at times i too wonder why prostitution is illegal. and then i go all marxist and just put it down to the fact that the establishment can't really regulate the means of production, so to speak. cash changing hands. who is gonna account for all that? woman in control of themselves and having the upper hand? we can't have that now, can we? yes yes i know there are male prostitutes.
an establishement could definately be regulated (as they are in amsterdam, etc)... but if youre too ugly to work in an establishement, i guess youd have to freelance and then it wouldnt be regulated...
still if its two consenting adults, no big deal.....
an establishement could definately be regulated (as they are in amsterdam, etc)... but if youre too ugly to work in an establishement, i guess youd have to freelance and then it wouldnt be regulated...
still if its two consenting adults, no big deal.....
i didn't mean an establishment, i meant the establishment, as in the man. can you imagine issuing receipts for tax purposes to the clients? funny shit.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i didn't mean an establishment, i meant the establishment, as in the man. can you imagine issuing receipts for tax purposes to the clients? funny shit.
lol
it could be hidden... like how when you order "stuff" in the mail, it doesnt come with the name of the company plastered all over it.
im sure the places would want to be discreet for their customers
"Psychiatry is now facing the latest of several crises in its relatively brief history. The present one is related to its recent fascination with modern neuroscience findings. This might be a positive development except that it is unfortunately often accompanied by a near exclusion of the psychosocial components of mental disorders. This trend therefore has significant potential for harm to patient welfare. It poses a challenge to psychoanalysis and the entire field of psychodynamic psychotherapy." http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=jaa.017.0543a
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"It seems, as if countries that have adopted the modern drug-based paradigm of psychiatric care have, in the past 50 years, experienced a great surge in the number of people disabled by mental disorders. Accordingly, it would appear that we desperately need to reflect on alternatives to this failed paradigm of care. ...
In contrast, the recovery agenda, as Pat Bracken puts it in a paper in this book, presents a radical challenge, since it reorients our thinking about mental health completely. It foregrounds issues that have to do with power and relationships, contexts and meanings, values and priorities, which now become primary. Although such an agenda does not reject or deny the reigning role of therapy, services, research and, in some instances, even drugs, it does work to render them all secondary. Indeed, its most radical implication is the fact that when it comes to issues having to do with values, meanings and relationships, it is the (ex-) users or survivors themselves, who are the most knowledgeable and informed. In other words, when it comes to the recovery agenda, they are the real experts. " http://www.soteria.freeuk.com/LehmannBook.htm
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"Hannelore Klafki's paper on how voices accompanied her throughout her life and how she managed to cope with them to lead a normal life was quite moving. Following up, Romme and Escher describe INTERVOICE, the international network, the basic assumption of which is that accepting and making sense of voices is a much more helpful alternative for recovering from the distress associated with voice hearing.
Hearing voices in itself, they point out, is not a sign of mental illness, but it is quite possible to become ill and a psychiatric patient, when one cannot cope with them and the problems laying at their roots. Persons who hear voices and have become ill tend to show a different relationship with their voices than do persons who hear voices and do not become psychiatric patients. Accepting the voices means realizing that the experience of voice hearing is real, and making sense of them suggests that the voices are not something crazy, but have a purpose in helping to learn to cope with life's problems. " http://www.soteria.freeuk.com/LehmannBook.htm
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"INTERVOICE is supported by people who hear voices, relative and friends and mental health professionals including nurses, psychiatrists and psychologists. INTERVOICE members assert that the most important factor in the success of their approach is the importance placed on the personal engagement of the people involved, meaning that all participants are considered an expert of their own experience. They see each other first as people, secondly as equal partners and thirdly as all having different but mutually valuable expertise to offer. This can either be through direct experience of hearing voices or having worked with voice hearers (and/or wanting to).
INTERVOICE is critical of psychiatry in relation to the way the profession generally understands and treats people who hear voices and holds that their research has led them to the position that schizophrenia is an unscientific and unhelpful hypothesis which should be abandoned, (Romme, 2006).
The Hearing Voices movement regard itelf as being a post-psychiatric, (Bracken, 2005 and Stastny/Peter Lehmann, 2007) organisation, positioning itself outside of the mental health world in recognition that voices, in their view, are an aspect of human differentness, rather than a mental health problem and that, as with homosexuality (also regarded by psychiatry in recent times as an illness), one of the main issues is about human rights. Therefore by changing the way society perceives the experience, they believe, psychiatry, as it did with homosexuality, will follow.
