they're better off with their mother so they can be raised like real human beings with emotions, not robots.
Ah, so they can be raised to bitch and whine and have their own bastard children?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
so they can be raised to be sympathetic, compassionate, empathetic, and helpful and caring towards others. not cold, arrogant, and dismissive.
You really don't know me, do you?
After all this time, you think I'm cold, arrogant and dismissive. The worst, I'm unsympathetic and lacking compassion.
I guess actually knowing me would be a shock to your system, your perception of me would be turned upside down.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
After all this time, you think I'm cold, arrogant and dismissive. The worst, I'm unsympathetic and lacking compassion.
I guess actually knowing me would be a shock to your system, your perception of me would be turned upside down.
that might go both ways. im not nearly as much of a prick in real life. but having worked with kids, describing them as robots you need to program is pretty fucked up to my way of thinking.
that might go both ways. im not nearly as much of a prick in real life. but having worked with kids, describing them as robots you need to program is pretty fucked up to my way of thinking.
Yea, but that's what they are. To some degree they already have programming, but it's mostly just a fuzzy logic system, IMO.
Honestly, I don't think you are the prick you make yourself out to be.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
one way beyond your ability to program though. you talk about parenting like kids are as easy to manipulate as an ipod.
There is a system to everything. I'm a pro at figuring out what that system is.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
if i hadnt spent the summer watching parents fuck up their kids beyond repair, id love to watch you try
I'll let you know when I adopt. By that time I should be financially stable enough to purchase a video camera.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
There is a system to everything. I'm a pro at figuring out what that system is.
You don't know anything about raising kids until you have them. PERIOD.
YOU DON'T KNOW. There is no system. They're already prewired and there's NOTHING you can do to change that. You can be a good or bad parent or somewhere in the middle, but you can't change who they already are; who they're wired to become.
How can I say this with any real certainty and tell you that you're completely wrong?
I'm a single parent of three amazing kids; honor roll, top ranked soccer player in the state, and one with a debilitating mental illness. He's been in a psychiatric hospital, under suicide watch.
HE'S 8.
I'm sick to death of hearing child-raising techniques from people who haven't had to live with their own kid curled on the floor, screaming that they want to die.
There's no system. Shut your ignorant face on behalf of every parent who's had a kid with an issue and has had to listen to moronic comments like yours.
When you're married, you'll understand the importance of fresh produce.
You don't know anything about raising kids until you have them. PERIOD.
YOU DON'T KNOW. There is no system. They're already prewired and there's NOTHING you can do to change that. You can be a good or bad parent or somewhere in the middle, but you can't change who they already are; who they're wired to become.
How can I say this with any real certainty and tell you that you're completely wrong?
I'm a single parent of three amazing kids; honor roll, top ranked soccer player in the state, and one with a debilitating mental illness. He's been in a psychiatric hospital, under suicide watch.
HE'S 8.
I'm sick to death of hearing child-raising techniques from people who haven't had to live with their own kid curled on the floor, screaming that they want to die.
There's no system. Shut your ignorant face on behalf of every parent who's had a kid with an issue and has had to listen to moronic comments like yours.
When you act this way, you encourage your children to.
I don't need to take your insults, because you are wrong and I know it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm sick to death of hearing child-raising techniques from people who haven't had to live with their own kid curled on the floor, screaming that they want to die.
Dude...that's way up there at the top the scale in life matters. I hope this was a one time only deal over something trivial.
Holy fuck...I'm at a loss...what is the diagnosis? What is the prognosis?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I was a "troubled" child. I spent many times curled up on the floor wanting to die. I could say that you don't know anything about that until you've been there. Therefor I would make a better parent because I have been that child.
But I won't say that because it's absolutely not true. Pick up a book on child development, preferably a book on psychology as well, and preferably from reliable sources.
I recommend a cross between Piaget and Vygotsky. Or any textbook on developmental psychology should cover all the bases.
Science tends to rule out any subjectivity and expose reality. Not just the ranting of a parent who can't control themselves, let alone raise a child properly.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It's very simple for a single mother to have a high income as I mentioned.
They just need lots of kids with different fathers. 3 kids should be enough.
