John McCain for President

lazymoon13

brandon10 wrote:

Relax???? Are you fucking kidding? McCain is a puppet. He will invade Iran, which will embolden all terrorists and you will see mass amount of terror inside the U.S.

His worst position is national security. Not like he has any good positions. He's pathetic, he's old, he sucks Bush's cock, and he can barely even read the teleprompter anymore. If he can't even read the words written for him, he won't even make a good puppet.

yes, relax. there is a vein popping out of your head as you type. mccain will not invade Iran. I thought the terrorists were already embolded from us invading Iraq, why haven't we seen mass amounts of terror inside the US?

DOSW

McCain will not win the general election.

He will be pounded for his pro-war agenda.... the Dems will use the 100 years comment, the "bomb Iran" song and the "Iran is training al-Qaeda" quote among other things which will make him lose any credibility he might have now.

He will be marketed by the Dems as four more years of the same Bush policies. And people will buy it. The rift between Hillary and Obama supporters will heal when Hillary makes a public statement after she loses encouraging her supporters to vote for Obama in the general election.

Barack Obama will be the next president of the United States.


That's my official prediction.

lazymoon13

DOSW wrote:

McCain will not win the general election.

He will be pounded for his pro-war agenda.... the Dems will use the 100 years comment, the "bomb Iran" song and the "Iran is training al-Qaeda" quote among other things which will make him lose any credibility.

He will be marketed by the Dems as four more years of the same Bush policies. And people will buy it. The rift between Hillary and Obama supporters will heal when Hillary makes a public statement after she loses encouraging her supporters to vote for Obama in the general election.

Barack Obama will be the next president of the United States.


That's my official prediction.

thats a fine opinion but obama has many more issues that will make him lose credibility with middle America and most independents. the issues you mentioned about mccain will be easily explained and justified.

DOSW

lazymoon13 wrote:

thats a fine opinion but obama has many more issues that will make him lose credibility with middle America and most independents. the issues you mentioned about mccain will be easily explained and justified.

Maybe, but Obama has a way of deflecting any attacks that come at him... even if they are harped on for weeks it seems to never affect his standings in the polls.

To me, though, McCain's comments about Iran training al-Qaeda is indefensible. For someone who claims the war in Iraq as one of the strongest aspects of his campaign, to not understand a fundamental aspect of the violence over there (i.e. the sectarian divide) is just shameful. And he didn't "misspeak," either... he said it numerous times before he was corrected.

The outcome will depend on the strength of each campaign, really. If Obama runs a weak campaign (which is unlikely), then McCain will win. But I wouldn't count on it.

lazymoon13

DOSW wrote:

To me, though, McCain's comments about Iran training al-Qaeda is indefensible.

and being friends with is guy is?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/17/fact-check-obamas-relationship-with-william-ayers/

DOSW

lazymoon13 wrote:

and being friends with is guy is?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/17/fact-check-obamas-relationship-with-william-ayers/

They're not friends. They don't hold similar views. They served together on the board of a charity. That's it.

In that article it said that Ayers had him over for dinner one time in the mid 90's. to introduce him to people. So what? It was a political move if anything.

theroachman

lazymoon13 wrote:

and being friends with is guy is?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/17/fact-check-obamas-relationship-with-william-ayers/

And Senator McCain thanking Pastor John Hagee for his support is ok? But a tenuous connection at best with an ex 60 radical is bad?

lazymoon13

DOSW wrote:

They're not friends. They don't hold similar views. They served together on the board of a charity. That's it.

In that article it said that Ayers had him over for dinner one time in the mid 90's. to introduce him to people. So what? It was a political move if anything.

so what? so what? im speechless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)

RolandTD20Kdrummer

lazymoon13 wrote:

relax.

http://images.cafepress.com/image/12541053_400x400.jpg

RolandTD20Kdrummer

lazymoon13 wrote:

this is the first mccain thread I've seen in my short time here.

short time you say?

lazymoon13

theroachman wrote:

And Senator McCain thanking Pastor John Hagee for his support is ok?

no its not ok. are mccain and hagee associates? friends? or just an endorsement ?

theroachman wrote:

But a tenuous connection at best with an ex 60 radical is bad?

yes, its very bad. the man is responsible for killing Americans.

theroachman

lazymoon13 wrote:

no its not ok. are mccain and hagee associates? friends? or just an endorsement ?


yes, its very bad. the man is responsible for killing Americans.

Really?

An anti semite and anti catholic Paster is ok by you?

Senator McCain thank Paster Hagee for his support and they hang out

Who did Ayers kill exaclty?

lazymoon13

theroachman wrote:

Really?

