Tom Cruise has gone insane...

flywallyfly

This is just crazy. Next thing you know someone will say that a powerful being will end life on earth and take the believers up to his kingdom in heaven and those sinners left will perish in a hot place for eternity. Oh, nevermind ... that makes total sense.

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

Why? Because I disagree with his beliefs, or life choices? Because he doesn't think exactly like the majority/the norm?

becos he's building an armed bunker under his mansion. becos he ridiculed a mother suffering from post-partum on national tv. becos he jumped up and down on oprah's couch like a small child. becos he took his catholic fiance and locked her in a "training" compound until she accepted scientology.

but you're right... we shouldn't be critical of david koresh or jim jones or people like that. who are we to tell someone that psychologically abusing other people is wrong?

soulsinging

genie wrote:

yeah but he did produce a child didn't he?

god help us all... im still waiting for katie to grab that child and run like hell back to my hometown where she's from.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

villifying and shunning???

heheheheh..............

tom cruise is a blithering fucking idiot........

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

When one degrades another, it is always about the person doing the degradation--the person who is degrading.

degrade: to lower in dignity or estimation; bring into contempt
to lower in character or quality; debase.
To lower in dignity; dishonor or disgrace
To lower in moral or intellectual character

are you secretly the person who wrote 'the four agreements'?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

What about Britney?

genie

angelica wrote:

Why? Because I disagree with his beliefs, or life choices? Because he doesn't think exactly like the majority/the norm?

Angelica, i understand what you are trying to say. We all have differences to us. And there are people who are weird ( and i think i've met few of them ), but i think there should be a line where you can call some as just having different outlook on the world and someone who is going insane.

I personally think it's not healthy for Tom to get involved so deeply into the whole thing. He should dedicate a bit more of his time doing something else. If not, his belief will only progress further, and for worse.

I'm not saying he should abandon his religion, all i'm saying is that he shouldn't go extreme.....

genie

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

What about Britney?

hey this is Tom cruise thread, let's not mix it with another nutter

we've got plenty threads about Britney

angelica

genie wrote:

Angelica, i understand what you are trying to say. We all have differences to us. And there are people who are weird ( and i think i've met few of them ), but i think there should be a line where you can call some as just having different outlook on the world and someone who is going insane.

I personally think it's not healthy for Tom to get involved so deeply into the whole thing. He should dedicate a bit more of his time doing something else. If not, his belief will only progress further, and for worse.

I'm not saying he should abandon his religion, all i'm saying is that he shouldn't go extreme.....

So your idea of someone with mental health issues is based on whether they do what you think they "should" do? Is that the "line" one draws before they give themselves permission to be derogatory and degrading?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

http://www.tomcruiseisnuts.com/

angelica

"It takes one person to have a real disease. It takes 2 people to have a mental illness. It you are alone on an island you could develop a real disease like cancer or heart disease. But you cannot develop a mental illness such as hyperactivity or schizophrenia. This is because mental illness is always diagnosed on the basis of some sort of social conflict. When people do something that others find objectionable they can be diagnosed as mentally ill. If the person doing the diagnosing is more powerful than the person diagnosed, then there's trouble. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P6_FwpVo_s

Maybe it's just too bad for Tom Cruise that the masses who obviously as a group have much more power than he has as one individual, have diagnosed him as insane....

genie

angelica wrote:

So your idea of someone with mental health issues is based on whether they do what you think they "should" do? Is that the "line" one draws before they give themselves permission to be derogatory and degrading?