They would get:
The maximum child support possible from each father
Welfare
Child tax bennefits
Subsidized housing
I've known fathers paying child support up to $500/month for each kid.
3 kids = $1500
Welfare is only available to minorities and single mothers. A welfare recipient can collect $1000/month easily.
That's $2500/month without the standard government checks.
I've known at least 3 mothers who legitimately collect this amount. One of them also collected disability for a learning disability (being stupid).
I personally knew a guy that lived in a closet. It's all he could afford paying support for 2 kids. The system sucks all the blood out of the fathers.
Is this the part where I start rolling my eyes, withdraw my apology and start calling "myths!"??
I have mentioned that my two children are from two different fathers, right? I did not receive any support from one father after my daughter was about 6 thru her adulthood, and from the other--the responsible one-- I have and still recieve exactly $305 per month, as ordered by the court about 7 years ago. Well, his lawyer was was able to get the amount down because over the years he was expected to be paying for his son's needed braces...... :rolleyes:
For the first 8 or so years after our split, I received 200 per month.
Ahnimus, I wonder who the heck you are hanging out with???
It's a little freaky the very active myths that are out there. I grant you, what you speak of is possible. I've known actually numerous single moms, working and otherwise, and no-one receives anything close to what you are putting out there. ....did I say "myth"???
Could you please explain how welfare is only available to minorites and single mothers?
Can you explain how a welfare recipient in ontario can receive 1000 monthly? You realize that the single person amount is 500 and some dollars to live on per month.
Family allowance is a little "better", but ALL and I mean ALL child support is deducted dollar for dollar, from the " social services support (FA or disability)" amount. So if someone receives 1000 in child support and pays 250 in rent to subsidized housing, with two kids, they will receive no money from social services because their income is too high. And again, rent-geared-to-income works very much in hand with social services dollar amounts. For example, living in social housing, I've known many people who get a reasonable income and they move out because they are then forced to pay market rent and if they are paying market rent, they'd prefer to move elsewhere. So, again, it's impossible, literally, to make 3000 per month and be accepted in subsidized housing to begin with. Speculation from the outside usually ends up indicating social-assistance-mythology in terms of end numbers in my experience. These myths are irritating, because when people think these mothers are living so well, it causes false resentment and fallout for these women and children who often, due to their lower socio-economic positioning, with broken families, and who are already isolated, burnt out and highly stressed are already prone to higher incidences of depression, etc. which fuels the cycles.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I hang out with some mythical people apparently. Maybe I'm psychotic, cause that's what I see.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Within 2 months she bought a new barbeque, a new stereo and designer clothes for her kids, while supporting her drug habit.
Don't get me wrong, I care for her and her children. I'm not out to make her look like a villian. I'm just saying, that's what I've been whitness to.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Pick up a book on child development, preferably a book on psychology as well, and preferably from reliable sources.
I recommend a cross between Piaget and Vygotsky. Or any textbook on developmental psychology should cover all the bases.
Science tends to rule out any subjectivity and expose reality. Not just the ranting of a parent who can't control themselves, let alone raise a child properly.
The ranting of a parent, etc. Interesting. And you recommend so many big names. There you are throwing out your venomous comments about how you could figure out how to make a kid work right.
Here's some ranting parental background: I have a PhD from Harvard in Child Development and I work as an assistant professor in the School of Education. Do you?
All I'm saying is this: all kids are wired differently. Some are going to develop serious mental illnesses. Would you tell a parent of a severely autistic child to read up on their Howard Gardner? Quote Piaget at a bipolar kid? Try Reggio Emilia on a child who's a sociopath?
Don't ever make the mistake of assuming that because you've read a book, you can fix a kid. That's infuriating.
I lecture on my kid's disability and I'm known as an expert in the field, but I can't stop what his brain is doing.
When you're married, you'll understand the importance of fresh produce.
I hang out with some mythical people apparently. Maybe I'm psychotic, cause that's what I see.
You mustn't see the part when they are receiving that $1,500 in child support and are living in "housing" and then social services sends them on their way without money, because they have more money already than they are entitled too. Social services money is not like "regular" income, where you can continue adding to it from other sources to rack up a big bank account. Or when they are living on 3000 a month, and susidized housing charges them full market value rent, because their RGI amount is high due to reasonable income.
