John McCain for President

lazymoon13

DOSW wrote:

And Obama's ties with Ayers are practically non-existent. The fact that they were both serving on the board of a charity does not mean they are friends (as you falsely claimed) or even hold remotely similar political beliefs. That's spin if I've ever seen it.

Like Obama said, he knows him. That's it.

he invited him over to his home. neither of us know the extent of their relationship but there was one. along with his spiritual mentor, those relationships both bother me enough to not consider voting for him.

DOSW wrote:

[EDIT] And you know, having to defend Obama over this BS is ridiculous while McCain's self admitted lack of economic knowledge and his ignorance over the sectarian violence in Iraq is disregarded. It's too bad another Republican isn't in the race still, because McCain's flops (which are SIGNIFICANT, unlike these Obama non-issues) are getting a free pass while the Dems are too busy attacking one another.

mccain has a solid economic plan and even now is trying to put forth a bill that would eliminate the federal gas tax this summer. cool by me.

and what free pass? mccain was hammered by the media for his al queda mistake. and he will be hammered later im sure during the debates.

theroachman

Elimanate the Federal Gas Tax

Yeah!!! lets make our roads even worse!!!

Where do you think the money is going to come for large road prodjects?

theroachman

lazymoon13 wrote:

and what free pass? mccain was hammered by the media for his al queda mistake. and he will be hammered later im sure during the debates.

Do you have Fox News refferances showing this hammering you say Senator McCain recieved???

lazymoon13

theroachman wrote:

Do you have Fox News refferances showing this hammering you say Senator McCain recieved???

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/19/mccain-mistakenly-says-iran-allowing-al-qaeda-fighters-into-country-later-corrects-error/

docwoo812

10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):

1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."2

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3
4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."4
5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.5
6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.6
7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."7
8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."9

10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10

Sources:
1. "The Complicated History of John McCain and MLK Day," ABC News, April 3, 2008
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/the-complicated.html
"McCain Facts," ColorOfChange.org, April 4, 2008
http://colorofchange.org/mccain_facts/
2. "McCain More Hawkish Than Bush on Russia, China, Iraq," Bloomberg News, March 12, 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aF28rSCtk0ZM&refer=us
"Buchanan: John McCain 'Will Make Cheney Look Like Gandhi,'" ThinkProgress, February 6, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/buchanan-gandhi-mccain/
3. "McCain Sides With Bush On Torture Again, Supports Veto Of Anti-Waterboarding Bill," ThinkProgress, February 20, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/20/mccain-torture-veto/
4. "McCain says Roe v. Wade should be overturned," MSNBC, February 18, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17222147/
5. "2007 Children's Defense Fund Action Council® Nonpartisan Congressional Scorecard," February 2008
http://www.childrensdefense.org/site/PageServer?pagename=act_learn_scorecard2007
"McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion," CNN, October 3, 2007
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/mccain.interview/
6. "Beer Executive Could Be Next First Lady," Associated Press, April 3, 2008
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-S1sWHm0tchtdMP5LcLywg5ZtMgD8VQ86M80
"McCain Says Bank Bailout Should End `Systemic Risk,'" Bloomberg News, March 25, 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHMiDVYaXZFM&refer=home
7. "Will McCain's Temper Be a Liability?," Associated Press, February 16, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4301022
"Famed McCain temper is tamed," Boston Globe, January 27, 2008
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/27/famed_mccain_temper_is_tamed/
8. "Black Claims McCain's Campaign Is Above Lobbyist Influence: 'I Don't Know What The Criticism Is,'" ThinkProgress, April 2, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/02/mccain-black-lobbyist/
"McCain's Lobbyist Friends Rally 'Round Their Man," ABC News, January 29, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4210251
9. "McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam," Mother Jones Magazine, March 12, 2008
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html
"Will McCain Specifically 'Repudiate' Hagee's Anti-Gay Comments?," ThinkProgress, March 12, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/mccain-hagee-anti-gay/
"McCain 'Very Honored' By Support Of Pastor Preaching 'End-Time Confrontation With Iran,'" ThinkProgress, February 28, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/28/hagee-mccain-endorsement/
10. "John McCain Gets a Zero Rating for His Environmental Record," Sierra Club, February 28, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/environment/77913/

Byrnzie

BinFrog wrote:

McCain will beat himself..