The Hearing Voices movement is also seeking more holistic health solutions to problematic and overwhelming voices that cause mental distress then what it regards as the generally reductionist, disease based model offered by mainstream psychiatry. Based on their research they hold the opinion that many people successfully live with their voices and that in themselves voices are not the problem. For this reason they are prepared to accept a range of explanations offered by people who hear voices including spiritual ones and assert that recovery (see recovery model) from overwhelming voices can be achieved by seeking to understand the meaning of the voices to the voice hearer." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_Voices_Movement
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"The existence of so-called 'brain abnormalities' in some cases does not prove that schizophrenia is a brain disease. It simply verifies what one would expect from a wholistic medical perspective - that there may be a physical component in schizophrenia. Dr Al Siebert writes: "The large majority of people diagnosed as having schizophrenia show no neuropathological or biochemical abnormalities and a few people without any symptoms of schizophrenia have the same biophysiological abnormalities as do a few people with 'schizophrenia'." [Journal of Humanistic Psychology Vol. 40, No. 1, 2000, pp. 34-58.] The possibility of nutritional and biologic factors also needs to be explored, with the therapist's aid of a naturopath, homeopath, and/or wholistic GP (who will therefore not automatically assume that the schizophrenic symptoms arise from brain malfunction). Metabolic/enzymatic malfunction, as well as cerebral allergy to almost anything, including oral contraception, alcohol and drugs, may cause serious mental disturbance.
Do 'antipsychotic medications' cure Schizophrenia?
No, they simply band-aid symptoms, dull the mind, slow body metabolism (sometimes), and usually have harmful, toxic, or otherwise undesirable side-effects. They can also cause serious mental disturbance, if used improperly. Suggested reading: Peter Breggin, Toxic Psychiatry, HarperCollins, 1993. Lucy Johnstone, Users & Abusers of Psychiatry, Routledge, 1989. Stephen Rice, Some Doctors Make You Sick, Angus & Robertson, 1988. Jackson & Southill, Is the Medicine Making You Ill? Angus & Robertson, 1989. Inlander, Levin & Weiner, Medicine On Trial, NY: Prentice-Hall, 1988.
Why do sufferers of Schizophrenia refuse medication?
To start with, many diagnosed schizophrenia sufferers deny that their condition is primarily an illness. They are usually shrewd, creative, sometimes brilliant and sensitive folk, as are many artists, mystics and visionaries. From their angle, the sterile textbook mentality of drug-based psychiatry is soulless, arrogant, meaningless and patronizing. In some cultures, as Joseph Campbell notes, sufferers of schizophrenia are highly regarded, even revered as potential shamans, healers, poets and prophets. " http://www.jungcircle.com/SQuest.html
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"These observations recall the research of Carl Rogers into the nature of the helping relationships. He stated that "the safety of being liked and prized as a person seems a highly important element in a helping relationship." (On Becoming a Person, 1961). Martin Buber also describes the importance of having someone believe in you. He calls this characteristic "confirming the other...Confirming means accepting the whole potentiality of the other. I can recognize in him the person he has been created to become." Rogers goes on to state that "if I accept the other person as something fixed, already diagnosed and classified...then I am doing my part to confirm this limited hypothesis. If I accept him as a process of becoming, then I am doing what I can to confirm or make real his potential.
These descriptions, however, were mostly for people with moderate emotional problems. When someone is labeled with mental illness, it is as if all that has been learned to be helpful in therapy is thrown out. Medical students are taught to medicate not to converse with mental patients. They are told that people labeled with mental illness have a brain disease and you cannot talk to a disease. Our lived experiences speak otherwise. Our lives show that people labeled with mental illness need a therapist and other people who believe in them". http://www.namiscc.org/newsletters/November/Fisher.htm
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"Although it is encouraging that Western medicine is beginning to acknowledge the central role of a positive belief in recovery in the area of physical illness, it is disturbing that psychiatry does not see the wisdom of such an attitude for mental illness. Even though the weight of personal testimony and epidemiological studies argues that most people are able to regain a productive role in society and recover from mental illness, the mental health field in particular persists in a belief that mental illness is a permanent condition. ... As I point out in another article in this newsletter, by complete recovery we mean that the person has regained a meaningful role in society, can cope with life's stresses, and is not considered sick by others around them". http://www.power2u.org/articles/recovery/believing.html
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute researchers have identified 10 key factors to recovery from schizophrenia. The findings open opportunities to develop new treatment and rehabilitation programs and to reshape the negative expectations of many doctors, patients and their families.
Based on analyses of the professional literature and the cases of 23 schizophrenia patients who successfully returned to work or school with their symptoms under control, the findings appear in the November 2002 edition of the International Review of Psychiatry.
Factors detailed in the study that influenced recovery included 1) family relationships, 2) substance abuse, 3) duration of untreated psychosis, 4) initial response to medication, 5) adherence to treatment, 6) supportive therapeutic relationships, 7) cognitive abilities, 8) social skills, 9) personal history and 10) access to care.
