Tom Cruise has gone insane...

jlew24asu

angelica wrote:

You obviously think it is okay to degrade someone whose views you disagree with. That creates mental health issues, as opposed to being tolerant and accepting of people and their beliefs. Good mental health is all our business.

tom cruise certainly is a smart guy. he is one of the most successful actors of all time. (arguably )

how can one reason with someone who believes aliens are going to invade the planet. should I feel sorry for him?

genie

jlew24asu wrote:

exactly. so when was the last Xenu spotting? last christmas I think?

well, i think Xenu starred in his/her own christmas movie, it was called "The Grinch"

ledvedderman

jlew24asu wrote:

Tom Cruise has gone insane...

In other news, the grass is green.

Sorry Jeff, it was there for the taking.

Cosmo

jlew24asu wrote:

tom cruise certainly is a smart guy. he is one of the most successful actors of all time. (arguably )

how can one reason with someone who believes aliens are going to invade the planet. should I feel sorry for him?

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No... don't feel sorry for him... It's his religion. It's like saying someone who thinks they will magically disappear before Armagedon begins is crazy and you should feel sorry for him. Yeah... his religion sounds kooky... but, don't all religions sound kooky?

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

I hardly think the things you "rail" against deserve verbal aggression....

Emotions are not logical.

yes, but i've never claimed to be reasonable or enlightened

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

Where did I say psychiatric issues should not be medicated? Just this morning, I supported a friend who has recently chosen to go on anti-depressants, and for her teenage son, as well. Optimally, I hope we can change our social dynamics so that we and our children no longer need medications to feel "okay". And I do what it takes to move in a direction where we solve the underlying dynamics and prevent "illness", for the most part. (besides my own frustration and anger that causes me to act out, too) I DEFINITELY support a social world where we can appreciate each others differences, and where individuals can grow and flourish, rather than have to contract and not feel well. If I could not manage my own issues tomorrow and felt suicidal, I would go directly on medication.

I don't agree with Tom Cruise's view on Brooke Shield's medical state during her ppd. I personally developed OCD out of ppd. Underlyingly, I believe Tom Cruise had some valid points about psychology/psychiatry but he did not understand her position, seemingly. I do not at all agree with how he handled that. I appreciate you asking a direct question.

The line I confronted re: genie is the line of stigma, judgement and ostracization that is the REAL pain for those with psychic pain, on any level. That goes beyond conscientious acknowledgment that someone needs help, and to a degree of being degrading. That is a very distinct line. When someone crosses that line and acts degrading, it's about someone being degrading and has nothing to do with mental health issues in another person.

fair enough. i got the impression you were telling her things like depression aren't real mental illness and shouldn't be treated medically.

ledvedderman

soulsinging wrote:

fair enough. i got the impression you were telling her things like depression aren't real mental illness and shouldn't be treated medically.

Nice Franklin quote...It ain't easy being white...

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

For those who wonder why I take issue about the Tom Cruise thing, when he's not going to read this board...there are numerous people who DO read the board, and who have mental health issues. Society constantly sends the message that rather than understand mental health issues, we should be ashamed and degraded for them. I don't accept that.

i would be pretty shocked if anyone read this thread and said to themselves "wow, these people think tom cruise is nuts for building a house to protect himself from aliens, i should be ashamed of my bipolar disorder."

we are saying tom cruise is crazy in the same sense jerry falwell, the president of iran, or an islamic suicide bomber is. it's got nothing to do with medical mental illness. i don't think anyone here ever implied he was schizophrenic or needed a mental health professional. just that he's got some wacky ass ideas, as do some of the christians round here that we take shots at every day.

this is the same kind of hyper-sensitive pc bullshit that turned my school into a circus last week. someone was mugged and the school flipped out becos the victim described his attacker as african-american... saying it insinuated that all blacks are criminal and should be feared. likewise, this is a ridiculous over-reaction. nobody would think us poking fun at tom cruise for building a bunker to be safe from aliens or calling scientologists a bit whacky is a knock on people with real mental health issues anymore than us saying jihad violence is a crazy idea or bombing abortion clinics is nutty.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

This Xenu crap has got to be the worst excuse Tom's ever used for trying to cover up his underground marijuana grow op ambitions.

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

yes, but i've never claimed to be reasonable or enlightened

Me neither. If you've ever followed my Ahnimus talks, I've actually said repeatedly that I don't consider myself enlightened. People use "my" enlightenment as a straw man argument against me....;)

What I claim is to be integrated, which means that I am just as comfortable using an emotional or intuitive argument as a reasoned one. I don't buy into society's prioritizing one above another.

soulsinging

ledvedderman wrote:

Nice Franklin quote...It ain't easy being white...

thanks, gotta spread the AD love when i can. didja get my pm?

anotherclone

dunkman wrote:

apparently he's built it to be just over 5ft in height... to allow him room to use his trampoline.