You mean like this?....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER0zKTGI2g8

brandon10

docwoo812 wrote:

10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):

1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."2

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3
4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."4
5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.5
6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.6
7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."7
8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."9

10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10

Sources:
1. "The Complicated History of John McCain and MLK Day," ABC News, April 3, 2008
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/the-complicated.html
"McCain Facts," ColorOfChange.org, April 4, 2008
http://colorofchange.org/mccain_facts/
2. "McCain More Hawkish Than Bush on Russia, China, Iraq," Bloomberg News, March 12, 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aF28rSCtk0ZM&refer=us
"Buchanan: John McCain 'Will Make Cheney Look Like Gandhi,'" ThinkProgress, February 6, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/buchanan-gandhi-mccain/
3. "McCain Sides With Bush On Torture Again, Supports Veto Of Anti-Waterboarding Bill," ThinkProgress, February 20, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/20/mccain-torture-veto/
4. "McCain says Roe v. Wade should be overturned," MSNBC, February 18, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17222147/
5. "2007 Children's Defense Fund Action Council® Nonpartisan Congressional Scorecard," February 2008
http://www.childrensdefense.org/site/PageServer?pagename=act_learn_scorecard2007
"McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion," CNN, October 3, 2007
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/mccain.interview/
6. "Beer Executive Could Be Next First Lady," Associated Press, April 3, 2008
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-S1sWHm0tchtdMP5LcLywg5ZtMgD8VQ86M80
"McCain Says Bank Bailout Should End `Systemic Risk,'" Bloomberg News, March 25, 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHMiDVYaXZFM&refer=home
7. "Will McCain's Temper Be a Liability?," Associated Press, February 16, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4301022
"Famed McCain temper is tamed," Boston Globe, January 27, 2008
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/27/famed_mccain_temper_is_tamed/
8. "Black Claims McCain's Campaign Is Above Lobbyist Influence: 'I Don't Know What The Criticism Is,'" ThinkProgress, April 2, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/02/mccain-black-lobbyist/
"McCain's Lobbyist Friends Rally 'Round Their Man," ABC News, January 29, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4210251
9. "McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam," Mother Jones Magazine, March 12, 2008
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html
"Will McCain Specifically 'Repudiate' Hagee's Anti-Gay Comments?," ThinkProgress, March 12, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/mccain-hagee-anti-gay/
"McCain 'Very Honored' By Support Of Pastor Preaching 'End-Time Confrontation With Iran,'" ThinkProgress, February 28, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/28/hagee-mccain-endorsement/
10. "John McCain Gets a Zero Rating for His Environmental Record," Sierra Club, February 28, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/environment/77913/

Thankyou. This is what McCain can expect. No free rides.

I realize these are not all about issues. But if you want to attack other candidates with your bullshit spinjobs then this is fairplay.

Collin

Hillary, Obama, McCain

theroachman

brandon10 wrote:

Thankyou. This is what McCain can expect. No free rides.

I realize these are not all about issues. But if you want to attack other candidates with your bullshit spinjobs then this is fairplay.

**********

theroachman

lazymoon13 wrote:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/19/mccain-mistakenly-says-iran-allowing-al-qaeda-fighters-into-country-later-corrects-error/

Thats a puff piece that is not a hammering. A hammering would have inlcuded the other times he made the same or simmilar mistakes. Such as the time he admited he did not know there was a differance between Sunnis and Shiites.

lazymoon13

docwoo812 wrote:

10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):

1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1

good thing he evolved.

docwoo812 wrote:

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."2

who gives a fuck what bloomberg says. secondly, good. I want a president to stand up to the injustices in China and Russia.

docwoo812 wrote:

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3

wow talk about spin. from the source you posted.......

I said there should be additional techniques allowed to other agencies of government as long as they were not torture. “I was on the record as saying that they could use additional techniques as long as they were not cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment,” McCain said.

docwoo812 wrote:

4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."4

obviously a you have a liberal stance. but many american's agree with mccain here.

docwoo812 wrote:

5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.5

republicans are against UHC. didn't you know that?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/31/bush.schip/index.html

docwoo812 wrote:

6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires.

so?
hilary and obama are also millionaires. whats your point?

2007 income:

Mccain: $405,409
Obama: $4.2 million
Hilary: $20.4 million ($109 million since 2000)

docwoo812 wrote:

The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.6

good, I think that is sound advice. maybe next time those americans facing foreclosure will learn not to take a loan they can't afford to pay back. o wait, are you expecting the government you bail everyone out? i'm not.

docwoo812 wrote:

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."7

:rolleyes: I mean this is all you got?

docwoo812 wrote:

8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8

good for him. presidential candidates need donated money to win an election. is it ok for obama and hilary to have lobbyist but not mccain?

docwoo812 wrote:

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."9

but you are more then willing to give obama a pass? mccain was seeking out an endorsement from hagee in order to gain votes. nothing more. so what? as for parsley, yea I don't like him either.

docwoo812 wrote:

10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/John_McCain_Environment.htm

lazymoon13

theroachman wrote:

Thats a puff piece that is not a hammering. A hammering would have inlcuded the other times he made the same or simmilar mistakes. Such as the time he admited he did not know there was a differance between Sunnis and Shiites.

you asked for a link and I gave you one but its not enough. and why do yuo ONLY want fox news proof? mccain was headline news for days when he made this mistake.