"Our findings join a growing body of research that flies in the face of the long-held notion that individuals diagnosed with schizophrenia are doomed to a life of disability with little expectation for productive involvement in society, a fatalistic view that in itself is damaging to prospects for recovery," said lead author Dr. Robert P. Liberman, a research scientist at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute and professor of psychiatry at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA.
"By understanding the dynamics of recovery, we can design more effective courses of treatment and combat the pessimism held by many doctors, patients and families struggling to cope with this debilitating disease," said Liberman, director of the UCLA Psychiatric Rehabilitation Program and Center for Research on Treatment and Rehabilitation of Psychosis. "Increasing the rate of recovery from schizophrenia will help destigmatize this disease, reduce the emotional burden on families, and lighten the financial weight on communities, states and the nation."
Liberman and his collaborator, Dr. Alex Kopelowicz, medical director of the San Fernando Mental Health Center and associate professor of psychiatry at UCLA, edited the November 2002 edition of the International Review of Psychiatry. Their articles are joined by those from an international array of investigators on the process of recovery, prospects for improving schizophrenia treatment and suggestions for future research.
Factors identified as keys to recovery from schizophrenia included:
1. Family relationships: Family stress is a powerful predictor of relapse, while family education and emotional support decrease the rate of relapse. Among study participants, 70 percent reported good or very good family relationships.
2. Substance abuse: National Institute of Mental Health research estimates the prevalence of lifetime substance abuse among schizophrenia patients at 47 percent, well above the overall rate. Though three-quarters of the study participants reported substance abuse prior to treatment, just 17.4 percent reported abuse after the onset of schizophrenia. None reported illicit drug use in the past year, and just two reported occasional alcohol consumption.
3. Duration of untreated psychosis: Longer duration of symptoms prior to treatment correlates directly with greater time to remission and a lesser degree of remission. Among study participants, only 13 percent reported a delay of more than a year between the onset of symptoms and treatment.
4. Initial response to medication: Improvement of symptoms within days of receiving antipsychotic drugs significantly predicts long-term results of treatment. Among the study group, 87 percent reported effective control of symptoms with their first antipsychotic medication.
5. Adherence to treatment: Failure to take antipsychotic medication as prescribed hampers both short-term and long-term recovery. All study participants reported adherence to psychiatric care and medication regimens.
6. Supportive therapy: Positive relationships with psychiatrists, therapists and/or treatment teams engender hope and are essential to improvement. Among study participants, 91 percent reported ongoing psychotherapy, and 78 percent reported that accessible and supportive psychiatrists and therapists contributed to their recovery.
7. Cognitive abilities: Neurocognitive factors such as working memory, sustained attention and efficient visual perception are strong predictors of recovery. Among study participants, all showed normal or near normal functioning on tests of flexibility in solving problems, verbal working memory and perceptual skills.
8. Social skills Negative symptoms, or poor interpersonal skills relative to social expectations, correlate with the degree of disability caused by schizophrenia. No study participants showed more than very mild negative symptoms.
9. Personal history: Premorbid factors, or those in place prior to the onset of the disease, that affect treatment outcome include education and IQ, age of onset, rapidity of onset, work history, and social skills. Among study participants, level of education was used as a measure of premorbid history. A total of 70 percent graduated from college before becoming ill, and an additional 13 percent completed two years of college. Three of the remaining four subjects worked full time before their illness began.
10. Access to care: Continuous, comprehensive, consumer-oriented and coordinated treatment is crucial to recovery. Among study participants, 91 percent reported receiving antipsychotic medication and psychotherapy, 47.8 percent social skills training, 56.5 percent family participation, 26 percent vocational rehabilitation, and 61 percent benefits from self-help groups. " http://www.namiscc.org/News/2002/newsletters/SchizophreniaDec-11-2002.htm#Keys
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"We who have recovered from mental illness know from our personal experience that recovery is real. We know that recovery is more than remission with a brooding disease hidden in our hearts. We have experienced healing and we are whole where we were broken. Yet we are frequently confronted by unconvinced professionals who ask, "How can you have recovered from such a hopeless situation?" When we present them with our testimonies they say that we are exceptions. They call us pseudoconsumers. They say that our experience does not relate to that of their seriously, biologically ill, inpatients.
I recently re-experienced this negative attitude about recovery. A friend of mine, during a discussion in a psychology class, said she knew someone who had schizophrenia, recovered and became a psychiatrist. "He must have been misdiagnosed," was the professor's response. So my friend reviewed my earlier symptoms with me. I met the DSM IV criteria for schizophrenia in the interval from 1969-74. When she presented my history to her professor, he reversed his position and said that the diagnosis of schizophrenia must have been correct. He doubted I had recovered and said, "we now have a case of an impaired physician." By having earned board certification in psychiatry, having worked as medical director of a community mental health center for 11 years and having directed the National Empowerment Center for 3, years I have proven that I am not an impaired physician. This episode reveals the depth of negative expectations which are taught to students. After all, mental illness is considered a terminal condition for which there is no cure. Therefore anyone who appears to have recovered must not have been sick. This leaves no one with first hand experience of what helps and what hurts to speak for those who currently cannot speak due to their distress.
