Ankle-biting Democrats

HughFreakingDillon

When Trump is done we’ll be hearing from the same know it alls that the R party is dead. Blah blah blah. 

DE4173

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https://x.com/ericswalwell/status/1960420288320930009?t=CLF3kLFxLYJD8e2KB2R79Q&s=19

PJ_Soul

Maybe the Dems need to start talking about how they're going to immediately undo all of Trump's ridiculous tariffs and re-negotiate actual good trade deals, re-fill/reestablish all the ransacked important federal departments, renew all the cancelled grants, rebuild USAID, restore funding to public broadcasters, rebuild the broken relationships and research in universities, give those 7 million people back their health insurance, and save the non-criminal immigrants who got send off to random third-world countries, and pull the military out of DC and whatever other cities end up under military control by the Trump is finished, release the DOC and all the other federal law enforcement agencies from presidential control..... Basically, run on undoing all the stupid, harmful things that Trump has done. 

DE4173

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Gern Blansten

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the Dems need to start talking about how they're going to immediately undo all of Trump's ridiculous tariffs and re-negotiate actual good trade deals, re-fill/reestablish all the ransacked important federal departments, renew all the cancelled grants, rebuild USAID, restore funding to public broadcasters, rebuild the broken relationships and research in universities, give those 7 million people back their health insurance, and save the non-criminal immigrants who got send off to random third-world countries, and pull the military out of DC and whatever other cities end up under military control by the Trump is finished, release the DOC and all the other federal law enforcement agencies from presidential control..... Basically, run on undoing all the stupid, harmful things that Trump has done. 

agreed....and that should be the theme

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

No. What I'm pushing back on is "death knell". Its overly dramatic. The 2 parties have lost voters to each other in the past 170 years. Hand wring for the short term, not for the Democrats long term viability. 

The phrase is meant to be amusing hyperbole.

However a net migration of 5 million registered voters from D to R is a significant problem. Voter reg is supposed to be the dem sweet spot. No more.

Go Beavers

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

No. What I'm pushing back on is "death knell". Its overly dramatic. The 2 parties have lost voters to each other in the past 170 years. Hand wring for the short term, not for the Democrats long term viability. 

The phrase is meant to be amusing hyperbole.

However a net migration of 5 million registered voters from D to R is a significant problem. Voter reg is supposed to be the dem sweet spot. No more.

I didn’t read every word of what you posted earlier, but I don’t think it said there was a migration of D to R. Maybe I missed it though. 

Halifax2TheMax

From Letter From An American. All politics are local.

Tonight, Democrat Catelin Drey won a special election for the Iowa state senate, breaking a Republican supermajority and flipping a seat in a district Trump won by 11.5 points in 2024. Drey won the seat by 10.4%, showing a swing of more than 2o points to the Democrats. And in a seven-way race in Georgia for the state Senate in a deep red district, the lone Democrat, Debra Shigley, came in first with 40% of the vote. Since no candidate won 50% of the vote, Shigley will face whichever Republican candidate comes out on top—the top two are currently hovering around 17%—in a runoff on September 23. 

DE4173

Excellent news!

josevolution

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the Dems need to start talking about how they're going to immediately undo all of Trump's ridiculous tariffs and re-negotiate actual good trade deals, re-fill/reestablish all the ransacked important federal departments, renew all the cancelled grants, rebuild USAID, restore funding to public broadcasters, rebuild the broken relationships and research in universities, give those 7 million people back their health insurance, and save the non-criminal immigrants who got send off to random third-world countries, and pull the military out of DC and whatever other cities end up under military control by the Trump is finished, release the DOC and all the other federal law enforcement agencies from presidential control..... Basically, run on undoing all the stupid, harmful things that Trump has done. 

That should be the message but I believe that this administration more particularly this president did all these things with the intention of not giving up power! Why do all these screwed up things if there’s a chance a democrat could win in 28 and reverse it all? They have a plan to stay in power! They will claim the elections can’t be trusted because Democrats are going to cheat and he will not allow election to happen, that’s how I see it happening 

Lerxst1992

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

No. What I'm pushing back on is "death knell". Its overly dramatic. The 2 parties have lost voters to each other in the past 170 years. Hand wring for the short term, not for the Democrats long term viability. 

The phrase is meant to be amusing hyperbole.

However a net migration of 5 million registered voters from D to R is a significant problem. Voter reg is supposed to be the dem sweet spot. No more.

I didn’t read every word of what you posted earlier, but I don’t think it said there was a migration of D to R. Maybe I missed it though. 

It was a major analysis of voter registration published by the NYT, and discussed by quite a few commenters in the last week or so.

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 According to an August 2025 analysis by 

The New York Times, the Republican Party saw a net migration of registered voters from the Democratic Party between the 2020 and 2024 elections. The study found that Republicans gained a net of 4.5 million voters over Democrats in the 30 states that track party registration. 

Key findings from the Times analysis

The voter registration data analyzed by the Times, in collaboration with the data firm L2, highlighted several key shifts: ”

PJ_Soul

josevolution said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the Dems need to start talking about how they're going to immediately undo all of Trump's ridiculous tariffs and re-negotiate actual good trade deals, re-fill/reestablish all the ransacked important federal departments, renew all the cancelled grants, rebuild USAID, restore funding to public broadcasters, rebuild the broken relationships and research in universities, give those 7 million people back their health insurance, and save the non-criminal immigrants who got send off to random third-world countries, and pull the military out of DC and whatever other cities end up under military control by the Trump is finished, release the DOC and all the other federal law enforcement agencies from presidential control..... Basically, run on undoing all the stupid, harmful things that Trump has done. 

