Is homosexuality a disease?

onelongsong

from what i see; very few people; hetro or not; are capable of raising children.

VictoryGin

onelongsong wrote:

how do you define disease? i wish i had a dollar for every time i heard "i'm going back to men". this tells me you're not born with it. especially when i hear "i'm switching to women" by women. and women letting their dogs lick them goes far back in history.
my opinion is do what you want; just don't involve me.

ummmm . . . what?

NCfan

farfromglorified wrote:

NC, why do you keep tying conception to childrearing? Nature seperates those concepts for very good reasons.

Becuase I feel that it is unfair to a child to be concieved by a lesbian couple. There is an incredible likelyhood that the child will not be gay. And there is the incredible likelyhood that a hetero child does not want to be reared by gay parents.

Ahnimus

Identical Twins: 52%
Fraternal Twins: 23%
(Roughly)

Concordance rates for homosexuality in 110 male twin pairs. From the higher concordance for identical twin pairs, we can infer that genes influence one's sexual orientation.
Based on Bailey & Pillard, 1991
(David R. Schaffer, 1999)

Notice the keyword being influence, for it to be 100% true the concordance would have to be 100%. Genetics are merely one determinent.

VictoryGin

NCfan wrote:

Becuase I feel that it is unfair to a child to be concieved by a lesbian couple. There is an incredible likelyhood that the child will not be gay. And there is the incredible likelyhood that a hetero child does not want to be reared by gay parents.

who gets to choose their parents?

NCfan

VictoryGin wrote:

oh, so it got your attention, man. see, i have been thinking and asking questions but you don't answer them.

again, this "fact" that you're stuck on--by nature's design (whatever that means) a homo couple cannot get pregnant, yet a hetero couple can. so again, do you feel it is as unnatural and wrong for an infertile/impotent couple to raise a kid as you do a gay couple?

I give up, you're just not mentally capable...

RainDog

NCfan wrote:

Becuase I feel that it is unfair to a child to be concieved by a lesbian couple.

Assuming that it's unfair - since when is life fair?

deadnote

like i always say

gay men are disgusting and gay women are beautiful

say what you will about my opinion its how i feel

polaris

NCfan wrote:

Becuase I feel that it is unfair to a child to be concieved by a lesbian couple. There is an incredible likelyhood that the child will not be gay. And there is the incredible likelyhood that a hetero child does not want to be reared by gay parents.

this will get the troops up in arms!! ... ha!

really - you are just making up these assumptions cuz nothing is based on any fact ...

NCfan

RainDog wrote:

Assuming that it's unfair - since when is life fair?

Life is not fair, but that does not negate that their are still morals in life.

VictoryGin

deadnote wrote:

like i always say

gay men are disgusting and gay women are beautiful

say what you will about my opinion its how i feel

are you a guy?

VictoryGin

polaris wrote:

this will get the troops up in arms!! ... ha!

really - you are just making up these assumptions cuz nothing is based on any fact ...

careful polaris you may be deemed not mentally capable.

deadnote

yes i am a guy

RainDog

NCfan wrote:

Life is not fair, but that does not negate that their are still morals in life.

So, you're saying that homosexuality is immoral? Assuming the couple doesn't have sex in front of the child (and ask any person - no one wants to know what their parents do in bed, gay or straight), what is it about the family arrangement that's immoral?

chromiam

NCfan wrote:

Becuase I feel that it is unfair to a child to be concieved by a lesbian couple. There is an incredible likelyhood that the child will not be gay. And there is the incredible likelyhood that a hetero child does not want to be reared by gay parents.

I didn't like that my parents separated when I was 12, what can I do about that??? Someone's sexuality has no bearing on how well or badly they can raise a child.

VictoryGin

deadnote wrote:

yes i am a guy

thanks for answering.

seagoat2

NCfan wrote:

Becuase I feel that it is unfair to a child to be concieved by a lesbian couple. There is an incredible likelyhood that the child will not be gay. And there is the incredible likelyhood that a hetero child does not want to be reared by gay parents.

There is also an incredible liklihood that a hetero or gay child doesn't want to be raised by drug-addicted/alcoholic/violently abusive parents either.....but it happens all the time. I'd call that unfair too.

I think if 2 people are good parents, they'll be able to raise healthy, well rounded children no matter if they're gay or not.

NCfan

RainDog wrote:

So, you're saying that homosexuality is immoral? Assuming the couple doesn't have sex in front of the child (and ask any person - no one wants to know what their parents do in bed, gay or straight), what is it about the family arrangement that's immoral?

No, I'm not saying that homosexuality is immoral. I'm saying that it is immoral for lesbians to bring a child into the world, when in all likelyhood the child will resent them for it.

stuckinline

NCfan wrote:

No, I'm not saying that homosexuality is immoral. I'm saying that it is immoral for lesbians to bring a child into the world, when in all likelyhood the child will resent them for it.

please, please, please show me a link to back up this statement

Ahnimus

The old psychoanalytic view that male homosexuality stems from having a domineering mother and a weak father has received little support (LeVay, 1996)

Nor is there any compelling evidence for the long-standing "seduction hypothesis" - the idea that homosexuals have been lured into the lifestyle by an older same-sex companion. Even the once-popular notion that fathers who reject their sons will make them effeminate and push them toward homosexuality has failed to gain much support (Bell et al., 1981; Green, 1987)

And growing up with a gay or lesbian parent also seems to have little impact on later sexual orientation(Bailey et al., 1995; Golombok & Tasker, 1996)

A more promising hypothesis is that hormonal influences during the prenatal period may be important. For example, women exposed before birth to diethylstilbestoral(DES) or to heightened levels of androgen are more likely than other women to express a bisexual or lesbian orientation, a finding that suggests that high prenatal(before birth) doses of sex hormones may dispose at least some females to homosexuality (Dittman et al., 1992; Meyer-Bahlberg et al., 1995)

However, the fact is that no one yet knows exactly which factors in the prenatal or postnatal (after birth) environments contribute, along with genes, to a homosexual orientation (Berenbaum & Snyder, 1995; Paul, 1993)

(David R, Shaffer 1999)