"It takes one person to have a real disease. It takes 2 people to have a mental illness. It you are alone on an island you could develop a real disease like cancer or heart disease. But you cannot develop a mental illness such as hyperactivity or schizophrenia. This is because mental illness is always diagnosed on the basis of some sort of social conflict. When people do something that others find objectionable they can be diagnosed as mentally ill. If the person doing the diagnosing is more powerful than the person diagnosed, then there's trouble. "
Maybe it's just too bad for Tom Cruise that the masses who obviously as a group have much more power than he has as one individual, have diagnosed him as insane....
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
So your idea of someone with mental health issues is based on whether they do what you think they "should" do? Is that the "line" one draws before they give themselves permission to be derogatory and degrading?
"should" do was a matter of speech, i had to explain myself somehow.... I just think what he is doing is rather extreme.
yes, i have been derogatory and degrading, but i was just making jokes. And before you say, i do know that making jokes is not a good thing either. Majority of the time i'm a nice, helpful person.....but then as everyone else i have a bad side to me. and this is one of them, take it or leave it, i am who i am.
if i were ever to meet him, i would let him know that i think what he's doing is crazyness
"should" do was a matter of speech, i had to explain myself somehow.... I just think what he is doing is rather extreme.
yes, i have been derogatory and degrading, but i was just making jokes. And before you say, i do know that making jokes is not a good thing either. Majority of the time i'm a nice, helpful person.....but then as everyone else i have a bad side to me. and this is one of them, take it or leave it, i am who i am.
if i were ever to meet him, i would let him know that i think what he's doing is crazyness
I'm sure you're a great person, like the rest of people in this thread. I don't challenge that at all.
To me, this is about challenging social norms that we all accept at this time, and that cause stigma and perpetuate false ideas of illness. This stigma is the real pain of mental illness, whether real or false. If people had any idea what they cause by participating in this stigma, they absolutely would not do it.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"It takes one person to have a real disease. It takes 2 people to have a mental illness. It you are alone on an island you could develop a real disease like cancer or heart disease. But you cannot develop a mental illness such as hyperactivity or schizophrenia. This is because mental illness is always diagnosed on the basis of some sort of social conflict. When people do something that others find objectionable they can be diagnosed as mentally ill. If the person doing the diagnosing is more powerful than the person diagnosed, then there's trouble. "
Maybe it's just too bad for Tom Cruise that the masses who obviously as a group have much more power than he has as one individual, have diagnosed him as insane....
mental illness is a disfunction in the brain. it's just as real as a cancer or any other physical disease.
so i'm not going to agree with what you've written in here.
"Think of how when people get angry with one another, they inevitably resort to some kind of diagnosis. They say "You're crazy!", or "You're mentally ill", "You're paranoid!". Can you imagine somebody getting angry with someone and saying "you have diabetes!", "you have Parkinson's disease!"? Social conflict has nothing to do with developing a real disease. You don't develop diabetes because someone doesn't like the way you think, speak, or behave. You have to have someone else present to judge that your behaviour is morally good or bad in order to have a mental illness. So diagnosis is a weapon; a tool people use against one antoher especially when there is some kind of power conflict present." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P6_FwpVo_s
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
mental illness is a disfunction in the brain. it's just as real as a cancer or any other physical disease.
so i'm not going to agree with what you've written in here.
"It takes one person to have a real disease. It takes 2 people to have a mental illness. It you are alone on an island you could develop a real disease like cancer or heart disease. But you cannot develop a mental illness such as hyperactivity or schizophrenia. This is because mental illness is always diagnosed on the basis of some sort of social conflict. When people do something that others find objectionable they can be diagnosed as mentally ill. If the person doing the diagnosing is more powerful than the person diagnosed, then there's trouble. "
Maybe it's just too bad for Tom Cruise that the masses who obviously as a group have much more power than he has as one individual, have diagnosed him as insane....
that's pure bullshit. you could be alone on an island with a mental illness and it could cause you to starve or otherwise behave in a way just as destructive to your physical well-being as cancer would be. my uncle is schizophrenic and we've seen him try to rough it on his own. he cannot take care of himself. however, if you listen to tom cruise, my uncle shouldn't take the medication that allows him to care for himself.
i also notice you responded to the easy for you to rebut points of genie, while ignoring my several very legit points as to why i think tom cruise is nuts.
i also notice you responded to the easy for you to rebut points of genie, while ignoring my several very legit points as to why i think tom cruise is nuts.