That should be the message but I believe that this administration more particularly this president did all these things with the intention of not giving up power! Why do all these screwed up things if there’s a chance a democrat could win in 28 and reverse it all? They have a plan to stay in power! They will claim the elections can’t be trusted because Democrats are going to cheat and he will not allow election to happen, that’s how I see it happening 

Agreed, but that doesn't mean the Dems shouldn't try. 

DE4173

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Lerxst1992

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the Dems need to start talking about how they're going to immediately undo all of Trump's ridiculous tariffs and re-negotiate actual good trade deals, re-fill/reestablish all the ransacked important federal departments, renew all the cancelled grants, rebuild USAID, restore funding to public broadcasters, rebuild the broken relationships and research in universities, give those 7 million people back their health insurance, and save the non-criminal immigrants who got send off to random third-world countries, and pull the military out of DC and whatever other cities end up under military control by the Trump is finished, release the DOC and all the other federal law enforcement agencies from presidential control..... Basically, run on undoing all the stupid, harmful things that Trump has done. 

That should be the message but I believe that this administration more particularly this president did all these things with the intention of not giving up power! Why do all these screwed up things if there’s a chance a democrat could win in 28 and reverse it all? They have a plan to stay in power! They will claim the elections can’t be trusted because Democrats are going to cheat and he will not allow election to happen, that’s how I see it happening 

Agreed, but that doesn't mean the Dems shouldn't try. 

It is not fair to say ending crackdowns on universities would be widely popular. At best it’s a divisive 50/50 issue.

It may not be smart politics for Dems to believe the administration did not put research into this issue before acting. Who knows what their internal polls told them. Here’s a public one.

https://manhattan.institute/article/national-higher-education-poll-americans-distrust-universities-but-back-bold-reforms

Americans of all ages, party affiliations, and racial backgrounds are sounding the alarm: trust in higher education is crumbling, and the system is in need of sweeping reform. Just 15% of voters say they have a great deal of trust in Ivy League colleges—less than almost every other major public institution, including the media. By a double-digit margin, and across a range of demographics, Americans believe that universities are on the wrong track, with overwhelming bipartisan and multiracial support for bold changes: banning disruptive protests, abolishing race-based admissions, reining in DEI, and restoring free speech and academic rigor. Despite deep political division, Americans agree that higher education has lost its way and that it is time to restore excellence.

Trust Levels

Colleges and universities face a crisis of trust. Only one in five (20%) registered voters say they have a “great deal” of trust in America’s public colleges and universities to act in the best interests of the public. Almost four in ten say they have “not much” trust (23%) or no trust at all (14%) in public colleges and universities, while 58% say they have a great deal (20%) or some trust (38%).

Private Ivy League colleges and universities inspire even less confidence. Only 15% of registered voters say they have a great deal of trust in these institutions, while three in ten (31%) have some trust. 46% overall say they have not much (25%) or no trust at all (21%).

HughFreakingDillon

federal crackdowns on universities IS a problem. Universities will ultimately choose course based on majority public opinion, like the poll you posted. Most of those are reasonable, and like any progressive institution, is going to have missteps when tryin to maintain policies that are in line with broader public opinion while also trying to be fair to the general public. 

remember, many education institutions during the civil rights era decided to make changes based on what was right, and had to wait for public support to catch up. And some of these proposed initiatives counter one another-like enforcing civil discourse while at the same time restoring free speech. Disrupting events, for example, is too vague. 

Halifax2TheMax

Do posters think the change in public sentiment regarding higher education happened in a vacuum? Just because? Like they don’t perform in the “public’s” best interest?

Stupid continues to win. Good lord are we fucked.

Halifax2TheMax

Do posters think the change in public sentiment regarding higher education happened in a vacuum? Just because? Like they don’t perform in the “public’s” best interest?

Stupid (poll respondents) continues to win. Good lord are we fucked.

Lerxst1992

Let's pretend universities were not caught putting Asian and white male applicants at the bottom of  the applications pile. Most people don't think like the elitist Democrats do. Because, the universities know what's best, and of course public opinion will catch up with them. It just has to be that way. 

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

Let's pretend universities were not caught putting Asian and white male applicants at the bottom of  the applications pile. Most people don't think like the elitist Democrats do. Because, the universities know what's best, and of course public opinion will catch up with them. It just has to be that way. 

let's pretend a sitting president isn't using his office to force higher education and museums to remove anything that makes his "side" look bad. 

most people don't think like people who claim to be independents do. 

Go Beavers

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

No. What I'm pushing back on is "death knell". Its overly dramatic. The 2 parties have lost voters to each other in the past 170 years. Hand wring for the short term, not for the Democrats long term viability. 

The phrase is meant to be amusing hyperbole.

However a net migration of 5 million registered voters from D to R is a significant problem. Voter reg is supposed to be the dem sweet spot. No more.

I didn’t read every word of what you posted earlier, but I don’t think it said there was a migration of D to R. Maybe I missed it though. 

It was a major analysis of voter registration published by the NYT, and discussed by quite a few commenters in the last week or so.

”

 According to an August 2025 analysis by 

The New York Times, the Republican Party saw a net migration of registered voters from the Democratic Party between the 2020 and 2024 elections. The study found that Republicans gained a net of 4.5 million voters over Democrats in the 30 states that track party registration. 

Key findings from the Times analysis

The voter registration data analyzed by the Times, in collaboration with the data firm L2, highlighted several key shifts: ”

And if you read the article, it talks about gains and losses. The only reference about ‘migration to’ is when it talks about Pennsylvania.