You can't get any reasonable discussion because the majority of Obama supporters here have all become emotionally attached. It is apparent in almost every thread started with any critique concerning Obama. They'll be more insults and sarcasm than any substantial replies. It has become routine.
If only it were that easy to get people to listen to me!
Actually, I think people listen to me MORE here due to the invisibility.
I have to admit that I didn't know if you were a girl or guy till we started hijacking threads together.
But let's face it - The Moving Train isn't the place to go if you want your opinion to be looked at in any kind of rational way.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Exactly, just got back to my computer and was about to address all the sad people in an uproar but it is not worth my time.
To have a political discution sounds great to me. I like to hear the reasons why people vote the way they do.
But to listen to insults from people who hide behind their computer is silly.
I usually never post in the moving train b/c most of the people in here are much more into politics then I am plus they are ridiculous, but I wanted to see how many Obama people get all worked up.
LOL
I think Obama should be more neutral toward Israel, and drop the zero tolerance attitude towards "terrorism" by propping up an apartheid assault on the Palestinians. Do or die....
please. :rolleyes:
Those two things about him are definitely not good.
I have to admit that I didn't know if you were a girl or guy till we started hijacking threads together.
But let's face it - The Moving Train isn't the place to go if you want your opinion to be looked at in any kind of rational way.
I'm starting to realize that...
hijacking threads it is then!
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
thanks, yeah, it was playing on my itunes when i signed up for the pit.
i've had his cover of 'thirteen' stuck in my head all day; it's an elliott day out here. i miss him.
but yeah back on topic:
i just voted for obama by mail. i will do it again in the fall. easy: ballot will arrive in my mailbox. i will completely fill in the circle next to his name. then i will rejoice and canvass the shit out of this state.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
If you don't feel that includes you then don't take offense. And I don't think, for the most part anyway, that it does include you. You are usually good at handling your replies without getting nasty and silly about it and I recognize that.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If you don't feel that includes you then don't take offense. And I don't think, for the most part anyway, that it does include you. You are usually good at handling your replies without getting nasty and silly about it and I recognize that.
no problems here, just joining the discussion...:p
honestly, I think if one doesn't get a bit emotional, there's a problem...but that's just me...
no problems here, just joining the discussion...:p
honestly, I think if one doesn't get a bit emotional, there's a problem...but that's just me...
True and you're talking to ms emotional here. But if you want to be able to transform that emotion into passion and determination you have to be able to debate objectively and address any valid points with counter points instead of emotionally and defensively charged insults and sarcasms only.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
True and you're talking to ms emotional here. But if you want to be able to transform that emotion into passion and determination you have to be able to debate objectively and address any valid points with counter points instead of emotionally and defensively charged insults and sarcasms only.
I suppose...:D
but insults and sarcasms can be kinda fun....;)
seriously, this is a plain ol' message board....not congress or a court of law...it's a place to talk politic-un...
veering this thread back to post one...the OP openly admitted this:
Ok you guys.... stop being so cheerful and get back to the Obama bashing
If you're going to hijack the thread at least fly it into Obama...
uh oh...
lol...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Excuse me, but its irrelevant that his name is Barack Hussein Obama.
Its irrelevant that he doesn't wear a pin.
Its irrelevant that he didn't put his hand on his heart.
Myself, although I love and respect my country alongside my love for all countries, I am not patriotic, nor tied into divisions such as "nations", etc. I respect that Obama doesn't wear the pin, and that he won't hold his hand on his heart.
At the same time, I also recognize that despite my view, a whopping number of Americans are patriotic, and very highly emotionally tied into their nation, particularly as separate and individual among other nations. Such individuals have strong emotional ties to the symbols and indicators of patriotism. These individuals have valid reasons for being patriotic based on their life experiences and worldviews. They also have every right to expect their potential leaders to hold to a similar sense of patriotism as they themselves hold to. I acknowledge that. I respect that. I respect their views and opinions. I think it's as appropriate to create videos that appeal to these individuals, just like it's appropriate to create movies like "Loose Change", etc. When people make such movies, they are appealing to a certain group, and that's applicable.