All people's opinions stand. I've responded to genie because what she said inspired me to respond. I have no interest in debate. I'm here to share my opinions, while listening to the opinions of others.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
i also notice you responded to the easy for you to rebut points of genie, while ignoring my several very legit points as to why i think tom cruise is nuts.
ah, how dare you!! :( you think my points are easy to rebut??.....well i guess true, that's what makes me even more sad :(
ah, how dare you!! :( you think my points are easy to rebut??.....well i guess true, that's what makes me even more sad :(
no, you just made the mistake of using language she could pounce upon angelica's pretty good at that, she takes after ffg. the second you said 'should' i knew she was going to be all over you.
I think there is a difference between being a psychopath and being depressed.
psychopaths have constant thoughts on their minds to hurt people, i watched a program where they've showed that pshychopaths brain reacts differently to acts of violence.
being depressed is a mood thing and a state of mind, but i wouldn't call it a mental illness
no, you just made the mistake of using language she could pounce upon angelica's pretty good at that, she takes after ffg. the second you said 'should' i knew she was going to be all over you.
yep, it's true, but i couldn't phrase myself better.
being depressed is a mood thing and a state of mind, but i wouldn't call it a mental illness
Now here I can agree.
I'm in support of a different view for society because I've been diagnosed with, AND I've dramatically suffered from bi-polar disorder, OCD, attention problems, eating disorders and addictions. I've resolved all of these problems and no longer take any medication. And again, I endured OCD, alone, for over ten years, for example. Bi-polar disorder for about 8 years! The ways I solved them were by finding empowering information that helped me overcome the imbalanced ideas I internalized, held, and that were reflected all around me. As I've become more and more personally empowered, I "miraculously" have no signs of illness and have not for years.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
yep, it's true, but i couldn't phrase myself better.
i do like how you say "pounce upon" hehe
Genie, I responded to you because you were not being argumentative. You are open to discussion, and were not seeming to be looking to make me "wrong". That creates a nice atmosphere for true communication, which is what I'm looking for.
Edit: I just realized the "pounce upon" comment so generally, it looks like you'd rather subvert your argumentativeness by being passively-aggressive. To each their own.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'm in support of a different view for society because I've been diagnosed with, AND I've dramatically suffered from bi-polar disorder, OCD, attention problems, eating disorders and addictions. I've resolved all of these problems and no longer take any medication. And again, I endured OCD, alone, for over ten years, for example. Bi-polar disorder for about 8 years! The ways I solved them were by finding empowering information that helped me overcome the imbalanced ideas I internalized, held, and that were reflected all around me. As I've become more and more personally empowered, I "miraculously" have no signs of illness and have not for years.
maybe you never actually had them and were just seeking attention?
Genie, I responded to you because you were not being argumentative. You are open to discussion, and were not seeming to be looking to make me "wrong". That creates a nice atmosphere for true communication, which is what I'm looking for.
Edit: I just realized the "pounce upon" comment so generally, it looks like you'd rather subvert your argumentativeness by being passively-aggressive. To each their own.
indeed. you were very open to discuss when you came right out on me to say i was wrong to ever call tom cruise crazy. and genie's the passive aggressive one eh? pot, meet the kettle. not every thread in the moving train is about your past history. you're as bad and blind as ahnimus, only at the opposite end of the spectrum.
maybe you never actually had them and were just seeking attention?
These are intricately connected power-charged situations that develop within the social power environment, being the family and the further reaching social institutions that surround the individual. The person takes on these imbalanced dynamics, reflecting the power dynamics around them, and including their own personal consitution.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
These are intricately connected power-charged situations that develop within the social power environment, being the family and the further reaching social institutions that surround the individual. The person takes on these imbalanced dynamics, reflecting the power dynamics around them, and including their own personal consitution.
are you saying mental illness has nothing to do with brain chemistry, ever? how come some people grow up fine from really fucked up families? how come some people have flawless upbringing but end up batshit crazy?
indeed. you were very open to discuss when you came right out on me to say i was wrong to ever call tom cruise crazy. and genie's the passive aggressive one eh? pot, meet the kettle. not every thread in the moving train is about your past history. you're as bad and blind as ahnimus, only at the opposite end of the spectrum.
