The problem is he "shiny" so to speak and attracted a lot of followers on this shiny/fresh face value charismatic and capable approach, then he fails miserably at it....the little traditional things that are so easy to do.
like a brand new car with a scratch on it.
conflicting brainwaves...
i am not attracted becasue he is shiny...
i am attracted to him because he speeks about "we" and not "me"
the #1 quality of a great leader, is having the ability to lead and have peopel believe in you... was MLK Jr perfect, no... was Gandhi perfect, no... but they had a message of hope and collective progress. they spoke about "we", and not "me"... and they were 2 of the greatest leaders of the 20th century, because they were able to unite people of all walks of life under the guise of collective progress
the people that assume obama is doing well because he is popular forget his name recognition about 6 months ago was almost zero
i am attracted to him because he speeks about "we" and not "me"
the #1 quality of a great leader, is having the ability to lead and have peopel believe in you... was MLK Jr perfect, no... was Gandhi perfect, no... but they had a message of hope and collective progress. they spoke about "we", and not "me"... and they were 2 of the greatest leaders of the 20th century, because they were able to unite people of all walks of life under the guise of collective progress
the people that assume obama is doing well because he is popular forget his name recognition about 6 months ago was almost zero
You are attracted to his shininess... his ability to conduct a moving speech and gain appeal through it.
I call this shine appeal because car salesmen are often good at it. They routinely emphasize how "shiny", sporty, and cool looking the car is rather than just present the stats of the vehicle (the actual issues themselves)
Afterwards people get snagged by the warranty...hehe
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Okay,
Sorry that I have not been able to respond all day.
Basically this is how I feel.....
I don't trust Obama, like i said before I could give two shits about the pin or salute bullshit and there are real political views on why I do not like him that would take to long to list. I just do not like him as a person. I guess I am the only one. He seems week to me.
I do think his wife said a terrible thing and it does matter to me since she wants to be the first lady of this country. Granted I have said many stupid things that I wish I had not said but I nor my wife is running for office.
I don't trust him b/c for one, he is a typical politician. And two maybe his pastor is the one who said all those bad things but if you stand near the sewer, your gonna smell like shit. It took him way to long to say that he seperates himself from Wright. There are to many little things that add up to a big deal for me and you all seem to have the answers for and thats fine but I just do not care for the guy.
Bash away
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
You are attracted to his shininess... his ability to conduct a moving speech and gain appeal through it.
I call this shine appeal because car salesmen are often good at it. They routinely emphasize how "shiny", sporty, and cool looking the car is rather than just present the stats of the vehicle (the actual issues themselves)
Afterwards people get snagged by the warranty...hehe
you have no clue what i think, but thanks for assuming...
what were people attracted to MLK Jr for? his shininess because he was a great orator or his message?
You are attracted to his shininess... his ability to conduct a moving speech and gain appeal through it.
I call this shine appeal because car salesmen are often good at it. They routinely emphasize how "shiny", sporty, and cool looking the car is rather than just present the stats of the vehicle (the actual issues themselves)
Afterwards people get snagged by the warranty...hehe
Roland, I think you are cool. You have awesome insight.
..the warranty... lol
The problem with Obama is that he's popular enough to resonate with mass amounts of people, so he's at a level to reflect to them who they are and their ideals. The average person holds a lot of darkness within and it will come to the surface. Guaranteed. Evolution happens slow and steady. Ron Paul or Kucinich, on the other hand, were pointing to the Truth behind the individual truths of the masses.
Obama is great for what he's offering, and yet mediocrity continues to fuel killing and dichotomy on the world stage in a widespread fashion.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I don't trust Obama... there are real political views on why I do not like him that would take to long to list.... I just do not like him as a person... He seems week to me... I don't trust him... I just do not care for the guy.
wow, that does it, i am no longer voting for Obama because of this overwhelming case made by the acoustic guy
and some people want thoughtful debate created by shit like that? :rolleyes:
. Ron Paul or Kucinich, on the other hand, were pointing to the Truth behind the individual truths of the masses.
ron paul was spreading the truth? which one, the racist gay bashing ron paul... or the ron paul that doesnt believe in eveolution or a womans right to choose?
I wasn't insulting anything, I was quoting the clip.
Like Obama or not, as long as you are not solely basing any opinions on this propoganda BS which caters to the easily confused and non discerning members of society....
I mean seriously... while we are making rediculous accuasations.... maybe we shouldn't vote for hilary either because she could PMS and start nuclear war.....
OR, we could be realistic and disreguard the propoganda from the onset.
you have no clue what i think, but thanks for assuming...
what were people attracted to MLK Jr for? his shininess because he was a great orator or his message?
Sure I do, because his policies blur into McSame and Hillary.
If the message ain't got no shine nobody gonna buy it...
From a sales perspective Obama is a closer in this regard.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
ron paul was spreading the truth? which one, the racist gay bashing ron paul... or the ron paul that doesnt believe in eveolution or a womans right to choose?
and Kucinich endorsed Obama, for good reason.
If I were American, and voting, I'd probably also vote for Obama.