This example illustrates the dilemma many of us face who have recovered from mental illness. It would be easier in the short-run to forget and not tell others of our experiences. But for many of us the benefits of telling outweigh the risks. For in the telling we open wider options for peer support, we continue our healing and we help reduce the stigma of others. Yet to have our story discounted after we risked our social position, jobs, and insurance by giving testimony is an affront to our integrity. ...
Here is another article which discusses the MYTH of "no recovery" for those who have mental health issues. It talks of fear being a factor in perpetuating such devastating myths. This is theoretically because people like to think of mental health issues as belonging to others who have a mysterious brain disease, rather than recognizing we're all on the even playing field and potentially susceptible:
Everyone hears voices, their inner voice, some call it their conscience, some call it an inner-voice. This is in contrast to my friend's daughter who hears a male voice telling her to commit crimes and violence.
Some people have heightened temporal lobe activity, particularly people on the temporal lobe epilepsy continua.
Stephen Hawking has ALS/Lou Gerig's Disease and is one of the greatest cosmologists ever!
If I can compile a list of famous people with ALS, will that make ALS desirable or normal?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Everyone hears voices, their inner voice, some call it their conscience, some call it an inner-voice. This is in contrast to my friend's daughter who hears a male voice telling her to commit crimes and violence.
Some people have heightened temporal lobe activity, particularly people on the temporal lobe epilepsy continua.
Stephen Hawking has ALS/Lou Gerig's Disease and is one of the greatest cosmologists ever!
If I can compile a list of famous people with ALS, will that make ALS desirable or normal?
Have you read Plato's "Allegory of the Cave", Ahnimus?
It's interesting how those who hear voices and who come to learn to heed their inner response to life in productive ways find it possible to make their way to a holistic, healthy view, and outletting their potential. The outcome of full recovery versus an outcome of seeming ongoing mental illness seems to have to do with the approach.
That's quite different than suffering debilitating and severe dis-ease like Hawking has.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Have you read Plato's "Allegory of the Cave", Ahnimus?
It's interesting how those who hear voices and who come to learn to heed their inner response to life in productive ways find it possible to make their way to a holistic, healthy view, and outletting their potential. The outcome of full recovery versus an outcome of seeming ongoing mental illness seems to have to do with the approach.
That's quite different than suffering debilitating and severe dis-ease like Hawking has.
How is it different? ALS is a brain abnormality and so is OCD or Schizophrenia.
Plato was a quack if you ask me. I think him and Aristotle were smart for their time, but totally off their rocker by today's knowledge. If those guys were alive today, they wouldn't be saying the same things.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
How is it different? ALS is a brain abnormality and so is OCD or Schizophrenia.
Plato was a quack if you ask me. I think him and Aristotle were smart for their time, but totally off their rocker by today's knowledge. If those guys were alive today, they wouldn't be saying the same things.
Herein lies the problem: You call something an "abnormality" because you choose to see it that way. The highly functional people in question above, who heard voices, did not have "illness" symptoms.
Apparently, ALS "is the most common cause of neurological death on an annual basis" in Canada. http://www.als.ca/manual-whatisals.shtml
Schizophrenia and OCD are verrrryy different than that--they are still arbitrary labels meted out by doctors, without understanding of the organic base.
In terms of Hawking you are refering to obvious debilitation. In terms of Ghandi, where is the debilitation? In terms of Jung, where is the debilitation? These men were highly functional by anyone's standards, and accomplished a lot. They both claimed to have spirit guides who directed them to high achievement. They did not have a backlash of negative symptoms like Hawking obviously does. Much less ones that can cause physical death on their own.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Herein lies the problem: You call something an "abnormality" because you choose to see it that way. The highly functional people in question above, who heard voices, did not have "illness" symptoms.
Apparently, ALS "is the most common cause of neurological death on an annual basis" in Canada. http://www.als.ca/manual-whatisals.shtml
Schizophrenia and OCD are verrrryy different than that--they are still arbitrary labels meted out by doctors, without understanding of the organic base.
In terms of Hawking you are refering to obvious debilitation. In terms of Ghandi, where is the debilitation? In terms of Jung, where is the debilitation? These men were highly functional by anyone's standards, and accomplished a lot. They both claimed to have spirit guides who directed them to high achievement. They did not have a backlash of negative symptoms like Hawking obviously does. Much less ones that can cause physical death on their own.
