John McCain for President

lazymoon13

Byrnzie wrote:

So now it's a defeatist attitude to criticise the government?

Let's face it, you're talking about 3 shades of the same corporate cock-sucking shite.

please let the americans handle this. second of all, mamma didn't criticize the government. wtf are you jabbering about?

blackredyellow

lazymoon13 wrote:

I absolutely agree those are important issues. I think its obvious, however, that of the 3, mccain will decrease the size of government. the dems want to increase it 10 fold.

when was the last time any president decreased the size of government?

lazymoon13

blackredyellow wrote:

when was the last time any president decreased the size of government?

i'm talking in terms of who would decrease vs increase compared to the remaining 3. obama/hilary both want to increase the size and control of government. that leaves mccain..

BinFrog

lazymoon13 wrote:

LOL partisan much? If Obama was taken out of context about his bitter quote, why has he spent the last 10 days apologizing for it? wake up dude. all politicians say stupid things.

I am not partisan at all, but is there a bit of irony in your response, seeing as how this was obviously started by a conservative poster (you) with an agenda in mind?

I am independent. I see Obama as CLEARLY a better candidate than McCain.

lazymoon13

BinFrog wrote:

I am not partisan at all, but is there a bit of irony in your response, seeing as how this was obviously started by a conservative poster (you) with an agenda in mind?

I support john mccain. but I am also smart enough to admit that he will say stupid things. same as ALL the candidates do and will. ya see?

BinFrog wrote:

I am independent.

sure ya are

BinFrog wrote:

I see Obama as CLEARLY a better candidate than McCain.

why?

mammasan

lazymoon13 wrote:

I absolutely agree those are important issues. I think its obvious, however, that of the 3, mccain will decrease the size of government. the dems want to increase it 10 fold.

McCain will not decrease the size of the federal government. He might nip a tiny bit where it doesn't really matter but I'm talking about a complete and radical reduction. No mainstream candidate from either party would ever do that because it is not beneficial to their party. Let's face it, who ever is elected will do what is necessary to be re-elected in 4 years. Even if it's not in the long term best interest of the country. Their loyality is not to the people but to their party and to the people who donated large sums of money to help them get elected.

lazymoon13

mammasan wrote:

McCain will not decrease the size of the federal government. He might nip a tiny bit where it doesn't really matter but I'm talking about a complete and radical reduction. No mainstream candidate from either party would ever do that because it is not beneficial to their party. Let's face it, who ever is elected will do what is necessary to be re-elected in 4 years. Even if it's not in the long term best interest of the country. Their loyality is not to the people but to their party and to the people who donated large sums of money to help them get elected.

ok so the choices are vote for someone who will keep it the similar in size/slightly less or someone who will dramatically increase it. yes its the lesser or 2 evils thing in play here, but it is was it is. why risk having a dem go in office who will greatly INCREASE size and control of government? I know your answer but I'm just sayin....

BinFrog

lazymoon13 wrote:

sure ya are

You're questioning my statement as to my political leanings? Really?

Go ahead and find something somewhere that says I am a democrat:

Town hall registration? Nope. Pretty sure it says independent.

Voting history? Only occassionally.

My insanely left-leaning democratic party blog that shows my love for all things democrat? Doesn't exist, no nope.

And I just took down the life-sized Bill Clinton diorama in my guest room, so now you have no ammo.

lazymoon13

BinFrog wrote:

You're questioning my statement as to my political leanings? Really?

Go ahead and find something somewhere that says I am a democrat:

Town hall registration? Nope. Pretty sure it says independent.

Voting history? Only occassionally.

My insanely left-leaning democratic party blog that shows my love for all things democrat? Doesn't exist, no nope.

And I just took down the life-sized Bill Clinton diorama in my guest room, so now you have no ammo.

ok Mr. Independent. I humbly apologize. instead of focusing on the part of my reply that meant the least, how bout thake a shot at this...

BinFrog wrote:

I see Obama as CLEARLY a better candidate than McCain.

why?

macgyver06

lazymoon13 wrote:

these Obama (and anti obama abook + kabong) threads are getting tiresome. lets talk about the candidate that is actually going to win. what do you think he brings to the office? what do you like/dislike about his policies?


easy on the 100 years of war. he meant that in regards to how we are still in korea, germany, and japan 60+ years later.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/25/iraq.mccain/index.html

even for those who hate him, I think you better start giving him a closer look. at this rate, there is no way obama can beat mccain.

as much as i love to disagree with you... its true.. McCain is the next president barring any kind of illness...

and if someone can't see how he is going to win i think they are lying to themselves... and i have this to offer

when hillary wins the nomination

Hillary vs. McCain in a debate

if Obama wins the nomination

Obama vs. McCain


he is going to eat them alive with his old white man rhetoric and if people dont understand it... GO BACK 8 years ago!

macgyver06

BinFrog wrote:

Just watch. Thats all I'm saying.

i dont want mccain to win.. but if you dont think he is the favorite... you best turn off your tv.

