John McCain for President

mammasan

lazymoon13 wrote:

from the link below.


"withdrawal would condemn Iraq to civil war and intervention by its neighbors and energize al Qaeda and other jihadists across the globe. This would gravely jeopardize American security"




http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/FDEB03A7-30B0-4ECE-8E34-4C7EA83F11D8.htm


but he's not.

Yes the whole we are fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here rational. Or the if we leave they will follow us here logic as well. It's all bullshit. We continue to pursue a military solution, McCain believes in this as well, to a political/religious problem. The majority of the influence being exerted in iraq is not coming from jihadist organizations like Al Qaida, but from Iran and Saudi Arabia for political reasons.

I also find it funny that we constantly hear about Iran supporting Shi'ite militias in Iraq but we never hear anything about Saudi meddling, considering that a report by our intelligence agencies stated that 41% of all foreign fighters and aid is coming from Saudi Arabia.

Thecure

and here is an article on McCain from Roland martin that i found interesting.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/06/roland.martin/index.html

sweetpotato

lazymoon13 wrote:

this rant has extra special meaning because of the Italics. nice touch.

um, actually i put it into italics b/c it's not mine, but bill mahr's. new rules. perhaps you've seen it? :rolleyes:

interesting that you have nothing to say about the CONTENT of what was in italics, just that the type slants to the right.

lazymoon13

mammasan wrote:

Yes the whole we are fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here rational. Or the if we leave they will follow us here logic as well. It's all bullshit. We continue to pursue a military solution, McCain believes in this as well, to a political/religious problem. The majority of the influence being exerted in iraq is not coming from jihadist organizations like Al Qaida, but from Iran and Saudi Arabia for political reasons.

I also find it funny that we constantly hear about Iran supporting Shi'ite militias in Iraq but we never hear anything about Saudi meddling, considering that a report by our intelligence agencies stated that 41% of all foreign fighters and aid is coming from Saudi Arabia.

yea, I'm not completely on board with mccain's thinking when it comes to Iraq. my hope is that conditions will change enough for him to change his ideas in the coming future.

lazymoon13

sweetpotato wrote:

um, actually i put it into italics b/c it's not mine, but bill mahr's. new rules. perhaps you've seen it? :rolleyes:

interesting that you have nothing to say about the CONTENT of what was in italics, just that the type slants to the right.

well what would you like me to comment on exactly?

brandon10

lazymoon13 wrote:

yea, I'm not completely on board with mccain's thinking when it comes to Iraq. my hope is that conditions will change enough for him to change his ideas in the coming future.

Wow. You hope conditions change so that your candidate will change. Impressive.

sweetpotato

lazymoon13 wrote:

well what would you like me to comment on exactly?

gee, if i have to do all the heavy lifting for you, i'm not surprised you have the word "lazy" in your screen name. maybe more appropos would be "lazythinking", hmm? and isn't that what got us into this fucking bush-mess to begin with? lazy thinkers voting for the guy they'd like to have a beer with, as opposed to the guys who might have a few original thoughts going on upstairs.

maher made some good points, cloaked in humor but true nonetheless. if you care to reread it, here ya go (i've bolded the points, so your brain won't be too taxed lookin' for 'em...):

And finally, New Rule: Old soldiers never die. They get young soldiers killed. This week, John McCain said for the third time in two days that Iran, a Shiite stronghold, was training Al Qaeda, a militant Sunni organization. That the Hatfields of the Muslim world would be working with the McCoys, is so not true even Dick Cheney hasn't said it.

Now, the press, which loves McCain because he feeds them barbecue--dismissed this as just one of those senior moments --not to worry, he's only going to have his finger on the nuclear trigger.

But, it's not just a gaffe. It's what McCain really thinks. And therein lies the paradox of this campaign. McCain's strength is really his weakness. He's a warrior who's dumb about war.

Now, if you ever read The Art of War, chapter three of The Art of War says, "Know thy enemy." And John McCain plainly doesn't. He thinks the solution is our presence in the Middle East. No, the problem is our presence in the Middle East. That's why I don't care if John McCain is better than Bush on global warming or torture or campaign finance, because he's exactly the same as Bush on the war. They both don't get the same thing.

That, as long as we're setting up shop in the heart of the Arab world, we're not keeping America safer. Bin Laden goes ballistic over cartoons in Danish newspapers. And "Goober" and "Grandpa" want to put up a Hooters in Fallujah.

They don't hate us for our freedom. They hate us for our fiefdom. Winning the war on terror comes down to this: what will make us safer from pissed-off Arab teenagers who are willing to die? There are a number of good answers to that question, but occupying their land for the next hundred years is not one of them.

Some people look at McCain and see a tough guy who's going to protect us from the Islamofascists. I look at him and see a walking Tom Clancy action figure who's going to get us all killed.

And yet a new poll shows that a majority of Americans believe John McCain is the candidate best qualified to answer when that red phone rings at three a.m. Because he'd be up anyway trying to pee.

Yes, 55% of Americans think it's McCain who should answer that phone, because they know John McCain is a warrior. He will not waver or hesitate. He will answer that phone and give the order that sends men to die. And it will turn out to be a recording asking him if he's happy with his mortgage.

