My apologies: I intended that comment to be openly aggressive, not passive.
When someone is degrading someone, and saying it's fun, I've been known to be obnoxious from time to time.
i hardly feel poking fun at tom cruise for wanting to build a bomb shelter from aliens on a message board he will never read qualifies as the kind of sadistic behavior deserving of verbal aggression.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
yet you say you agree with genie that depression is not a mental illness and should not be medicated, based solely upon the fact that you got over your issues that way? aren't you degrading the severity of their illness?
Where did I say psychiatric issues should not be medicated? Just this morning, I supported a friend who has recently chosen to go on anti-depressants, and for her teenage son, as well. Optimally, I hope we can change our social dynamics so that we and our children no longer need medications to feel "okay". And I do what it takes to move in a direction where we solve the underlying dynamics and prevent "illness", for the most part. (besides my own frustration and anger that causes me to act out, too) I DEFINITELY support a social world where we can appreciate each others differences, and where individuals can grow and flourish, rather than have to contract and not feel well. If I could not manage my own issues tomorrow and felt suicidal, I would go directly on medication.
eg. do you agree with tom cruise that brooke shields should not have taken medication to help with her post-partum depression? how come you discredit genie for the line she draws, then you decide you can draw your own lines about what is real mental illness and what isnt?
I don't agree with Tom Cruise's view on Brooke Shield's medical state during her ppd. I personally developed OCD out of ppd. Underlyingly, I believe Tom Cruise had some valid points about psychology/psychiatry but he did not understand her position, seemingly. I do not at all agree with how he handled that. I appreciate you asking a direct question.
The line I confronted re: genie is the line of stigma, judgement and ostracization that is the REAL pain for those with psychic pain, on any level. That goes beyond conscientious acknowledgment that someone needs help, and to a degree of being degrading. That is a very distinct line. When someone crosses that line and acts degrading, it's about someone being degrading and has nothing to do with mental health issues in another person.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
i hardly feel poking fun at tom cruise for wanting to build a bomb shelter from aliens on a message board he will never read qualifies as the kind of sadistic behavior deserving of verbal aggression.
I hardly think the things you "rail" against deserve verbal aggression....
Emotions are not logical.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
If I could not manage my own issues tomorrow and felt suicidal, I would go directly on medication.
i rather wouldn't. although i wouldn't judge anyone for taking medications.... you would just run the risk of having your mental issues worsen.
i just quit my job at the mental health facility last week. that place was so unreal. people would go to that place habitually. they literally had bags of dozens of medications that weighed as much as 2 or 3 lbs. i always wondered why they would never get better.
i found that medications aren't the "ultimate" solutions, in any case. and in some cases, it increases or worsens your illness. to a certain extent.... i agree with scientologists.
not to say medications don't work at all.... they do. but i myself rather wouldn't take 'em. and i hope none of my family will ever have to take them. i feel it's better to use natural things. the sun for instance... it's good vitamin for the brain. the country. a vacation. light-hearted conversations with the family.
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My apologies: I intended that comment to be openly aggressive, not passive.
When someone is degrading someone, and saying it's fun, I've been known to be obnoxious from time to time.
well, i came back home. and it's all still kicking off
and what's this all about passive-aggresive and openly agressive??
when i said i liked the way his said "pounce" i meant i liked the word. it's nothing to do with you or with soulsinging. i liked the word because i pictured ( i can't believe i'm writing this in here ) a pretty tiger pouncing on me with it's cute claws out. i don't know... the word seemed sexy to me. i don't understand how i am being passively agressive here.
I'm not siding with Tom Criuse... but, think about it... how much different are his beliefs than some one who thinks a guy that lived 2,000 years ago will come back to life... from Heaven to take only the people who worship Him as their Saviour? Or someone who believes that Jesus lived in America and His truth was dechiphered from golden tablets through reading stones that only one man could read? Or that strapping a bomb to your chest and walkng onto a city bus and detonating it makes you a martyr and you get to skip the formalities of getting into Heaven and jump to the front of the line?
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To me... all of those 'truths' are not The Truth. They are relative truths to the believer. And if the person truely believes them... and it makes them happy... who am I to question their Subjective Truths? Well... except for the dude that blows himself up with the sole purpose of killing others in mind.
Would things be different if L.Ron Hubbard wrote his book is 63 A.D?