Can you understand that even views you don't like have validity, despite your opinion?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
wow, that does it, i am no longer voting for Obama because of this overwhelming case made by the acoustic guy
and some people want thoughtful debate created by shit like that? :rolleyes:
Easy bro,
I am not trying to get a law passed here.
I don't have time to get into it. Its not as important to me as you.
Its okay that we have different opinions on the subject.
Relax
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Sure I do, because his policies blur into McSame and Hillary.
If the message ain't got no shine nobody gonna buy it...
From a sales perspective Obama is a closer in this regard.
ahhhh, the old "Obama is the same as McCain" argument... i think another popular poster around here even said "Obama is the same as Bush" at one time and couldnt back it up
Easy bro,
I am not trying to get a law passed here.
I don't have time to get into it. Its not as important to me as you.
Its okay that we have different opinions on the subject.
Relax
i am totally relaxed.
just dont be mad when you get called out for that horseshit you spewed.
Okay,
Sorry that I have not been able to respond all day.
Basically this is how I feel.....
I don't trust Obama, like i said before I could give two shits about the pin or salute bullshit and there are real political views on why I do not like him that would take to long to list. I just do not like him as a person. I guess I am the only one. He seems week to me.
I do think his wife said a terrible thing and it does matter to me since she wants to be the first lady of this country. Granted I have said many stupid things that I wish I had not said but I nor my wife is running for office.
I don't trust him b/c for one, he is a typical politician. And two maybe his pastor is the one who said all those bad things but if you stand near the sewer, your gonna smell like shit. It took him way to long to say that he seperates himself from Wright. There are to many little things that add up to a big deal for me and you all seem to have the answers for and thats fine but I just do not care for the guy.
Bash away
Nothing to bash if you don't like the guy, I may disagree with you, but you don't have to like him or trust him. But do you really think that this movie was a good and fair representation of even the things you just said?
I know you said you don't want to go into why you don't like him, but hopefully your reasons are more to the point than what was brought up in this film.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
Easy bro,
I am not trying to get a law passed here.
I don't have time to get into it. Its not as important to me as you.
Its okay that we have different opinions on the subject.
Relax
and also, why would you post this video, claim it was life altering, and then "not have time to get into it" or espouse your concerns?
or is it just that you dont know what you are talking about?
How do you determine that not all opinions have validity? How can you tell what is your personal bias, and real validity/lack-of-validity in the view of another?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
ahhhh, the old "Obama is the same as McCain" argument... i think another popular poster around here even said "Obama is the same as Bush" at one time and couldnt back it up
just like Gore was the same as Bush :rolleyes:
you guys cant be serious...
Well they do quite frankly. He has zero tolerance for opposition in the middle east and will support Israel and fight "terrorism" for 600 years if necessary. That's a direct quote from him btw...
This is where a lot of Obama fans play ostrich..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
How do you determine that not all opinions have validity? How can you tell what is your personal bias, and real validity/lack-of-validity in the view of another?
Do you really believe that all opinions have validity? What if someone were to have the opinion, and I'm sure there is some racist who does, that all blacks in America should go back to being slaves. Is that a valid opinion?
Sure some opinions can't be called invalid, like if you like chocolate more than vanilla (which I do), but I think other opinions are certainly invalid?
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
Obama is great for what he's offering, and yet mediocrity continues to fuel killing and dichotomy on the world stage in a widespread fashion.
That's a little vague. Care to clarify using arguments instead of using ad hominems?
I would love to clarify my assertion: Any politician that is going to be able to hook the masses is doing so because they reflect the masses. Obama may be "shiny" and yet, that he resonates with so many shows the similarities he has with so many. The majority of people are imbalanced, and play this imbalance out all around them. And further, they deny what they do, and point the finger at the other guy. This mediocrity - this attachment people have with fragmentation and their egos, at the expense of wholeness, understanding and awareness is behind all judgment/blame/conflict and war in the world. People continue to act in such a fragmented way, and to gravitate to others who do so.
You might want to look up what "ad hominem" means...
How do you determine that not all opinions have validity? How can you tell what is your personal bias, and real validity/lack-of-validity in the view of another?
easy... if you said women are inferior, i would say that was an invalid opinion.
if you said blacks were inferior, that is invalid.
i am sorry, not every opion is to be valued or respected
Sure some opinions can't be called invalid, like if you like chocolate more than vanilla (which I do), but I think other opinions are certainly invalid?
I wonder how much of this is about liking the Chocolate over Vanilla...
hehe j/k
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Comments
Oh I get it! You wanted to represent the feeling you get when you step into these threads filled with testy Obama supporters.
Don't drop those twigs!!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I just wish we could all put aside our differences, and disco dance our way into peace.
Because then they'd be too busy disco dancing to notice us creeping up behind them to hit them with hammers.
i am not attracted becasue he is shiny...
i am attracted to him because he speeks about "we" and not "me"
the #1 quality of a great leader, is having the ability to lead and have peopel believe in you... was MLK Jr perfect, no... was Gandhi perfect, no... but they had a message of hope and collective progress. they spoke about "we", and not "me"... and they were 2 of the greatest leaders of the 20th century, because they were able to unite people of all walks of life under the guise of collective progress
the people that assume obama is doing well because he is popular forget his name recognition about 6 months ago was almost zero
You are attracted to his shininess... his ability to conduct a moving speech and gain appeal through it.