Byrnzie

lazymoon13 wrote:

please let the americans handle this.

Err, nope. I'll continue saying my piece as long as I see fit.

theroachman

lazymoon13 wrote:

ok so the choices are vote for someone who will keep it the similar in size/slightly less or someone who will dramatically increase it. yes its the lesser or 2 evils thing in play here, but it is was it is. why risk having a dem go in office who will greatly INCREASE size and control of government? I know your answer but I'm just sayin....

Over the last 16 years there have been two Presidents. One has paid down the National Debt (not much but some) and one President created the largest debt in the history of the world.

And you think Senator McCain is the lesser of two evils because as a Republican he will not expand Government debt as much as the others?

Looking at the past 16 years how could anyone come to the conclusion that the Republican Party is more responsible with our tax dollars is mind boggling. It is almost as if the live in a parallel universe or something.

BinFrog

lazymoon13 wrote:

ok Mr. Independent. I humbly apologize. instead of focusing on the part of my reply that meant the least, how bout thake a shot at this...


why?

Well, you called me a liar, and to me that is more important to clear up than trying to tell you why I think Obama i a better candidate.

Obama wants troops out of Iraq quicker than McCain.

Obama is a fresh face and might gain us some respect internationally from radical groups who are used to seeing stodgy old white men in office

Obama actually wants to try and *gasp* help Africa

Obama is actually interested in helping keep jobs in the US and keep the economy strong

Obama's education plan is much stronger and mkes more sense

Say what you wil about it, but his health care ideas are much more robust and easily digestible than McCain's simple "Hey, lets import prescription drugs to lower costs....that's all I got"

Obama supports civil unions. It's a step in the right direction.

Obama is pro-choice.



Shall I go on?

theroachman

Byrnzie wrote:

Err, nope. I'll continue saying my piece as long as I see fit.

Please do. And thank you.

Some Americans think they are the only people in the world that matter. So it is always nice to have other people in the world speak up.

Byrnzie

lazymoon13 wrote:

..but I am also smart enough...

Don't get too carried away Bubba.

lazymoon13

BinFrog wrote:

Well, you called me a liar, and to me that is more important to clear up than trying to tell you why I think Obama i a better candidate.

poor guy. tear

BinFrog wrote:

Obama wants troops out of Iraq quicker than McCain.

Obama is a fresh face and might gain us some respect internationally from radical groups who are used to seeing stodgy old white men in office

I agree, espically with the second part. as for troops in Iraq, I think mccain will begin withdrawals on a similar pace as obama.

BinFrog wrote:

Obama actually wants to try and *gasp* help Africa

mccain doesn't?

BinFrog wrote:

Obama is actually interested in helping keep jobs in the US and keep the economy strong

so does mccain.

BinFrog wrote:

Obama's education plan is much stronger and mkes more sense

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/John_McCain_Education.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Barack_Obama_Education.htm

I have no issues with either plan.

BinFrog wrote:

Say what you wil about it, but his health care ideas are much more robust and easily digestible than McCain's simple "Hey, lets import prescription drugs to lower costs....that's all I got"

I'm not for higer taxes. which is exactly what obama will do to make his health care plan happen. he wants more government control of health care, mccain doesnt.

BinFrog wrote:

Obama supports civil unions. It's a step in the right direction.

I agree.

BinFrog wrote:

Obama is pro-choice.

I've always hated this subject.

BinFrog wrote:

Shall I go on?

by all means, yes.

lazymoon13

Byrnzie wrote:

Don't get too carried away Bubba.

I have a stalker!

lazymoon13

theroachman wrote:

Over the last 16 years there have been two Presidents. One has paid down the National Debt (not much but some) and one President created the largest debt in the history of the world.

And you think Senator McCain is the lesser of two evils because as a Republican he will not expand Government debt as much as the others?

Looking at the past 16 years how could anyone come to the conclusion that the Republican Party is more responsible with our tax dollars is mind boggling. It is almost as if the live in a parallel universe or something.

bush has been anything but responsible with our taxes. take away the 2 wars and spending would have been dramatically different, obviously. and clinton had the largest stock market boom in history (thus record high government revenue) and no wars to spend money on.

the difference is the dems want to raise taxes, republicans want to cut them. I don't think either will spend our money "responsibly"

lazymoon13

Byrnzie wrote:

Err, nope. I'll continue saying my piece as long as I see fit.

then try to add to the discussion instead of trolling.