I think subsidized housing charges you rent about 25 - 30% of your income. These figures cannot add up any other way.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
The ranting of a parent, etc. Interesting. And you recommend so many big names. There you are throwing out your venomous comments about how you could figure out how to make a kid work right.
Here's some ranting parental background: I have a PhD from Harvard in Child Development and I work as an assistant professor in the School of Education. Do you?
All I'm saying is this: all kids are wired differently. Some are going to develop serious mental illnesses. Would you tell a parent of a severely autistic child to read up on their Howard Gardner? Quote Piaget at a bipolar kid? Try Reggio Emilia on a child who's a sociopath?
Don't ever make the mistake of assuming that because you've read a book, you can fix a kid. That's infuriating.
I lecture on my kid's disability and I'm known as an expert in the field, but I can't stop what his brain is doing.
For being an expert in the field, you certainly are very aggressive.
In my experience people who read an understand the material you lay claim to are typically calm and collected. You are the opposite of what is typical, perhaps you don't really understand your own material.
Let me ask you, did you get your degree 50 years ago? Because this pre-wired nonsense is a little out-of-date.
If you want to know why your kid is having tantrums, trying talking to them.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
This might be the first time I recommend weed for a kid...
ok that was wrong...very wrong.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Dude...that's way up there at the top the scale in life matters. I hope this was a one time only deal over something trivial.
Holy fuck...I'm at a loss...what is the diagnosis? What is the prognosis?
It was earth shattering and he's getting help. It wasn't trivial; it's a full blown mental disorder. It's always going to be work for him and the rest of us, and we've had to reframe our lives and our expectations in the past few months. The prognosis is one day at a time. It's rough. Everything changes when your kid becomes genuinely suicidal.
When you're married, you'll understand the importance of fresh produce.
It was earth shattering and he's getting help. It wasn't trivial; it's a full blown mental disorder. It's always going to be work for him and the rest of us, and we've had to reframe our lives and our expectations in the past few months. The prognosis is one day at a time. It's rough. Everything changes when your kid becomes genuinely suicidal.
Something about that word implies it's not anything to do with an innate wiring.
Is he taking SSRIs?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It was earth shattering and he's getting help. It wasn't trivial; it's a full blown mental disorder. It's always going to be work for him and the rest of us, and we've had to reframe our lives and our expectations in the past few months. The prognosis is one day at a time. It's rough. Everything changes when your kid becomes genuinely suicidal.
I want you to know I'm in your corner, friend. I spent many years with bi-polar disorder, myself.
I'd watch the self-fulfilling prophecies, myself ( eg "it's always going to be work for him and the rest of us"). Recovery is entirely possible. I have recovered myself, and from numerous other disorders, too (for example a serious case of OCD ). The key is that while we carry the genetic predisposition for such "disorders" that predisposition can be made active, and by that token, it can also be made unactive. There is no easy answer. It was a long road for me before I was able to cancel out the effects of bi-polar disorder--8 years, to be exact. Also, my daughter began hearing voices as a young teen, and was hospitalized psychiatrically 6 times in her first year of high school. She is now 25 with no sign of mental illness. The opposite is the case, actually--she's a highly insightful and intuitive young woman. I also work in a crisis center/mental health association, and we use a recovery model, rather than an "illness" model. The focus makes all the difference in the outcome. My guess is you are becoming very aware of what works and what does not for your own child, thusly being your own expert, though. I'm sure you are willing to do what it takes to move through such challenges. Best wishes to you! Peace.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
It was earth shattering and he's getting help. It wasn't trivial; it's a full blown mental disorder. It's always going to be work for him and the rest of us, and we've had to reframe our lives and our expectations in the past few months. The prognosis is one day at a time. It's rough. Everything changes when your kid becomes genuinely suicidal.
Dana,
I really feel for you. I can only offer my strength in encouragement.
Children have a miraculous way of overcoming obstacles.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Something about that word implies it's not anything to do with an innate wiring.