Well herein lies your problem. Psychiatry is on a continua. OCD can range from thought perseveration as you've somewhat shown in this thread, which I would consider to be a benign symptom, to perseveration in handwashing, the prototypical case of a man (like my uncle) who washes his hands so much that he burns a whole through a towel every week, it also took it's toll on his hands. There are different ends of the OCD spectrum. Same with schizophrenia, I've personally known paranoid schizophrenics who could not function normally in society without pharmocology intervention. On the other end of the spectrum, there is a woman who speaks of schizophrenia on youtube, she is schizophrenic, but she manages her symptoms w/ treatment, and she doesn't seem as bad off as some of the people I personally knew.
The only problem psychiatry has is some practicioners stretch the line, giving treatments to those who may or may not need them, and who are on the shallow end of the spectrum. This is a problem being addressed currently in psychiatry.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"Dr Al Siebert writes: "The large majority of people diagnosed as having schizophrenia show no neuropathological or biochemical abnormalities and a few people without any symptoms of schizophrenia have the same biophysiological abnormalities as do a few people with 'schizophrenia'." [Journal of Humanistic Psychology Vol. 40, No. 1, 2000, pp. 34-58.] "
What kind of scientific diagnosis is schizophrenia, based on the brain, when it's remains completely arbitrary--some people have the signs, and the majority with "schizophrenic" behavioural symptoms don't; some who have no symptoms also show the "brain abnormalities".....?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Psychiatry is on a continua. OCD can range from thought perseveration as you've somewhat shown in this thread,
Here we go again....a complete misreading/misunderstanding of was "perseveration" is. The psycho-social power plays, whether you are doing so consciously, or unconsciously, is about you.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"Dr Al Siebert writes: "The large majority of people diagnosed as having schizophrenia show no neuropathological or biochemical abnormalities and a few people without any symptoms of schizophrenia have the same biophysiological abnormalities as do a few people with 'schizophrenia'." [Journal of Humanistic Psychology Vol. 40, No. 1, 2000, pp. 34-58.] "
What kind of scientific diagnosis is schizophrenia, based on the brain, when it's remains completely arbitrary--some people have the signs, and the majority with "schizophrenic" behavioural symptoms don't; some who have no symptoms also show the "brain abnormalities".....?
Sorry, that's out of our league. Neither of us is sophisticated enough to debate that. Leave it to the psychiatrists. Or wait, you think there is a huge conspiracy of psychiatrists who are secretly manipulating society. *playing scarey music*
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Here we go again....a complete misreading/misunderstanding of was "perseveration" is. The psycho-social power plays, whether you are doing so consciously, or unconsciously, is about you.
You didn't.
In clinical psychology, the uncontrollable repetition of a previously appropriate or correct response, even though the repeated response has since become inappropriate or incorrect.
It's oddly similar to the word persevere.
If you look up "perseveration" on wikipedia, it says "Also see; Obsessive Compulsive Disorder". The first time I heard the word "perseveration" was on a brain-mind.com lecture on OCD. What does it say in your Psychobabble lexicon?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
In clinical psychology, the uncontrollable repetition of a previously appropriate or correct response, even though the repeated response has since become inappropriate or incorrect.
It's oddly similar to the word persevere.
If you look up "perseveration" on wikipedia, it says "Also see; Obsessive Compulsive Disorder". The first time I heard the word "perseveration" was on a brain-mind.com lecture on OCD. What does it say in your Psychobabble lexicon?
Go ahead, continue to pathologize human behaviour. It's on you. If it makes you feel better.....
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'm not surprised, Ahnimus, that when you cannot address a point, that you revert to emotional arguments, much less of the psycho-social nature.
Again, when you have something to say on the points, I'm here to discuss them.
Ok, why does Prozac work? How does it work?
We aren't sure what OCDs neurobiological cause/effect is, but we know that administering Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors like Fluoxetine/Prozac decreases the symptoms of OCD to managable levels. SSRIs don't actually cause more seratonin (HT-5) production, so how do they work? And if HT-5 isn't related to OCD, then why does fluoxetine affect the symptoms of OCD? Furthermore, what is the psychological cause, remedy and correlation with neurophysiological events?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Go ahead, continue to pathologize human behaviour. It's on you. If it makes you feel better.....
I do, I pathologize my own behavior and I feel fine, I'm at least as happy as you are. If I find out I have TMJ joint problems, then I'll be even happier, because I love truth, it sets me free from the abyss of ignorance and allows for treatment.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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an establishement could definately be regulated (as they are in amsterdam, etc)... but if youre too ugly to work in an establishement, i guess youd have to freelance and then it wouldnt be regulated...
still if its two consenting adults, no big deal.....
i didn't mean an establishment, i meant the establishment, as in the man. can you imagine issuing receipts for tax purposes to the clients? funny shit.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
lol
it could be hidden... like how when you order "stuff" in the mail, it doesnt come with the name of the company plastered all over it.
im sure the places would want to be discreet for their customers
I have never understood that speakage.
