenly Father, forever & ever. Amen
<<<<<BE SEATED
Don't make me bust out my dictionary and shit.....
oh the conquistadors approach to religion. become christian or be annihilated.
I totally fogot about those murderous fuckers. Not trying to pee on any bodies christmas parade. But a whole lot of indigenous people on my continent died in the name of that Jesus fella. Some of it intentionally and some inadvertently. (millions of incas, mayans, and aztecs died of disease brought from Europe)
Oh of course, why stoop for the blinded. Your erudition is blinding to those hankering to false truths, why your esoteric little menagerie yappers menacingly through the bars.........
You cannot escape the Thearchy with words my friends.
<<<<<STAND
Through Him and within Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and Honour are yours heavenly Father, forever & ever. Amen
<<<<<BE SEATED
Ok this guy actually made me bust out a dictionary. You nailed me with erudition.....Ok and Theacracy too. Damn
I totally fogot about those murderous fuckers. Not trying to pee on any bodies christmas parade. But a whole lot of indigenous people on my continent died in the name of that Jesus fella. Some of it intentionally and some inadvertently. (millions of incas, mayans, and aztecs died of disease brought from Europe)
I read something once about the aztecs, they were into sacrificial worship of Gods and vastly outnumbered the spanish though believing (cos of the sight of men on horseback) they were insome way blessed. Maybe Im wrong but wasnt gold and profit the primary aim of the conquistadors,,,, murderous Im sure they were
Yes, I realize Christian traditions have pagan roots. I'm not going to get overly caught up in the roots of the traditions when the fruit is far more important.
and there are others who refuse to accept this, those who were my reply was aimed at, not someone like you
There's no anger over here. Just a realization of what the real point is, and a hope that more people would come to see it, or at least respect it.
well, my reply wasn't meant to be 100% all inclusive of every single 'christian' in the world...my ex's mother is a born again, same w/ my ex's sister and her husband...they take it too far...if you would say the holiday is based on pagan celebrations to them they'd get upset and not believe it...but then the husband sincerely believes they found adam and eve's bones and they were 50 ft tall but it's not reported b/c the secular humanists don't want the 'truth' to be known
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I believe in scientific progress but not at the expense of the bible. The bible should be pounded into peoples heads from an early age.
If you think that, you might as well forget about science altogether. The bible is a nice fairy tale with some very good life lessons in it (beneath the layers of bullshit), imo, but no thanks.
I can't believe a Christian, or at least that is what you claim to be, would feel this way about it.
Miller pounded into people's heads? Thats a rather poor choice of language if I ever saw it. Perhaps taught from a young age would be a better way to put it? I would think letting each person deciding whether they wanted to follow that path would be a better route to take, but everyone can bring up their children as they see fit. If God could be scientifically proven to be a non-entity (which will never happen but for sake of arguement) would you refuse to believe it? I don't think science has all the answers to life (far from it) but to dismiss its importance seems rather strange.
The wind is blowing cold
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
If you think that, you might as well forget about science altogether. The bible is a nice fairy tale with some very good life lessons in it (beneath the layers of bullshit), imo, but no thanks.
I can't believe a Christian, or at least that is what you claim to be, would feel this way about it.
Science is a bunch of bullshit that changes with the seasons. If you want to put your lfie in the hands of a doctor or scientist..than fine by me. lol
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Give me a break.
Somebody want to fill this guy in on how history gets written in general?
Uhm........again, somebody wnt to fill this guy in on how history got written in general, especially during that era?
Ridiculous, but it goes to show just how deep-seated one's contempt can go, and yet, when anyone who IS a Christian tries to speak up, they're labelled as "blind" or "intolerant" or "unenlightened."
I'm by no means a religious person, but I think your missing the point of these stories..
Where no God exists, anything is permissable.
why dont you fill us in? ive been dying for someone to make the historical case for Jesus. So go for it. it's allegedly his birthday so try divine inspiration
It's called progress. Religion doesn't change, so now there are a bunch of outdated ideas religious people swear by, which causes problem. Fortunately, there are some religious people who see that progress is important.
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I agree with this 100%.
naděje umírá poslední
And no, this isn't a backing down because I've got nothing to offer. This is a backing down because sometimes, it just isn't worth the effort. This would be one of those times, seeing as how it IS Jesus' birthday, and I've got a few things to attend to right now.
As I said to Ahnimus, I'll say to you: I'm sorry if you've had some negative experience with Christianity that seems to have soured you so much on the religion and its believers, I'm sorry if I seem less than gracious, but I don't see anything that demonstrates an actual willingness to engage in a real discussion about the issue.
Actually, it isn't Jesus' birthday. It isn't even 2006.
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I believe in scientific progress but not at the expense of the bible. The bible should be pounded into peoples heads from an early age.
well...technically...it's not his birthday
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
People don't take the time to dig. If they did dig beneath the surface of what they are taught in sunday school they wouldn't proclaimm in big bold letters things like today IS Jesus's birthday. Not even close.
or the anger they get when you tell them christianity picked this date b/c the pagans had their celebration at that time...oh well
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Dont confuse them with the facts now. Same thing with Easter. Pagan holiday determined to be the day of the crucifixtion a full 323 years after the death of Jesus. A little reading on the emperor Constantine would be in order.
A little reading goes with every religion though
Yes, I realize Christian traditions have pagan roots. I'm not going to get overly caught up in the roots of the traditions when the fruit is far more important.
There's no anger over here. Just a realization of what the real point is, and a hope that more people would come to see it, or at least respect it.
You cannot escape the Thearchy with words my friends.
<<<<<STAND
Through Him and within Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and Honour are yours heavenly Father, forever & ever. Amen
<<<<<BE SEATED
Don't make me bust out my dictionary and shit.....
oh the conquistadors approach to religion. become christian or be annihilated.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Ok this guy actually made me bust out a dictionary. You nailed me with erudition.....Ok and Theacracy too. Damn
certainly
and there are others who refuse to accept this, those who were my reply was aimed at, not someone like you
well, my reply wasn't meant to be 100% all inclusive of every single 'christian' in the world...my ex's mother is a born again, same w/ my ex's sister and her husband...they take it too far...if you would say the holiday is based on pagan celebrations to them they'd get upset and not believe it...but then the husband sincerely believes they found adam and eve's bones and they were 50 ft tall but it's not reported b/c the secular humanists don't want the 'truth' to be known
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'll say this much: you're one of the few who doesn't resort to the generalization.
If you think that, you might as well forget about science altogether. The bible is a nice fairy tale with some very good life lessons in it (beneath the layers of bullshit), imo, but no thanks.
I can't believe a Christian, or at least that is what you claim to be, would feel this way about it.
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Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
Science is a bunch of bullshit that changes with the seasons. If you want to put your lfie in the hands of a doctor or scientist..than fine by me. lol