The innate wiring is the predisposition. Then the environmental factors have wired that predisposition as the child grew. So the wiring is active and present, presenting as "ill". That does not mean it is written in stone. Our brain chemistry is dynamic, and can be changed. It is a very valid path to embark upon--that of healing and recovery.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Something about that word implies it's not anything to do with an innate wiring.
Is he taking SSRIs?
What my kid has is usually genetically based (that's what we mean by pre-wired) and usually goes full blown for kids around a certain age; hence the phrase "becomes suicidal." In hindsight, he always had quirks that were a buildup to his diagnosis, and I had been definitely watching for it. And then it happened.
But studies of brain scans with children with autism, bipolar, obsessive-compulsive and sociopathic disorders do clearly show that their thinking (or wiring), is different from kids who don't have these issues. The actual neural paths are different when having their OCD or sociopathic thoughts.
Let's just say that he is getting better and that drug trials can be terrible things.
For being an expert in the field, you certainly are very aggressive.
In my experience people who read an understand the material you lay claim to are typically calm and collected. You are the opposite of what is typical, perhaps you don't really understand your own material.
Of course I'm aggressive, and you clearly have never spent time in the Faculty Club at Harvard. It's fairly loud. Not calm and collected. And I believe that my reputation, published papers and work at Harvard that has me on the tenure track is a slight indication that I may possibly understand this material.
Within 2 months she bought a new barbeque, a new stereo and designer clothes for her kids, while supporting her drug habit.
Don't get me wrong, I care for her and her children. I'm not out to make her look like a villian. I'm just saying, that's what I've been whitness to.
I realize you are seeing what you are seeing.
Maybe she got a big tax refund. That's not unheard of. Or borrowed money. Or somehow has credit? And really, illegal activity is possible, too. I'm saying the system as it stands does not support "high living" at all. It's not normal that single moms in Ontario have high child support incomes and very low rent and while not working are rolling in money. That's a fairytale from what I've seen. And again, it can happen.....
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
that might go both ways. im not nearly as much of a prick in real life. but having worked with kids, describing them as robots you need to program is pretty fucked up to my way of thinking.
I prefer to think of children as sponges who soak up what is around them.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
What my kid has is usually genetically based (that's what we mean by pre-wired) and usually goes full blown for kids around a certain age; hence the phrase "becomes suicidal." In hindsight, he always had quirks that were a buildup to his diagnosis, and I had been definitely watching for it. And then it happened.
But studies of brain scans with children with autism, bipolar, obsessive-compulsive and sociopathic disorders do clearly show that their thinking (or wiring), is different from kids who don't have these issues. The actual neural paths are different when having their OCD or sociopathic thoughts.
Let's just say that he is getting better and that drug trials can be terrible things.
Of course I'm aggressive, and you clearly have never spent time in the Faculty Club at Harvard. It's fairly loud. Not calm and collected. And I believe that my reputation, published papers and work at Harvard that has me on the tenure track is a slight indication that I may possibly understand this material.
Hmmm. Tantrums. Try reading what I wrote and don't minimize my situation.
Yea, sorry, I don't remember you saying he had OCD. I assumed it was just depression.
As a child, as young as 8, I would have black-outs and try to kill people, including myself. That's the epitome of the sense of lacking authorship, in my experience. But I doubt that was genetic, it was environmental, caused by a traumatic experience. Over the next ten years it faded away and now I'm really happy. But I attribute much of my happiness to good philosophies.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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they're better off with their mother so they can be raised like real human beings with emotions, not robots.
Ah, so they can be raised to bitch and whine and have their own bastard children?
so they can be raised to be sympathetic, compassionate, empathetic, and helpful and caring towards others. not cold, arrogant, and dismissive.
You really don't know me, do you?
After all this time, you think I'm cold, arrogant and dismissive. The worst, I'm unsympathetic and lacking compassion.
I guess actually knowing me would be a shock to your system, your perception of me would be turned upside down.
that might go both ways. im not nearly as much of a prick in real life. but having worked with kids, describing them as robots you need to program is pretty fucked up to my way of thinking.
Yea, but that's what they are. To some degree they already have programming, but it's mostly just a fuzzy logic system, IMO.