An anti semite and anti catholic Paster is ok by you?

no, its not ok with me.

theroachman wrote:

Senator McCain thank Paster Hagee for his support and they hang out

they hang out?

theroachman wrote:

Who did Ayers kill exaclty?

read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)

theroachman

Here is the nice things Senator McCain said about the scum bag Hagee

Yesterday, Senator John McCain said he was “very honored by Pastor John Hagee’s endorsement.” The Republican presidential hopeful also called Hagee “the staunchest leader of our Christian evangelical movement,” citing the minister’s pro-Israel stance.


http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1393

theroachman

lazymoon13 wrote:

so what? so what? im speechless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)

you link does not work

theroachman

Opps looks like it was Senator McCain that seeked Hagee's endorsment

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/magazine/23wwln-q4-t.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=hagee&st=nyt&oref=slogin

As a prominent evangelical pastor based in San Antonio, you were recently catapulted into national controversy when you endorsed Senator John McCain for president. Is it true that McCain actively sought your endorsement? It’s true that McCain’s campaign sought my endorsement.

lazymoon13

theroachman wrote:

Opps looks like it was Senator McCain that seeked Hagee's endorsment

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/magazine/23wwln-q4-t.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=hagee&st=nyt&oref=slogin

As a prominent evangelical pastor based in San Antonio, you were recently catapulted into national controversy when you endorsed Senator John McCain for president. Is it true that McCain actively sought your endorsement? It’s true that McCain’s campaign sought my endorsement.

interesting interview

How did you feel when critics called you a Catholic-basher and said McCain should reject your endorsement?

My statements regarding the Catholic Church have been grossly mischaracterized. I never called the Catholic Church “the anti-Christ” or a “false cult system.” I was referring to those Christians who ignore the Gospels.

theroachman

“In Hagee’s latest book, Jerusalem Countdown, he calls Hitler a Catholic who murdered Jews while the Catholic Church did nothing. ‘The sell-out of Catholicism to Hitler began not with the people but with the Vatican itself,’ he writes.

“For the record, Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church and was automatically excommunicated in 1931—two years before he assumed power—when he acted as best man at Joseph Goebbel’s Protestant wedding. Hitler even bragged about his separation from the Church. As for doing nothing about the Holocaust, Sir Martin Gilbert reminds us that Goebbels denounced Pope Pius XII for his 1942 Christmas message criticizing the Nazis (the New York Times lauded the pope for doing so in an editorial for two years in a row). Much to Hagee’s chagrin, Gilbert also says that Pius XII saved three quarters of the Jews in Rome, and that more Jews were saved proportionately in Catholic countries than Protestant countries. Indeed, Israeli diplomat Pinchas Lapide credited the Catholic Church with saving 860,000 Jews. No religion can match that.

http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1393

Its in his book. Are you saying the editor of his book miss this?

lazymoon13

theroachman wrote:

“In Hagee’s latest book, Jerusalem Countdown, he calls Hitler a Catholic who murdered Jews while the Catholic Church did nothing. ‘The sell-out of Catholicism to Hitler began not with the people but with the Vatican itself,’ he writes.

“For the record, Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church and was automatically excommunicated in 1931—two years before he assumed power—when he acted as best man at Joseph Goebbel’s Protestant wedding. Hitler even bragged about his separation from the Church. As for doing nothing about the Holocaust, Sir Martin Gilbert reminds us that Goebbels denounced Pope Pius XII for his 1942 Christmas message criticizing the Nazis (the New York Times lauded the pope for doing so in an editorial for two years in a row). Much to Hagee’s chagrin, Gilbert also says that Pius XII saved three quarters of the Jews in Rome, and that more Jews were saved proportionately in Catholic countries than Protestant countries. Indeed, Israeli diplomat Pinchas Lapide credited the Catholic Church with saving 860,000 Jews. No religion can match that.

http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1393

Its in his book. Are you saying the editor of his book miss this?

i'm not going to defend this guy. or defend mccain for accepting an endorsement. but these two don't have as close of ties as you'd like to believe.

DOSW

lazymoon13 wrote:

i'm not going to defend this guy. or defend mccain for accepting an endorsement. but these two don't have as close of ties as you'd like to believe.

And Obama's ties with Ayers are practically non-existent. The fact that they were both serving on the board of a charity does not mean they are friends (as you falsely claimed) or even hold remotely similar political beliefs. That's spin if I've ever seen it.

Like Obama said, he knows him. That's it.

[EDIT] And you know, having to defend Obama over this BS is ridiculous while McCain's self admitted lack of economic knowledge and his ignorance over the sectarian violence in Iraq is disregarded. It's too bad another Republican isn't in the race still, because McCain's flops (which are SIGNIFICANT, unlike these Obama non-issues) are getting a free pass while the Dems are too busy attacking one another.