Disagree or agree, the patriotic view exists, to a large degree. And it's certainly fair to appeal to those individuals with these videos.
Its irrelevant that his wife said she wasn't proud of America for two reasons. First, we're voting for him, not her. Second, look at the context, and look at her whole statement. She was saying that she felt hopeful, and its fair for her to say that in her adult life she didn't feel hope in America. A lot of bad shit has happened. Don't take it too literally.
I agree that they have misconstrued what his wife said in a different context, in order to use her words for their purposes. And still, she is openly admitting that the course of America, in her adulthood, has not been one that she's been hopeful about until lately.
A man chooses the woman he spends his life with for exacting reasons - especially an intelligent, charismatic man like Obama. I would never underestimate the influence his wife's view has on his own. I can't blame Obama or his wife for not having hope in America as adults! I would probably agree if I were American! And still, I think his wife's statement is a very relevant point to bring out for those who oppose Obama in view! His detractors have every right to know something that makes such a strong statement, imo.
Its irrelevant what his pastor said for several reasons. First, he is not his pastor. Second, what ever happened to a separation between church and state? I don't care what his pastor said as long as Obama stands for issues relevant to presidency (i.e. not religion), as President that I agree with. Also, you need to look at his pastor's words in context, and again, not take them to literally. The guy is just saying, that blacks in America have gotten a bum rap (which is pretty much true) and that America needs to be called out on it.
The connection between Obama and terrorists is just plain ludicrous.
So there's a Che Guevara flag in one campaign office, and? Did he put it up? Did you find out why it was up there? Maybe he agrees with some principles that Che had, like change, but not all. Find out first
I loved how they had a black kid with a Swastika on the screen for thirty seconds. I wonder what they were insinuating with that... You know, cause it was so relevant...
jeffbr did a great job on this topic. I also cannot underestimate the spiritual inspiration and influence one has been so closely tied to for so long.
Separation of church and state to me is an artificial line. We cannot divide Obama the man from his Spiritual nature. Many Americans feel that they are one with their Spiritual selves, and they recognize that their decisions flow from their highest ideals and beliefs.
Yes, this video is full of spin. Yes, this video tries to construe the influence of a spiritual mentor into meaning that Obama agrees with the beliefs of this man in general, when we have no proof of that at all. Ultimately Obama is accountable ONLY for the fruits of his own beliefs, not for the beliefs or fruits of the beliefs of others.
To me, it's very relevent to scrutinize such issues. Discerning these issues is our friend. Scrutiny is our friend. Whether I agree or disagree with the original poster does not makes his view on the video any more or less valid.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Comments
Insults..?
Taunts...?
condescesion...? well, I may give you that one...funny how the "sad" and "blind" comments get a free pass...
then again, I suppose it's better to be pretentious....right...?
here we go...
If only it were that easy to get people to listen to me!
Actually, I think people listen to me MORE here due to the invisibility.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well, I think you both are pretty cool...even if you are an Obama supporter.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I have to admit that I didn't know if you were a girl or guy till we started hijacking threads together.
But let's face it - The Moving Train isn't the place to go if you want your opinion to be looked at in any kind of rational way.
exactly...
lol....
yikes, that's a long freakin' labor! :eek:
i hope you mean a year or more and a day apart...?
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
I agree....
I'm starting to realize that...
hijacking threads it is then!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think we're off to a running start already.
i've had his cover of 'thirteen' stuck in my head all day; it's an elliott day out here. i miss him.
but yeah back on topic:
i just voted for obama by mail. i will do it again in the fall. easy: ballot will arrive in my mailbox. i will completely fill in the circle next to his name. then i will rejoice and canvass the shit out of this state.
cross the river to the eastside
If you don't feel that includes you then don't take offense. And I don't think, for the most part anyway, that it does include you. You are usually good at handling your replies without getting nasty and silly about it and I recognize that.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
no problems here, just joining the discussion...:p
honestly, I think if one doesn't get a bit emotional, there's a problem...but that's just me...