HAHAHA!!!!

I'm just getting caught up here and I think this comment is hysterically funny. A nice way to break up the whole "mental illness debate" anyway.

I don't know that Tom Cruise is mentally ill, but I would say he may have been brainwashed by his religion. But meh...who hasn't been brainwashed by a religion?

Seriously, the guy is at the stage or rank (or whatever its called) in Scientology where he believes he can control time, space, the thoughts and deeds of others as well as walk through walls.

Nah...I'd say he's perfectly fine. Doesn't everyone think that way?

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

fair enough. i got the impression you were telling her things like depression aren't real mental illness and shouldn't be treated medically.

I use the term "mental health issues" because they happen on a continuum and people are always along the continuum somewhere...sometimes more happy, sometimes more sad, sometimes the ideas are more unique/unusual etc. I see mental health issues as being about prevention, and about support, and about finding healthier ways. To draw a line and making them about healthy/unhealthy is kinda a modern day good/bad. In terms of social power dynamics when we label one person in the system as "crazy" it is not accurate at all, imo. People like to point the finger, to keep the attention off of themselves......

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

Me neither. If you've ever followed my Ahnimus talks, I've actually said repeatedly that I don't consider myself enlightened. People use "my" enlightenment as a straw man argument against me....;)

What I claim is to be integrated, which means that I am just as comfortable using an emotional or intuitive argument as a reasoned one. I don't buy into society's prioritizing one above another.

i see. the enlightened thing is brought upon yourself though. you come off slightly condescending at times, for the reasons i pointed out with your post earlier... that passive-aggressive (it's not truly openly aggressive) dismissing people's views while pretending to accept them thing. i've seen you do it often and it's why i brought out the enlightened thing, becos it reads pretty arrogant when you do it.

i never follow your ahnimus talks. you guys are nuts

jlew24asu

anotherclone wrote:

HAHAHA!!!!

I'm just getting caught up here and I think this comment is hysterically funny. A nice way to break up the whole "mental illness debate" anyway.

I don't know that Tom Cruise is mentally ill, but I would say he may have been brainwashed by his religion. But meh...who hasn't been brainwashed by a religion?

Seriously, the guy is at the stage or rank (or whatever its called) in Scientology where he believes he can control time, space, the thoughts and deeds of others as well as walk through walls.

Nah...I'd say he's perfectly fine. Doesn't everyone think that way?

brainwashed for sure. perfectly fine? well maybe expect for the brainwashed part. plus, 10 mil really isnt that much to him anyway.

angelica

anotherclone wrote:

Doesn't everyone think that way?

No, just enlightened people.

genie

anotherclone wrote:

I don't know that Tom Cruise is mentally ill, but I would say he may have been brainwashed by his religion. But meh...who hasn't been brainwashed by a religion?

yes, i totally agree.

anotherclone wrote:

Nah...I'd say he's perfectly fine. Doesn't everyone think that way?

and nope, i totally disagree. It ain't right walking around with a brainwashed head. next think he'll be hearing voices and we all know what that can lead to

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

I use the term "mental health issues" because they happen on a continuum and people are always along the continuum somewhere...sometimes more happy, sometimes more sad, sometimes the ideas are more unique/unusual etc. I see mental health issues as being about prevention, and about support, and about finding healthier ways. To draw a line and making them about healthy/unhealthy is kinda a modern day good/bad. In terms of social power dynamics when we label one person in the system as "crazy" it is not accurate at all, imo. People like to point the finger, to keep the attention off of themselves......

crazy has a ton of connotations and definitions. it is not solely about mental health and illness. shit, the only reason we talk about mental illness is so that it is not confused with the popular connotation of crazy (just whacky or eccentric). the same thing happened with mentally disabled, which was retarded until retarded had so many pop culture definitions and a new term was needed to separate the popular from the clinical. the use of the word crazy in here is meaningless in terms of a real debate about mental health issues.

jlew24asu

angelica wrote:

No, just enlightened people.

um, what do you mean by that?

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

i see. the enlightened thing is brought upon yourself though. you come off slightly condescending at times, for the reasons i pointed out with your post earlier... that passive-aggressive (it's not truly openly aggressive) dismissing people's views while pretending to accept them thing. i've seen you do it often and it's why i brought out the enlightened thing, becos it reads pretty arrogant when you do it.

i never follow your ahnimus talks. you guys are nuts

I'm a person. I have a view limited to my individuality. There's no way in the world I can be perfect. Maybe some day people will accept that. Do I have a high self-esteem? Yep. Do I make huge mistakes? Yep. Do I sometimes have a towering ego? Yes.

Also, when I'm misunderstood, while I contribute to it, it also takes "two", including those judging me and projecting their impressions on me.