I call this shine appeal because car salesmen are often good at it. They routinely emphasize how "shiny", sporty, and cool looking the car is rather than just present the stats of the vehicle (the actual issues themselves)
Afterwards people get snagged by the warranty...hehe
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Yeah, but it has to be real disco dancing and not some bunch of phonies all doing the mashed potato.
Hammers? Have you met my brother? Long story...no time for that now.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Sorry that I have not been able to respond all day.
Basically this is how I feel.....
I don't trust Obama, like i said before I could give two shits about the pin or salute bullshit and there are real political views on why I do not like him that would take to long to list. I just do not like him as a person. I guess I am the only one. He seems week to me.
I do think his wife said a terrible thing and it does matter to me since she wants to be the first lady of this country. Granted I have said many stupid things that I wish I had not said but I nor my wife is running for office.
I don't trust him b/c for one, he is a typical politician. And two maybe his pastor is the one who said all those bad things but if you stand near the sewer, your gonna smell like shit. It took him way to long to say that he seperates himself from Wright. There are to many little things that add up to a big deal for me and you all seem to have the answers for and thats fine but I just do not care for the guy.
Bash away
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
you have no clue what i think, but thanks for assuming...
what were people attracted to MLK Jr for? his shininess because he was a great orator or his message?
..the warranty... lol
The problem with Obama is that he's popular enough to resonate with mass amounts of people, so he's at a level to reflect to them who they are and their ideals. The average person holds a lot of darkness within and it will come to the surface. Guaranteed. Evolution happens slow and steady. Ron Paul or Kucinich, on the other hand, were pointing to the Truth behind the individual truths of the masses.
Obama is great for what he's offering, and yet mediocrity continues to fuel killing and dichotomy on the world stage in a widespread fashion.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
wow, that does it, i am no longer voting for Obama because of this overwhelming case made by the acoustic guy
and some people want thoughtful debate created by shit like that? :rolleyes:
ron paul was spreading the truth? which one, the racist gay bashing ron paul... or the ron paul that doesnt believe in eveolution or a womans right to choose?
and Kucinich endorsed Obama, for good reason.
Ok thats even more funny.
I wasn't insulting anything, I was quoting the clip.
Like Obama or not, as long as you are not solely basing any opinions on this propoganda BS which caters to the easily confused and non discerning members of society....
I mean seriously... while we are making rediculous accuasations.... maybe we shouldn't vote for hilary either because she could PMS and start nuclear war.....
OR, we could be realistic and disreguard the propoganda from the onset.
it seems metaphors involving car warranties are more successful in that way.
cross the river to the eastside
Sure I do, because his policies blur into McSame and Hillary.
If the message ain't got no shine nobody gonna buy it...
From a sales perspective Obama is a closer in this regard.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Can you understand that even views you don't like have validity, despite your opinion?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
That's a little vague. Care to clarify using arguments instead of using ad hominems?
of course... but not all opinions have validity
Easy bro,
I am not trying to get a law passed here.
I don't have time to get into it. Its not as important to me as you.
Its okay that we have different opinions on the subject.
Relax
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
ahhhh, the old "Obama is the same as McCain" argument... i think another popular poster around here even said "Obama is the same as Bush" at one time and couldnt back it up
just like Gore was the same as Bush :rolleyes:
you guys cant be serious...
i am totally relaxed.
just dont be mad when you get called out for that horseshit you spewed.
Nothing to bash if you don't like the guy, I may disagree with you, but you don't have to like him or trust him. But do you really think that this movie was a good and fair representation of even the things you just said?
I know you said you don't want to go into why you don't like him, but hopefully your reasons are more to the point than what was brought up in this film.
and also, why would you post this video, claim it was life altering, and then "not have time to get into it" or espouse your concerns?
or is it just that you dont know what you are talking about?
lets get to the real deal here my friend.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Well they do quite frankly. He has zero tolerance for opposition in the middle east and will support Israel and fight "terrorism" for 600 years if necessary. That's a direct quote from him btw...
This is where a lot of Obama fans play ostrich..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Man you are so ridiculous.
You really get that heated up about this?
To the point where ya gotta get nasty?
As I said before, its just sad.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Do you really believe that all opinions have validity? What if someone were to have the opinion, and I'm sure there is some racist who does, that all blacks in America should go back to being slaves. Is that a valid opinion?
Sure some opinions can't be called invalid, like if you like chocolate more than vanilla (which I do), but I think other opinions are certainly invalid?
You might want to look up what "ad hominem" means...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
easy... if you said women are inferior, i would say that was an invalid opinion.
if you said blacks were inferior, that is invalid.
i am sorry, not every opion is to be valued or respected
horsehit is nasty?
wow
arent you the one that called people blind and stupid?
I wonder how much of this is about liking the Chocolate over Vanilla...
hehe j/k
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")