The progress we've made thus for has been encouraging for sure.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
True and you're talking to ms emotional here.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
It's Revenge of the Nerds!
Wait... that's already a film. A good one... I'm gonna go watch a movie.:D
(Lie)
yeah, sorry i should have been more clear. birthdays are a day apart, not actual birthdates
but Commy and i are 4 hours apart, just different days.
thanks, feeling is mutual, even if you are a nader raider
Haven't seen that one in forevers!
yeah, and quit your lying...you know once you're sucked in, you can never escape the pull of campaigning for our cause.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
awww...he called me a Nader Raider!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'm so ashamed... I should have known better to think I could fool you.:o
How many laps around the Pit should I do in penance?
I suppose...:D
but insults and sarcasms can be kinda fun....;)
seriously, this is a plain ol' message board....not congress or a court of law...it's a place to talk politic-un...
veering this thread back to post one...the OP openly admitted this:
so much for objective debate and valid points...
Yeah, I'm a smartass for sure but I try to make sure my points are solid to back it up or else it might appear I have nothing else to offer up.
And yes, the fun of sarcam is too tempting to pass up so often.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
That sounds like assigning you more play time, actually.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Foiled again!
If you're going to hijack the thread at least fly it into Obama...
uh oh...
lol...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Wow. Fucking hysterical. I have to remember that the next time someone tries to hijack a thread and take it off topic.
So, no good/valid points from the video?
accoustic guy? Beuller?
At the same time, I also recognize that despite my view, a whopping number of Americans are patriotic, and very highly emotionally tied into their nation, particularly as separate and individual among other nations. Such individuals have strong emotional ties to the symbols and indicators of patriotism. These individuals have valid reasons for being patriotic based on their life experiences and worldviews. They also have every right to expect their potential leaders to hold to a similar sense of patriotism as they themselves hold to. I acknowledge that. I respect that. I respect their views and opinions. I think it's as appropriate to create videos that appeal to these individuals, just like it's appropriate to create movies like "Loose Change", etc. When people make such movies, they are appealing to a certain group, and that's applicable.
Disagree or agree, the patriotic view exists, to a large degree. And it's certainly fair to appeal to those individuals with these videos.
I agree that they have misconstrued what his wife said in a different context, in order to use her words for their purposes. And still, she is openly admitting that the course of America, in her adulthood, has not been one that she's been hopeful about until lately.
A man chooses the woman he spends his life with for exacting reasons - especially an intelligent, charismatic man like Obama. I would never underestimate the influence his wife's view has on his own. I can't blame Obama or his wife for not having hope in America as adults! I would probably agree if I were American! And still, I think his wife's statement is a very relevant point to bring out for those who oppose Obama in view! His detractors have every right to know something that makes such a strong statement, imo.
jeffbr did a great job on this topic. I also cannot underestimate the spiritual inspiration and influence one has been so closely tied to for so long.
Separation of church and state to me is an artificial line. We cannot divide Obama the man from his Spiritual nature. Many Americans feel that they are one with their Spiritual selves, and they recognize that their decisions flow from their highest ideals and beliefs.
Yes, this video is full of spin. Yes, this video tries to construe the influence of a spiritual mentor into meaning that Obama agrees with the beliefs of this man in general, when we have no proof of that at all. Ultimately Obama is accountable ONLY for the fruits of his own beliefs, not for the beliefs or fruits of the beliefs of others.
To me, it's very relevent to scrutinize such issues. Discerning these issues is our friend. Scrutiny is our friend. Whether I agree or disagree with the original poster does not makes his view on the video any more or less valid.
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we can tell
why, because they dont agree with you?