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In contrast, the recovery agenda, as Pat Bracken puts it in a paper in this book, presents a radical challenge, since it reorients our thinking about mental health completely. It foregrounds issues that have to do with power and relationships, contexts and meanings, values and priorities, which now become primary. Although such an agenda does not reject or deny the reigning role of therapy, services, research and, in some instances, even drugs, it does work to render them all secondary. Indeed, its most radical implication is the fact that when it comes to issues having to do with values, meanings and relationships, it is the (ex-) users or survivors themselves, who are the most knowledgeable and informed. In other words, when it comes to the recovery agenda, they are the real experts. "
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Hearing voices in itself, they point out, is not a sign of mental illness, but it is quite possible to become ill and a psychiatric patient, when one cannot cope with them and the problems laying at their roots. Persons who hear voices and have become ill tend to show a different relationship with their voices than do persons who hear voices and do not become psychiatric patients. Accepting the voices means realizing that the experience of voice hearing is real, and making sense of them suggests that the voices are not something crazy, but have a purpose in helping to learn to cope with life's problems. "
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Joan of Arc (martyr)
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INTERVOICE is critical of psychiatry in relation to the way the profession generally understands and treats people who hear voices and holds that their research has led them to the position that schizophrenia is an unscientific and unhelpful hypothesis which should be abandoned, (Romme, 2006).
The Hearing Voices movement regard itelf as being a post-psychiatric, (Bracken, 2005 and Stastny/Peter Lehmann, 2007) organisation, positioning itself outside of the mental health world in recognition that voices, in their view, are an aspect of human differentness, rather than a mental health problem and that, as with homosexuality (also regarded by psychiatry in recent times as an illness), one of the main issues is about human rights. Therefore by changing the way society perceives the experience, they believe, psychiatry, as it did with homosexuality, will follow.
The Hearing Voices movement is also seeking more holistic health solutions to problematic and overwhelming voices that cause mental distress then what it regards as the generally reductionist, disease based model offered by mainstream psychiatry. Based on their research they hold the opinion that many people successfully live with their voices and that in themselves voices are not the problem. For this reason they are prepared to accept a range of explanations offered by people who hear voices including spiritual ones and assert that recovery (see recovery model) from overwhelming voices can be achieved by seeking to understand the meaning of the voices to the voice hearer."
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Do 'antipsychotic medications' cure Schizophrenia?
No, they simply band-aid symptoms, dull the mind, slow body metabolism (sometimes), and usually have harmful, toxic, or otherwise undesirable side-effects. They can also cause serious mental disturbance, if used improperly. Suggested reading: Peter Breggin, Toxic Psychiatry, HarperCollins, 1993. Lucy Johnstone, Users & Abusers of Psychiatry, Routledge, 1989. Stephen Rice, Some Doctors Make You Sick, Angus & Robertson, 1988. Jackson & Southill, Is the Medicine Making You Ill? Angus & Robertson, 1989. Inlander, Levin & Weiner, Medicine On Trial, NY: Prentice-Hall, 1988.
Why do sufferers of Schizophrenia refuse medication?
To start with, many diagnosed schizophrenia sufferers deny that their condition is primarily an illness. They are usually shrewd, creative, sometimes brilliant and sensitive folk, as are many artists, mystics and visionaries. From their angle, the sterile textbook mentality of drug-based psychiatry is soulless, arrogant, meaningless and patronizing. In some cultures, as Joseph Campbell notes, sufferers of schizophrenia are highly regarded, even revered as potential shamans, healers, poets and prophets. "
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These descriptions, however, were mostly for people with moderate emotional problems. When someone is labeled with mental illness, it is as if all that has been learned to be helpful in therapy is thrown out. Medical students are taught to medicate not to converse with mental patients. They are told that people labeled with mental illness have a brain disease and you cannot talk to a disease. Our lived experiences speak otherwise. Our lives show that people labeled with mental illness need a therapist and other people who believe in them".
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UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute researchers have identified 10 key factors to recovery from schizophrenia. The findings open opportunities to develop new treatment and rehabilitation programs and to reshape the negative expectations of many doctors, patients and their families.
Based on analyses of the professional literature and the cases of 23 schizophrenia patients who successfully returned to work or school with their symptoms under control, the findings appear in the November 2002 edition of the International Review of Psychiatry.
Factors detailed in the study that influenced recovery included 1) family relationships, 2) substance abuse, 3) duration of untreated psychosis, 4) initial response to medication, 5) adherence to treatment, 6) supportive therapeutic relationships, 7) cognitive abilities, 8) social skills, 9) personal history and 10) access to care.