Thecure

sweetpotato wrote:

um, actually i put it into italics b/c it's not mine, but bill mahr's. new rules. perhaps you've seen it? :rolleyes:

interesting that you have nothing to say about the CONTENT of what was in italics, just that the type slants to the right.

it is a shame that Bill Mahr said that. he usually thinks what i consider clear headed. can any one please answer this question. you destroyed the country and now because you can handle it you just say get out. that's fair.

lazymoon13

sweetpotato wrote:

gee, if i have to do all the heavy lifting for you, i'm not surprised you have the word "lazy" in your screen name. maybe more appropos would be "lazythinking", hmm? and isn't that what got us into this fucking bush-mess to begin with? lazy thinkers voting for the guy they'd like to have a beer with, as opposed to the guys who might have a few original thoughts going on upstairs.

I'd be much more inclined to debate with you if you didn't decide to use insults. mammasan is right, its people like you who ruin this board.

lazymoon13

brandon10 wrote:

Wow. You hope conditions change so that your candidate will change. Impressive.

yes, I hope conditions in Iraq improve to the point that Mccain wouldn't have to promise to send more american troops to Iraq. what don't you understand about that?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

lazymoon13 wrote:

mammasan is right, its people like you who ruin this board.

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sweetpotato

lazymoon13 wrote:

I'd be much more inclined to debate with you if you didn't decide to use insults. mammasan is right, its people like you who ruin this board.

:rolleyes: not everyone enjoys being told the truth. i can accept that.

how am i insulting you by simply calling you out for being mentally lazy in this situation?

and how is that a valid excuse for not addressing the points i so kindly bolded for your convenience?? so now you're being DOUBLY lazy. thanks for proving my point.

lazymoon13

sweetpotato wrote:

:rolleyes: not everyone enjoys being told the truth. i can accept that.

how am i insulting you by simply calling you out for being mentally lazy in this situation?

and how is that a valid excuse for not addressing the points i so kindly bolded for your convenience?? so now you're being DOUBLY lazy. thanks for proving my point.

listen sweetie, there is nothing to point out. you have an opinion (actually someone else's as you take as your own. but I'm the lazy one) I don't exactly see eye to eye with mccain on the Iraq issue. but overall, I think he is a much better candidate that hilary or obama

SilverSeed

lazymoon13 wrote:

I'd be much more inclined to debate with you if you didn't decide to use insults. mammasan is right, its people like you who ruin this board.

Pot, kettle, black?

I absolutely love that you use johnmccain.com as a reference for your love of McCain. Everything you read about him or said by him is clearly truth, not to be questioned. But anything Obama or Hillary says is dissected and cross referenced. Just say you like McCain and move the fuck on. This thread could have been worthwhile, but like most threads that get your fancy, you hijacked this one and now have 5-10 people tearing you a new one.

And for the love of christ: stop trolling, waiting for a reaction, then telling everyone else they're the reason this board sucks. YOU are the exact reason people spend less time here. Personally I'd like to see a variety of ideas and personalities posting, but your bullshit clogs everything up.

Edit: Wow, sorry everyone, had to vent there...

NMyTree

John McCain for President

Just this title alone should scare the fuckin' hell out of every rational, mature, progressive-thinking american.

Just the thought of it sends chills up my spine and give me the heebeegeebees.

mammasan

I absolutely love that Hillary and Obama supporters are criticizing McCain supporters. You are all basically voting for the same bag of shit. I'm sure there are differences among them and each one will run the country in a different manner and in a different direction but none of them will do what is absolutely necessary to right this country. They will do what is best for their financial backers and their party and the rest of us will just sit their and smile at the meager table scraps that get thrown our way.

NMyTree

mammasan wrote:

I absolutely love that Hillary and Obama supporters are criticizing McCain supporters. You are all basically voting for the same bag of shit. I'm sure there are differences among them and each one will run the country in a different manner and in a different direction but none of them will do what is absolutely necessary to right this country. They will do what is best for their financial backers and their party and the rest of us will just sit their and smile at the meager table scraps that get thrown our way.

Just for the record, I am not a Hillary or Obama supporter.

And obviously not a McCain supporter, either.

Just wanted to make that clear

mammasan

NMyTree wrote:

Just for the record, I am not a Hillary or Obama supporter.

And obviously not a McCain supporter, either.

Just wanted to make that clear

I wasn't refering to you when I posted that. Sorry if you thought I was.

lazymoon13

SilverSeed wrote:

Pot, kettle, black?

I absolutely love that you use johnmccain.com as a reference for your love of McCain. Everything you read about him or said by him is clearly truth, not to be questioned. But anything Obama or Hillary says is dissected and cross referenced. Just say you like McCain and move the fuck on. This thread could have been worthwhile, but like most threads that get your fancy, you hijacked this one and now have 5-10 people tearing you a new one.

And for the love of christ: stop trolling, waiting for a reaction, then telling everyone else they're the reason this board sucks. YOU are the exact reason people spend less time here. Personally I'd like to see a variety of ideas and personalities posting, but your bullshit clogs everything up.

Edit: Wow, sorry everyone, had to vent there...

wow who the fuck do you think you are? so help me understand this. using mccain's website is a bad thing? why? are we not allowed to have a discussion about a person who very well might be the next president? how I am trolling? I started a thread to discuss john mccain. thats trolling? and how did I hijack my own thread? you have some serious issues. wow talk about trolling.

lazymoon13

NMyTree wrote:

John McCain for President

Just this title alone should scare the fuckin' hell out of every rational, mature, progressive-thinking american.

Just the thought of it sends chills up my spine and give me the heebeegeebees.

will you be moving to canada?

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/75-threatening-to-move-to-canada/