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Lol at opinions in this thread. If you have the money...why not?
You already bought and own everything else you can think of...
The man isn't exactly lifting a hammer or breaking a sweat to get it done.
Maybe he just wants to upgrade one part of his already pretty incredible house to include a mission impossible or "James Bond" section. Whatever... the guy is loaded...he's probably bored
Anyhow Iraqi citizens are getting a pretty shit deal these days eh?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i rather wouldn't. although i wouldn't judge anyone for taking medications.... you would just run the risk of having your mental issues worsen.
i just quit my job at the mental health facility last week. that place was so unreal. people would go to that place habitually. they literally had bags of dozens of medications that weighed as much as 2 or 3 lbs. i always wondered why they would never get better.
i found that medications aren't the "ultimate" solutions, in any case. and in some cases, it increases or worsens your illness. to a certain extent.... i agree with scientologists.
not to say medications don't work at all.... they do. but i myself rather wouldn't take 'em. and i hope none of my family will ever have to take them. i feel it's better to use natural things. the sun for instance... it's good vitamin for the brain. the country. a vacation. light-hearted conversations with the family.
I fully agree there are better options to mental health meds. The way I see it, by the time one is entrenched in patterns of pain, depression, etc. and cannot change those patterns after trying and trying--medication can provide some relief that can give one some peace of mind, so that the individual is better enabled to solve their life problems and come up with more natural or better and better methods. It's a way to get moving in the right direction.
Here is the problem: People are taught to believe they are flawed when they experience mental health issues. They are degraded. The result is generally that they believe the mental health issues are who they are--they are told it's genetic. They are stigmatized; their character is attacked. Therefore, they are stuck in very ill patterns, and chronic illness is the result. Their thinking processes become disabled, and they cannot rise out of the conditions on their own. They need any help they can find to get out of the patterns. So I support people using any tool that they find WORKS for them. I support people choosing for themselves the tools that bring progress of any sort. And it's SO important that we support people being all they can be, rather than sending them hopeless messages that they are and always will be ill. It's our stigma that creates the hopeless cycles.
For those who wonder why I take issue about the Tom Cruise thing, when he's not going to read this board...there are numerous people who DO read the board, and who have mental health issues. Society constantly sends the message that rather than understand mental health issues, we should be ashamed and degraded for them. I don't accept that.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
well, i came back home. and it's all still kicking off
and what's this all about passive-aggresive and openly agressive??
when i said i liked the way his said "pounce" i meant i liked the word. it's nothing to do with you or with soulsinging. i liked the word because i pictured ( i can't believe i'm writing this in here ) a pretty tiger pouncing on me with it's cute claws out. i don't know... the word seemed sexy to me. i don't understand how i am being passively agressive here.
I apologize if I was off-base, as only you know if you were being aggressive.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
is building a $10,000,000 bunker to protect oneself from an alien invasion "logical" ?
As long as you are trying to justify degrading someone, I'm saying there is no justification. I get that you disagree with Tom Cruise. I get that you are not sensitive to stigma regarding mental health issues.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
As long as you are trying to justify degrading someone, I'm saying there is no justification. I get that you disagree with Tom Cruise. I get that you are not sensitive to stigma regarding mental health issues.
not sensitive to stigma regarding mental health issues? how so?
not sensitive to stigma regarding mental health issues? how so?
You obviously think it is okay to degrade someone whose views you disagree with. That creates mental health issues, as opposed to being tolerant and accepting of people and their beliefs. Good mental health is all our business.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You obviously think it is okay to degrade someone whose views you disagree with. That creates mental health issues, as opposed to being tolerant and accepting of people and their beliefs. Good mental health is all our business.
tom cruise certainly is a smart guy. he is one of the most successful actors of all time. (arguably )
how can one reason with someone who believes aliens are going to invade the planet. should I feel sorry for him?
tom cruise certainly is a smart guy. he is one of the most successful actors of all time. (arguably )
how can one reason with someone who believes aliens are going to invade the planet. should I feel sorry for him?
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No... don't feel sorry for him... It's his religion. It's like saying someone who thinks they will magically disappear before Armagedon begins is crazy and you should feel sorry for him. Yeah... his religion sounds kooky... but, don't all religions sound kooky?