Honestly, I don't think you are the prick you make yourself out to be.
one way beyond your ability to program though. you talk about parenting like kids are as easy to manipulate as an ipod.
There is a system to everything. I'm a pro at figuring out what that system is.
if i hadnt spent the summer watching parents fuck up their kids beyond repair, id love to watch you try
I'll let you know when I adopt. By that time I should be financially stable enough to purchase a video camera.
You don't know anything about raising kids until you have them. PERIOD.
YOU DON'T KNOW. There is no system. They're already prewired and there's NOTHING you can do to change that. You can be a good or bad parent or somewhere in the middle, but you can't change who they already are; who they're wired to become.
How can I say this with any real certainty and tell you that you're completely wrong?
I'm a single parent of three amazing kids; honor roll, top ranked soccer player in the state, and one with a debilitating mental illness. He's been in a psychiatric hospital, under suicide watch.
HE'S 8.
I'm sick to death of hearing child-raising techniques from people who haven't had to live with their own kid curled on the floor, screaming that they want to die.
There's no system. Shut your ignorant face on behalf of every parent who's had a kid with an issue and has had to listen to moronic comments like yours.
When you act this way, you encourage your children to.
I don't need to take your insults, because you are wrong and I know it.
Dude...that's way up there at the top the scale in life matters. I hope this was a one time only deal over something trivial.
Holy fuck...I'm at a loss...what is the diagnosis? What is the prognosis?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I was a "troubled" child. I spent many times curled up on the floor wanting to die. I could say that you don't know anything about that until you've been there. Therefor I would make a better parent because I have been that child.
But I won't say that because it's absolutely not true. Pick up a book on child development, preferably a book on psychology as well, and preferably from reliable sources.
I recommend a cross between Piaget and Vygotsky. Or any textbook on developmental psychology should cover all the bases.
Science tends to rule out any subjectivity and expose reality. Not just the ranting of a parent who can't control themselves, let alone raise a child properly.
I have mentioned that my two children are from two different fathers, right? I did not receive any support from one father after my daughter was about 6 thru her adulthood, and from the other--the responsible one-- I have and still recieve exactly $305 per month, as ordered by the court about 7 years ago. Well, his lawyer was was able to get the amount down because over the years he was expected to be paying for his son's needed braces...... :rolleyes:
For the first 8 or so years after our split, I received 200 per month.
Ahnimus, I wonder who the heck you are hanging out with???
It's a little freaky the very active myths that are out there. I grant you, what you speak of is possible. I've known actually numerous single moms, working and otherwise, and no-one receives anything close to what you are putting out there. ....did I say "myth"???
Could you please explain how welfare is only available to minorites and single mothers?
Can you explain how a welfare recipient in ontario can receive 1000 monthly? You realize that the single person amount is 500 and some dollars to live on per month.
Family allowance is a little "better", but ALL and I mean ALL child support is deducted dollar for dollar, from the " social services support (FA or disability)" amount. So if someone receives 1000 in child support and pays 250 in rent to subsidized housing, with two kids, they will receive no money from social services because their income is too high. And again, rent-geared-to-income works very much in hand with social services dollar amounts. For example, living in social housing, I've known many people who get a reasonable income and they move out because they are then forced to pay market rent and if they are paying market rent, they'd prefer to move elsewhere. So, again, it's impossible, literally, to make 3000 per month and be accepted in subsidized housing to begin with. Speculation from the outside usually ends up indicating social-assistance-mythology in terms of end numbers in my experience. These myths are irritating, because when people think these mothers are living so well, it causes false resentment and fallout for these women and children who often, due to their lower socio-economic positioning, with broken families, and who are already isolated, burnt out and highly stressed are already prone to higher incidences of depression, etc. which fuels the cycles.
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She was unemployed.
Within 2 months she bought a new barbeque, a new stereo and designer clothes for her kids, while supporting her drug habit.
Don't get me wrong, I care for her and her children. I'm not out to make her look like a villian. I'm just saying, that's what I've been whitness to.
The ranting of a parent, etc. Interesting. And you recommend so many big names. There you are throwing out your venomous comments about how you could figure out how to make a kid work right.