"should" do was a matter of speech, i had to explain myself somehow.... I just think what he is doing is rather extreme.

yes, i have been derogatory and degrading, but i was just making jokes. And before you say, i do know that making jokes is not a good thing either. Majority of the time i'm a nice, helpful person.....but then as everyone else i have a bad side to me. and this is one of them, take it or leave it, i am who i am.

if i were ever to meet him, i would let him know that i think what he's doing is crazyness

angelica

genie wrote:

"should" do was a matter of speech, i had to explain myself somehow.... I just think what he is doing is rather extreme.

yes, i have been derogatory and degrading, but i was just making jokes. And before you say, i do know that making jokes is not a good thing either. Majority of the time i'm a nice, helpful person.....but then as everyone else i have a bad side to me. and this is one of them, take it or leave it, i am who i am.

if i were ever to meet him, i would let him know that i think what he's doing is crazyness

I'm sure you're a great person, like the rest of people in this thread. I don't challenge that at all.

To me, this is about challenging social norms that we all accept at this time, and that cause stigma and perpetuate false ideas of illness. This stigma is the real pain of mental illness, whether real or false. If people had any idea what they cause by participating in this stigma, they absolutely would not do it.

genie

angelica wrote:

"It takes one person to have a real disease. It takes 2 people to have a mental illness. It you are alone on an island you could develop a real disease like cancer or heart disease. But you cannot develop a mental illness such as hyperactivity or schizophrenia. This is because mental illness is always diagnosed on the basis of some sort of social conflict. When people do something that others find objectionable they can be diagnosed as mentally ill. If the person doing the diagnosing is more powerful than the person diagnosed, then there's trouble. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P6_FwpVo_s

Maybe it's just too bad for Tom Cruise that the masses who obviously as a group have much more power than he has as one individual, have diagnosed him as insane....

mental illness is a disfunction in the brain. it's just as real as a cancer or any other physical disease.
so i'm not going to agree with what you've written in here.

angelica

"Think of how when people get angry with one another, they inevitably resort to some kind of diagnosis. They say "You're crazy!", or "You're mentally ill", "You're paranoid!". Can you imagine somebody getting angry with someone and saying "you have diabetes!", "you have Parkinson's disease!"? Social conflict has nothing to do with developing a real disease. You don't develop diabetes because someone doesn't like the way you think, speak, or behave. You have to have someone else present to judge that your behaviour is morally good or bad in order to have a mental illness. So diagnosis is a weapon; a tool people use against one antoher especially when there is some kind of power conflict present." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P6_FwpVo_s

angelica

genie wrote:

mental illness is a disfunction in the brain. it's just as real as a cancer or any other physical disease.
so i'm not going to agree with what you've written in here.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1772696002128802305&q=psychiatry&total=1256&start=20&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

"It takes one person to have a real disease. It takes 2 people to have a mental illness. It you are alone on an island you could develop a real disease like cancer or heart disease. But you cannot develop a mental illness such as hyperactivity or schizophrenia. This is because mental illness is always diagnosed on the basis of some sort of social conflict. When people do something that others find objectionable they can be diagnosed as mentally ill. If the person doing the diagnosing is more powerful than the person diagnosed, then there's trouble. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P6_FwpVo_s

Maybe it's just too bad for Tom Cruise that the masses who obviously as a group have much more power than he has as one individual, have diagnosed him as insane....

that's pure bullshit. you could be alone on an island with a mental illness and it could cause you to starve or otherwise behave in a way just as destructive to your physical well-being as cancer would be. my uncle is schizophrenic and we've seen him try to rough it on his own. he cannot take care of himself. however, if you listen to tom cruise, my uncle shouldn't take the medication that allows him to care for himself.

i also notice you responded to the easy for you to rebut points of genie, while ignoring my several very legit points as to why i think tom cruise is nuts.

angelica

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq-7uvVOoyk

BinGnarly

you kow what would really suck... the ever so slight chance that this does happen....Tom Cruise's ego would be HUUUUUUGE...not that it already isnt.

soulsinging

BinGnarly wrote:

you kow what would really suck... the ever so slight chance that this does happen....Tom Cruise's ego would be HUUUUUUGE...not that it already isnt.

yeah, i truly hope i'd die in the invasion just so i didnt have to listen to him saying "i told ya so!"