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Where did I say psychiatric issues should not be medicated? Just this morning, I supported a friend who has recently chosen to go on anti-depressants, and for her teenage son, as well. Optimally, I hope we can change our social dynamics so that we and our children no longer need medications to feel "okay". And I do what it takes to move in a direction where we solve the underlying dynamics and prevent "illness", for the most part. (besides my own frustration and anger that causes me to act out, too) I DEFINITELY support a social world where we can appreciate each others differences, and where individuals can grow and flourish, rather than have to contract and not feel well. If I could not manage my own issues tomorrow and felt suicidal, I would go directly on medication.
I don't agree with Tom Cruise's view on Brooke Shield's medical state during her ppd. I personally developed OCD out of ppd. Underlyingly, I believe Tom Cruise had some valid points about psychology/psychiatry but he did not understand her position, seemingly. I do not at all agree with how he handled that. I appreciate you asking a direct question.
The line I confronted re: genie is the line of stigma, judgement and ostracization that is the REAL pain for those with psychic pain, on any level. That goes beyond conscientious acknowledgment that someone needs help, and to a degree of being degrading. That is a very distinct line. When someone crosses that line and acts degrading, it's about someone being degrading and has nothing to do with mental health issues in another person.
fair enough. i got the impression you were telling her things like depression aren't real mental illness and shouldn't be treated medically.
For those who wonder why I take issue about the Tom Cruise thing, when he's not going to read this board...there are numerous people who DO read the board, and who have mental health issues. Society constantly sends the message that rather than understand mental health issues, we should be ashamed and degraded for them. I don't accept that.
i would be pretty shocked if anyone read this thread and said to themselves "wow, these people think tom cruise is nuts for building a house to protect himself from aliens, i should be ashamed of my bipolar disorder."
we are saying tom cruise is crazy in the same sense jerry falwell, the president of iran, or an islamic suicide bomber is. it's got nothing to do with medical mental illness. i don't think anyone here ever implied he was schizophrenic or needed a mental health professional. just that he's got some wacky ass ideas, as do some of the christians round here that we take shots at every day.
this is the same kind of hyper-sensitive pc bullshit that turned my school into a circus last week. someone was mugged and the school flipped out becos the victim described his attacker as african-american... saying it insinuated that all blacks are criminal and should be feared. likewise, this is a ridiculous over-reaction. nobody would think us poking fun at tom cruise for building a bunker to be safe from aliens or calling scientologists a bit whacky is a knock on people with real mental health issues anymore than us saying jihad violence is a crazy idea or bombing abortion clinics is nutty.
This Xenu crap has got to be the worst excuse Tom's ever used for trying to cover up his underground marijuana grow op ambitions.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
yes, but i've never claimed to be reasonable or enlightened
Me neither. If you've ever followed my Ahnimus talks, I've actually said repeatedly that I don't consider myself enlightened. People use "my" enlightenment as a straw man argument against me....;)
What I claim is to be integrated, which means that I am just as comfortable using an emotional or intuitive argument as a reasoned one. I don't buy into society's prioritizing one above another.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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i hardly feel poking fun at tom cruise for wanting to build a bomb shelter from aliens on a message board he will never read qualifies as the kind of sadistic behavior deserving of verbal aggression.
The Oprah thing still tops it though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IawUK166cVQ
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I don't agree with Tom Cruise's view on Brooke Shield's medical state during her ppd. I personally developed OCD out of ppd. Underlyingly, I believe Tom Cruise had some valid points about psychology/psychiatry but he did not understand her position, seemingly. I do not at all agree with how he handled that. I appreciate you asking a direct question.
The line I confronted re: genie is the line of stigma, judgement and ostracization that is the REAL pain for those with psychic pain, on any level. That goes beyond conscientious acknowledgment that someone needs help, and to a degree of being degrading. That is a very distinct line. When someone crosses that line and acts degrading, it's about someone being degrading and has nothing to do with mental health issues in another person.
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Emotions are not logical.