If you can show me where I said something passively-aggressive, I'll be happy to respond.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
are you saying mental illness has nothing to do with brain chemistry, ever? how come some people grow up fine from really fucked up families? how come some people have flawless upbringing but end up batshit crazy?
Of course mental health issues have to do with brain chemistry.
Our dna blueprint is molded into a 3-d reality by the environmental interactions we experience as our brain quadruples in size over development since birth. Our brains are dynamic, and not rigid static systems.
If my boyfriend abuses me for five years, it will show in how I internalize the abuse and will have indicators in my brain chemistry. These dynamics can be affected from within, and also by changing the types of environmental conditions one interacts with outside. For example, by leaving said abusive boyfriend.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
If you can show me where I said something passively-aggressive, I'll be happy to respond.
"If villifying and shunning perfectly functional adults as "crazy" is fun for you, who am I to complain."
that's about the definition... you draw huge conclusions about the poster's intentions, label them with negative connotations and judgments, then give yourself the "out" by acting like you're not doing the same amount of conclusory judging you deride them for. we call tom cruise crazy and own our beliefs, you accuse us of deriving pleasure through demeaning others but try to act like it's not an opinion you hold.
are you saying mental illness has nothing to do with brain chemistry, ever? how come some people grow up fine from really fucked up families? how come some people have flawless upbringing but end up batshit crazy?
Did you notice I said it has to do with our own personal constitution, which means that how we process things is a big part of it. I'm a very emotionally sensitive person. I was taught to deny and repress my emotions and remaining very sensitive, my emotions operated beneath the surface, wreaking havoc in terms of OCD, and eventually bi-polar disorder.
The stigmatized ideas of "crazy" and the power issues of "mental illness" and my being "genetically "flawed" have nothing to do with this factual reality. When we understand, the degrading issues of "crazy" the power imbalances dissipate.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"If villifying and shunning perfectly functional adults as "crazy" is fun for you, who am I to complain."
that's about the definition... you draw huge conclusions about the poster's intentions, label them with negative connotations and judgments, then give yourself the "out" by acting like you're not doing the same amount of conclusory judging you deride them for. we call tom cruise crazy and own our beliefs, you accuse us of deriving pleasure through demeaning others but try to act like it's not an opinion you hold.
My apologies: I intended that comment to be openly aggressive, not passive.
When someone is degrading someone, and saying it's fun, I've been known to be obnoxious from time to time.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Did you notice I said it has to do with our own personal constitution, which means that how we process things is a big part of it. I'm a very emotionally sensitive person. I was taught to deny and repress my emotions and remaining very sensitive, my emotions operated beneath the surface, wreaking havoc in terms of OCD, and eventually bi-polar disorder.
The stigmatized ideas of "crazy" and the power issues of "mental illness" and my being "genetically "flawed" have nothing to do with this factual reality. When we understand, the degrading issues of "crazy" the power imbalances dissipate.
yet you say you agree with genie that depression is not a mental illness and should not be medicated, based solely upon the fact that you got over your issues that way? aren't you degrading the severity of their illness?
eg. do you agree with tom cruise that brooke shields should not have taken medication to help with her post-partum depression? how come you discredit genie for the line she draws, then you decide you can draw your own lines about what is real mental illness and what isnt?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P6_FwpVo_s
Maybe it's just too bad for Tom Cruise that the masses who obviously as a group have much more power than he has as one individual, have diagnosed him as insane....