Here's some ranting parental background: I have a PhD from Harvard in Child Development and I work as an assistant professor in the School of Education. Do you?
All I'm saying is this: all kids are wired differently. Some are going to develop serious mental illnesses. Would you tell a parent of a severely autistic child to read up on their Howard Gardner? Quote Piaget at a bipolar kid? Try Reggio Emilia on a child who's a sociopath?
Don't ever make the mistake of assuming that because you've read a book, you can fix a kid. That's infuriating.
I lecture on my kid's disability and I'm known as an expert in the field, but I can't stop what his brain is doing.
I think subsidized housing charges you rent about 25 - 30% of your income. These figures cannot add up any other way.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
For being an expert in the field, you certainly are very aggressive.
In my experience people who read an understand the material you lay claim to are typically calm and collected. You are the opposite of what is typical, perhaps you don't really understand your own material.
Let me ask you, did you get your degree 50 years ago? Because this pre-wired nonsense is a little out-of-date.
If you want to know why your kid is having tantrums, trying talking to them.
ok that was wrong...very wrong.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It was earth shattering and he's getting help. It wasn't trivial; it's a full blown mental disorder. It's always going to be work for him and the rest of us, and we've had to reframe our lives and our expectations in the past few months. The prognosis is one day at a time. It's rough. Everything changes when your kid becomes genuinely suicidal.
Something about that word implies it's not anything to do with an innate wiring.
Is he taking SSRIs?
I'd watch the self-fulfilling prophecies, myself ( eg "it's always going to be work for him and the rest of us"). Recovery is entirely possible. I have recovered myself, and from numerous other disorders, too (for example a serious case of OCD ). The key is that while we carry the genetic predisposition for such "disorders" that predisposition can be made active, and by that token, it can also be made unactive. There is no easy answer. It was a long road for me before I was able to cancel out the effects of bi-polar disorder--8 years, to be exact. Also, my daughter began hearing voices as a young teen, and was hospitalized psychiatrically 6 times in her first year of high school. She is now 25 with no sign of mental illness. The opposite is the case, actually--she's a highly insightful and intuitive young woman. I also work in a crisis center/mental health association, and we use a recovery model, rather than an "illness" model. The focus makes all the difference in the outcome. My guess is you are becoming very aware of what works and what does not for your own child, thusly being your own expert, though. I'm sure you are willing to do what it takes to move through such challenges. Best wishes to you! Peace.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Dana,
I really feel for you. I can only offer my strength in encouragement.
Children have a miraculous way of overcoming obstacles.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
What my kid has is usually genetically based (that's what we mean by pre-wired) and usually goes full blown for kids around a certain age; hence the phrase "becomes suicidal." In hindsight, he always had quirks that were a buildup to his diagnosis, and I had been definitely watching for it. And then it happened.
But studies of brain scans with children with autism, bipolar, obsessive-compulsive and sociopathic disorders do clearly show that their thinking (or wiring), is different from kids who don't have these issues. The actual neural paths are different when having their OCD or sociopathic thoughts.
Let's just say that he is getting better and that drug trials can be terrible things.
Of course I'm aggressive, and you clearly have never spent time in the Faculty Club at Harvard. It's fairly loud. Not calm and collected. And I believe that my reputation, published papers and work at Harvard that has me on the tenure track is a slight indication that I may possibly understand this material.
Hmmm. Tantrums. Try reading what I wrote and don't minimize my situation.
Maybe she got a big tax refund. That's not unheard of. Or borrowed money. Or somehow has credit? And really, illegal activity is possible, too. I'm saying the system as it stands does not support "high living" at all. It's not normal that single moms in Ontario have high child support incomes and very low rent and while not working are rolling in money. That's a fairytale from what I've seen. And again, it can happen.....
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
Yea, sorry, I don't remember you saying he had OCD. I assumed it was just depression.
As a child, as young as 8, I would have black-outs and try to kill people, including myself. That's the epitome of the sense of lacking authorship, in my experience. But I doubt that was genetic, it was environmental, caused by a traumatic experience. Over the next ten years it faded away and now I'm really happy. But I attribute much of my happiness to good philosophies.