"Our findings join a growing body of research that flies in the face of the long-held notion that individuals diagnosed with schizophrenia are doomed to a life of disability with little expectation for productive involvement in society, a fatalistic view that in itself is damaging to prospects for recovery," said lead author Dr. Robert P. Liberman, a research scientist at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute and professor of psychiatry at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA.
"By understanding the dynamics of recovery, we can design more effective courses of treatment and combat the pessimism held by many doctors, patients and families struggling to cope with this debilitating disease," said Liberman, director of the UCLA Psychiatric Rehabilitation Program and Center for Research on Treatment and Rehabilitation of Psychosis. "Increasing the rate of recovery from schizophrenia will help destigmatize this disease, reduce the emotional burden on families, and lighten the financial weight on communities, states and the nation."
Liberman and his collaborator, Dr. Alex Kopelowicz, medical director of the San Fernando Mental Health Center and associate professor of psychiatry at UCLA, edited the November 2002 edition of the International Review of Psychiatry. Their articles are joined by those from an international array of investigators on the process of recovery, prospects for improving schizophrenia treatment and suggestions for future research.
Factors identified as keys to recovery from schizophrenia included:
1. Family relationships: Family stress is a powerful predictor of relapse, while family education and emotional support decrease the rate of relapse. Among study participants, 70 percent reported good or very good family relationships.
2. Substance abuse: National Institute of Mental Health research estimates the prevalence of lifetime substance abuse among schizophrenia patients at 47 percent, well above the overall rate. Though three-quarters of the study participants reported substance abuse prior to treatment, just 17.4 percent reported abuse after the onset of schizophrenia. None reported illicit drug use in the past year, and just two reported occasional alcohol consumption.
3. Duration of untreated psychosis: Longer duration of symptoms prior to treatment correlates directly with greater time to remission and a lesser degree of remission. Among study participants, only 13 percent reported a delay of more than a year between the onset of symptoms and treatment.
4. Initial response to medication: Improvement of symptoms within days of receiving antipsychotic drugs significantly predicts long-term results of treatment. Among the study group, 87 percent reported effective control of symptoms with their first antipsychotic medication.
5. Adherence to treatment: Failure to take antipsychotic medication as prescribed hampers both short-term and long-term recovery. All study participants reported adherence to psychiatric care and medication regimens.
6. Supportive therapy: Positive relationships with psychiatrists, therapists and/or treatment teams engender hope and are essential to improvement. Among study participants, 91 percent reported ongoing psychotherapy, and 78 percent reported that accessible and supportive psychiatrists and therapists contributed to their recovery.
7. Cognitive abilities: Neurocognitive factors such as working memory, sustained attention and efficient visual perception are strong predictors of recovery. Among study participants, all showed normal or near normal functioning on tests of flexibility in solving problems, verbal working memory and perceptual skills.
8. Social skills Negative symptoms, or poor interpersonal skills relative to social expectations, correlate with the degree of disability caused by schizophrenia. No study participants showed more than very mild negative symptoms.
9. Personal history: Premorbid factors, or those in place prior to the onset of the disease, that affect treatment outcome include education and IQ, age of onset, rapidity of onset, work history, and social skills. Among study participants, level of education was used as a measure of premorbid history. A total of 70 percent graduated from college before becoming ill, and an additional 13 percent completed two years of college. Three of the remaining four subjects worked full time before their illness began.
10. Access to care: Continuous, comprehensive, consumer-oriented and coordinated treatment is crucial to recovery. Among study participants, 91 percent reported receiving antipsychotic medication and psychotherapy, 47.8 percent social skills training, 56.5 percent family participation, 26 percent vocational rehabilitation, and 61 percent benefits from self-help groups. "
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I recently re-experienced this negative attitude about recovery. A friend of mine, during a discussion in a psychology class, said she knew someone who had schizophrenia, recovered and became a psychiatrist. "He must have been misdiagnosed," was the professor's response. So my friend reviewed my earlier symptoms with me. I met the DSM IV criteria for schizophrenia in the interval from 1969-74. When she presented my history to her professor, he reversed his position and said that the diagnosis of schizophrenia must have been correct. He doubted I had recovered and said, "we now have a case of an impaired physician." By having earned board certification in psychiatry, having worked as medical director of a community mental health center for 11 years and having directed the National Empowerment Center for 3, years I have proven that I am not an impaired physician. This episode reveals the depth of negative expectations which are taught to students. After all, mental illness is considered a terminal condition for which there is no cure. Therefore anyone who appears to have recovered must not have been sick. This leaves no one with first hand experience of what helps and what hurts to speak for those who currently cannot speak due to their distress.