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is building a $10,000,000 bunker to protect oneself from an alien invasion "logical" ?
i just quit my job at the mental health facility last week. that place was so unreal. people would go to that place habitually. they literally had bags of dozens of medications that weighed as much as 2 or 3 lbs. i always wondered why they would never get better.
i found that medications aren't the "ultimate" solutions, in any case. and in some cases, it increases or worsens your illness. to a certain extent.... i agree with scientologists.
not to say medications don't work at all.... they do. but i myself rather wouldn't take 'em. and i hope none of my family will ever have to take them. i feel it's better to use natural things. the sun for instance... it's good vitamin for the brain. the country. a vacation. light-hearted conversations with the family.
well, i came back home. and it's all still kicking off
and what's this all about passive-aggresive and openly agressive??
when i said i liked the way his said "pounce" i meant i liked the word. it's nothing to do with you or with soulsinging. i liked the word because i pictured ( i can't believe i'm writing this in here ) a pretty tiger pouncing on me with it's cute claws out. i don't know... the word seemed sexy to me.
...
To me... all of those 'truths' are not The Truth. They are relative truths to the believer. And if the person truely believes them... and it makes them happy... who am I to question their Subjective Truths? Well... except for the dude that blows himself up with the sole purpose of killing others in mind.
Would things be different if L.Ron Hubbard wrote his book is 63 A.D?
Hail, Hail!!!
You already bought and own everything else you can think of...
The man isn't exactly lifting a hammer or breaking a sweat to get it done.
Maybe he just wants to upgrade one part of his already pretty incredible house to include a mission impossible or "James Bond" section. Whatever... the guy is loaded...he's probably bored
Anyhow Iraqi citizens are getting a pretty shit deal these days eh?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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this is not an Iraq thread. go away
Here is the problem: People are taught to believe they are flawed when they experience mental health issues. They are degraded. The result is generally that they believe the mental health issues are who they are--they are told it's genetic. They are stigmatized; their character is attacked. Therefore, they are stuck in very ill patterns, and chronic illness is the result. Their thinking processes become disabled, and they cannot rise out of the conditions on their own. They need any help they can find to get out of the patterns. So I support people using any tool that they find WORKS for them. I support people choosing for themselves the tools that bring progress of any sort. And it's SO important that we support people being all they can be, rather than sending them hopeless messages that they are and always will be ill. It's our stigma that creates the hopeless cycles.
For those who wonder why I take issue about the Tom Cruise thing, when he's not going to read this board...there are numerous people who DO read the board, and who have mental health issues. Society constantly sends the message that rather than understand mental health issues, we should be ashamed and degraded for them. I don't accept that.
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Touchy touchy...
my my...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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yeah, maaaaann let's keep it simple and straight foward
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exactly. so when was the last Xenu spotting? last christmas I think?
not sensitive to stigma regarding mental health issues? how so?
ok, i wasn't agressive, and i wasn't intending to be
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tom cruise certainly is a smart guy. he is one of the most successful actors of all time. (arguably
how can one reason with someone who believes aliens are going to invade the planet. should I feel sorry for him?
well, i think Xenu starred in his/her own christmas movie, it was called "The Grinch"
In other news, the grass is green.
Sorry Jeff, it was there for the taking.
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No... don't feel sorry for him... It's his religion. It's like saying someone who thinks they will magically disappear before Armagedon begins is crazy and you should feel sorry for him. Yeah... his religion sounds kooky... but, don't all religions sound kooky?
Hail, Hail!!!
yes, but i've never claimed to be reasonable or enlightened
fair enough. i got the impression you were telling her things like depression aren't real mental illness and shouldn't be treated medically.
Nice Franklin quote...It ain't easy being white...
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i would be pretty shocked if anyone read this thread and said to themselves "wow, these people think tom cruise is nuts for building a house to protect himself from aliens, i should be ashamed of my bipolar disorder."
we are saying tom cruise is crazy in the same sense jerry falwell, the president of iran, or an islamic suicide bomber is. it's got nothing to do with medical mental illness. i don't think anyone here ever implied he was schizophrenic or needed a mental health professional. just that he's got some wacky ass ideas, as do some of the christians round here that we take shots at every day.
this is the same kind of hyper-sensitive pc bullshit that turned my school into a circus last week. someone was mugged and the school flipped out becos the victim described his attacker as african-american... saying it insinuated that all blacks are criminal and should be feared. likewise, this is a ridiculous over-reaction. nobody would think us poking fun at tom cruise for building a bunker to be safe from aliens or calling scientologists a bit whacky is a knock on people with real mental health issues anymore than us saying jihad violence is a crazy idea or bombing abortion clinics is nutty.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
What I claim is to be integrated, which means that I am just as comfortable using an emotional or intuitive argument as a reasoned one. I don't buy into society's prioritizing one above another.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!