Collin

lazymoon13 wrote:

who gives a fuck what bloomberg says. secondly, good. I want a president to stand up to the injustices in China and Russia.

How exactly is he going to "stand up" against the injustices in China and Russia?

Engage in yet another war, one which the US will undoubtedly lose?

More war = less liberties. It's the simple truth.

lazymoon13

Collin wrote:

How exactly is he going to "stand up" against the injustices in China and Russia?

Engage in yet another war, one which the US will undoubtedly lose?

More war = less liberties. It's the simple truth.

no there are other ways to stand up to them. war isn't one of them.

Collin

lazymoon13 wrote:

no there are other ways to stand up to them. war isn't one of them.

How will he stand up the the injustices in China and Russia?

And does he also plan to stand up against the injustices in the US?

I just naturally assumed the old madman wanted war

lazymoon13

Collin wrote:

How will he stand up the the injustices in China and Russia?

And does he also plan to stand up against the injustices in the US?

I just naturally assumed the old madman wanted war

you honestly think he would go to war with china and/or russia? WAR?

Collin

lazymoon13 wrote:

you honestly think he would go to war with china and/or russia? WAR?

I believe a sane person wouldn't

But this isn't about what I think he would do, it's about what he would do.

So what would he do? Do you know where I can find his stance on China and Russia or a website where I can find out how exactly he wants to stand up against the injustices in the world?

edit: the more I read into him, the more I'm convinced that he's a bigger threat to America than 'terrorism'.

lazymoon13

Collin wrote:

I believe a sane person wouldn't

But this isn't about what I think he would do, it's about what he would do.

So what would he do? Do you know where I can find his stance on China and Russia or a website where I can find out how exactly he wants to stand up against the injustices in the world?

in regards to russia...

In a major foreign policy address, the Republican presidential candidate called for expelling Russia from the Group of Eight industrialized nations to punish Moscow for backsliding on democratic reforms.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1304400~McCain_vows_to_take_tougher_stance_against_Russia_than_Bush.html


on china...can't find much

http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/NussbaumOnDesign/archives/2007/01/davos--senator.html

Collin

"The global war on terrorism, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, threats from rogue states like Iran and North Korea, and the rise of potential strategic competitors like China and Russia mean that America requires a larger and more capable military to protect our country's vital interests and deter challenges to our security. America confronts a range of serious security challenges: Protecting our homeland in an age of global terrorism and Islamist extremism; working with friends and partners overseas, from Africa to Southeast Asia, to help them combat terrorism and violent insurgencies in their own countries; defending against missile and nuclear attack; maintaining the credibility of our defense commitments to our allies; and waging difficult counterinsurgency campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq."


"John McCain understands national security and the threats facing our nation. He recognizes the dangers posed by the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, violent Islamist extremists and their terrorist tactics, and the ever present threat of regional conflict that can spill into broader wars that endanger allies and destabilize areas of the world vital to American security. He knows that to protect our homeland, our interests, and our values - and to keep the peace - America must have the best manned, best equipped, and best supported military in the world. "

First of all, I see McCain also understand the business of keeping people convinced they're in danger and evoking fear into them. Reading this you'd think the US is at war with half of the world and constantly under attack.

I find it interesting he includes China and Russia as a reason to expand the US military.

Anyway, War is Peace, right?

How much "peace" did the US War Machine bring since 9/11? How much peace will the never ending war on terror bring to the world?

The fear-mongering, which McCain is absolutely guilty of is destroying the growth of the US, it's destroying what the US is supposed to represent.

More war, means less freedom. McCain is a war-monger first class.

theroachman

China can put this country under with out firing a shot. If China decided to sell of US treasuries in a quick fashion. It would send the world markets into a panic.

Or they could start buying the worlds gold supplies opps doing that.

Or they could lower the pegged value of the Yuan thus lower the value of the USD opps looks like they have done that too:

http://www.moneyweek.com/file/3143/investing-in-gold-why-you-should-buy-gold-now.html



Or they could start a huge military build up opps doing that:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=49162