This example illustrates the dilemma many of us face who have recovered from mental illness. It would be easier in the short-run to forget and not tell others of our experiences. But for many of us the benefits of telling outweigh the risks. For in the telling we open wider options for peer support, we continue our healing and we help reduce the stigma of others. Yet to have our story discounted after we risked our social position, jobs, and insurance by giving testimony is an affront to our integrity. ...
By telling our stories we help reduce the terrible load of pessimism and stigma. Each time we do so we give renewed hope to others looking for ."
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I have no problem with most of these people being crazy. I think religion is for crazy people.
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Some people have heightened temporal lobe activity, particularly people on the temporal lobe epilepsy continua.
Stephen Hawking has ALS/Lou Gerig's Disease and is one of the greatest cosmologists ever!
If I can compile a list of famous people with ALS, will that make ALS desirable or normal?
It's interesting how those who hear voices and who come to learn to heed their inner response to life in productive ways find it possible to make their way to a holistic, healthy view, and outletting their potential. The outcome of full recovery versus an outcome of seeming ongoing mental illness seems to have to do with the approach.
That's quite different than suffering debilitating and severe dis-ease like Hawking has.
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How is it different? ALS is a brain abnormality and so is OCD or Schizophrenia.
Plato was a quack if you ask me. I think him and Aristotle were smart for their time, but totally off their rocker by today's knowledge. If those guys were alive today, they wouldn't be saying the same things.
Apparently, ALS "is the most common cause of neurological death on an annual basis" in Canada. http://www.als.ca/manual-whatisals.shtml
Schizophrenia and OCD are verrrryy different than that--they are still arbitrary labels meted out by doctors, without understanding of the organic base.
In terms of Hawking you are refering to obvious debilitation. In terms of Ghandi, where is the debilitation? In terms of Jung, where is the debilitation? These men were highly functional by anyone's standards, and accomplished a lot. They both claimed to have spirit guides who directed them to high achievement. They did not have a backlash of negative symptoms like Hawking obviously does. Much less ones that can cause physical death on their own.
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Well herein lies your problem. Psychiatry is on a continua. OCD can range from thought perseveration as you've somewhat shown in this thread, which I would consider to be a benign symptom, to perseveration in handwashing, the prototypical case of a man (like my uncle) who washes his hands so much that he burns a whole through a towel every week, it also took it's toll on his hands. There are different ends of the OCD spectrum. Same with schizophrenia, I've personally known paranoid schizophrenics who could not function normally in society without pharmocology intervention. On the other end of the spectrum, there is a woman who speaks of schizophrenia on youtube, she is schizophrenic, but she manages her symptoms w/ treatment, and she doesn't seem as bad off as some of the people I personally knew.
The only problem psychiatry has is some practicioners stretch the line, giving treatments to those who may or may not need them, and who are on the shallow end of the spectrum. This is a problem being addressed currently in psychiatry.
"Dr Al Siebert writes: "The large majority of people diagnosed as having schizophrenia show no neuropathological or biochemical abnormalities and a few people without any symptoms of schizophrenia have the same biophysiological abnormalities as do a few people with 'schizophrenia'." [Journal of Humanistic Psychology Vol. 40, No. 1, 2000, pp. 34-58.] "
What kind of scientific diagnosis is schizophrenia, based on the brain, when it's remains completely arbitrary--some people have the signs, and the majority with "schizophrenic" behavioural symptoms don't; some who have no symptoms also show the "brain abnormalities".....?
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Sorry, that's out of our league. Neither of us is sophisticated enough to debate that. Leave it to the psychiatrists. Or wait, you think there is a huge conspiracy of psychiatrists who are secretly manipulating society. *playing scarey music*
Again, when you have something to say on the points, I'm here to discuss them.
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You didn't.
In clinical psychology, the uncontrollable repetition of a previously appropriate or correct response, even though the repeated response has since become inappropriate or incorrect.
It's oddly similar to the word persevere.
If you look up "perseveration" on wikipedia, it says "Also see; Obsessive Compulsive Disorder". The first time I heard the word "perseveration" was on a brain-mind.com lecture on OCD. What does it say in your Psychobabble lexicon?
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Ok, why does Prozac work? How does it work?
We aren't sure what OCDs neurobiological cause/effect is, but we know that administering Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors like Fluoxetine/Prozac decreases the symptoms of OCD to managable levels. SSRIs don't actually cause more seratonin (HT-5) production, so how do they work? And if HT-5 isn't related to OCD, then why does fluoxetine affect the symptoms of OCD? Furthermore, what is the psychological cause, remedy and correlation with neurophysiological events?
I do, I pathologize my own behavior and I feel fine, I'm at least as happy as you are. If I find out I have TMJ joint problems, then I'll be even happier, because I love truth, it sets me free from the abyss of ignorance and allows for treatment.