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"should" do was a matter of speech, i had to explain myself somehow.... I just think what he is doing is rather extreme.
yes, i have been derogatory and degrading, but i was just making jokes. And before you say, i do know that making jokes is not a good thing either. Majority of the time i'm a nice, helpful person.....but then as everyone else i have a bad side to me. and this is one of them, take it or leave it, i am who i am.
if i were ever to meet him, i would let him know that i think what he's doing is crazyness
To me, this is about challenging social norms that we all accept at this time, and that cause stigma and perpetuate false ideas of illness. This stigma is the real pain of mental illness, whether real or false. If people had any idea what they cause by participating in this stigma, they absolutely would not do it.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
mental illness is a disfunction in the brain. it's just as real as a cancer or any other physical disease.
so i'm not going to agree with what you've written in here.
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that's pure bullshit. you could be alone on an island with a mental illness and it could cause you to starve or otherwise behave in a way just as destructive to your physical well-being as cancer would be. my uncle is schizophrenic and we've seen him try to rough it on his own. he cannot take care of himself. however, if you listen to tom cruise, my uncle shouldn't take the medication that allows him to care for himself.
i also notice you responded to the easy for you to rebut points of genie, while ignoring my several very legit points as to why i think tom cruise is nuts.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
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ah, how dare you!! :( you think my points are easy to rebut??.....well i guess true, that's what makes me even more sad :(
no, you just made the mistake of using language she could pounce upon
I think there is a difference between being a psychopath and being depressed.
psychopaths have constant thoughts on their minds to hurt people, i watched a program where they've showed that pshychopaths brain reacts differently to acts of violence.
being depressed is a mood thing and a state of mind, but i wouldn't call it a mental illness
yep, it's true, but i couldn't phrase myself better.
i do like how you say "pounce upon" hehe
I'm in support of a different view for society because I've been diagnosed with, AND I've dramatically suffered from bi-polar disorder, OCD, attention problems, eating disorders and addictions. I've resolved all of these problems and no longer take any medication. And again, I endured OCD, alone, for over ten years, for example. Bi-polar disorder for about 8 years! The ways I solved them were by finding empowering information that helped me overcome the imbalanced ideas I internalized, held, and that were reflected all around me. As I've become more and more personally empowered, I "miraculously" have no signs of illness and have not for years.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Edit: I just realized the "pounce upon" comment so generally, it looks like you'd rather subvert your argumentativeness by being passively-aggressive. To each their own.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
maybe you never actually had them and were just seeking attention?
indeed. you were very open to discuss when you came right out on me to say i was wrong to ever call tom cruise crazy. and genie's the passive aggressive one eh? pot, meet the kettle. not every thread in the moving train is about your past history. you're as bad and blind as ahnimus, only at the opposite end of the spectrum.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
are you saying mental illness has nothing to do with brain chemistry, ever? how come some people grow up fine from really fucked up families? how come some people have flawless upbringing but end up batshit crazy?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
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Our dna blueprint is molded into a 3-d reality by the environmental interactions we experience as our brain quadruples in size over development since birth. Our brains are dynamic, and not rigid static systems.
If my boyfriend abuses me for five years, it will show in how I internalize the abuse and will have indicators in my brain chemistry. These dynamics can be affected from within, and also by changing the types of environmental conditions one interacts with outside. For example, by leaving said abusive boyfriend.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
"If villifying and shunning perfectly functional adults as "crazy" is fun for you, who am I to complain."
that's about the definition... you draw huge conclusions about the poster's intentions, label them with negative connotations and judgments, then give yourself the "out" by acting like you're not doing the same amount of conclusory judging you deride them for. we call tom cruise crazy and own our beliefs, you accuse us of deriving pleasure through demeaning others but try to act like it's not an opinion you hold.
The stigmatized ideas of "crazy" and the power issues of "mental illness" and my being "genetically "flawed" have nothing to do with this factual reality. When we understand, the degrading issues of "crazy" the power imbalances dissipate.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
When someone is degrading someone, and saying it's fun, I've been known to be obnoxious from time to time.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
yet you say you agree with genie that depression is not a mental illness and should not be medicated, based solely upon the fact that you got over your issues that way? aren't you degrading the severity of their illness?
eg. do you agree with tom cruise that brooke shields should not have taken medication to help with her post-partum depression? how come you discredit genie for the line she draws, then you decide you can draw your own lines about what is real mental illness and what isnt?