How could anybody vote for Obama after watching this?

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  • OneLove
    OneLove Posts: 563
    yosi wrote:
    And almost definitely condescending.


    Ok thats even more funny. :)

    I wasn't insulting anything, I was quoting the clip.

    Like Obama or not, as long as you are not solely basing any opinions on this propoganda BS which caters to the easily confused and non discerning members of society....

    I mean seriously... while we are making rediculous accuasations.... maybe we shouldn't vote for hilary either because she could PMS and start nuclear war.....

    OR, we could be realistic and disreguard the propoganda from the onset.
  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    my2hands wrote:
    and some people want thoughtful debate created by shit like that? :rolleyes:

    it seems metaphors involving car warranties are more successful in that way.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    you have no clue what i think, but thanks for assuming...

    what were people attracted to MLK Jr for? his shininess because he was a great orator or his message?

    Sure I do, because his policies blur into McSame and Hillary.

    If the message ain't got no shine nobody gonna buy it... ;)

    From a sales perspective Obama is a closer in this regard.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    my2hands wrote:
    ron paul was spreading the truth? which one, the racist gay bashing ron paul... or the ron paul that doesnt believe in eveolution or a womans right to choose?


    and Kucinich endorsed Obama, for good reason.
    If I were American, and voting, I'd probably also vote for Obama.

    Can you understand that even views you don't like have validity, despite your opinion?
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    angelica wrote:

    Obama is great for what he's offering, and yet mediocrity continues to fuel killing and dichotomy on the world stage in a widespread fashion.

    That's a little vague. Care to clarify using arguments instead of using ad hominems?
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    angelica wrote:
    If I were American, and voting, I'd probably also vote for Obama.

    Can you understand that even views you don't like have validity, despite your opinion?


    of course... but not all opinions have validity
  • acoustic guy
    acoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    my2hands wrote:
    wow, that does it, i am no longer voting for Obama because of this overwhelming case made by the acoustic guy


    and some people want thoughtful debate created by shit like that? :rolleyes:

    Easy bro,
    I am not trying to get a law passed here.
    I don't have time to get into it. Its not as important to me as you.
    Its okay that we have different opinions on the subject.
    Relax
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Sure I do, because his policies blur into McSame and Hillary.

    If the message ain't got no shine nobody gonna buy it... ;)

    From a sales perspective Obama is a closer in this regard.


    ahhhh, the old "Obama is the same as McCain" argument... i think another popular poster around here even said "Obama is the same as Bush" at one time and couldnt back it up

    just like Gore was the same as Bush :rolleyes:


    you guys cant be serious...
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    That video is an example of the dumbing down of America. If you can be swayed by that video; you're too dumb to vote.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Easy bro,
    I am not trying to get a law passed here.
    I don't have time to get into it. Its not as important to me as you.
    Its okay that we have different opinions on the subject.
    Relax

    i am totally relaxed.


    just dont be mad when you get called out for that horseshit you spewed.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Okay,
    Sorry that I have not been able to respond all day.
    Basically this is how I feel.....
    I don't trust Obama, like i said before I could give two shits about the pin or salute bullshit and there are real political views on why I do not like him that would take to long to list. I just do not like him as a person. I guess I am the only one. He seems week to me.
    I do think his wife said a terrible thing and it does matter to me since she wants to be the first lady of this country. Granted I have said many stupid things that I wish I had not said but I nor my wife is running for office.
    I don't trust him b/c for one, he is a typical politician. And two maybe his pastor is the one who said all those bad things but if you stand near the sewer, your gonna smell like shit. It took him way to long to say that he seperates himself from Wright. There are to many little things that add up to a big deal for me and you all seem to have the answers for and thats fine but I just do not care for the guy.

    Bash away

    Nothing to bash if you don't like the guy, I may disagree with you, but you don't have to like him or trust him. But do you really think that this movie was a good and fair representation of even the things you just said?

    I know you said you don't want to go into why you don't like him, but hopefully your reasons are more to the point than what was brought up in this film.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Easy bro,
    I am not trying to get a law passed here.
    I don't have time to get into it. Its not as important to me as you.
    Its okay that we have different opinions on the subject.
    Relax


    and also, why would you post this video, claim it was life altering, and then "not have time to get into it" or espouse your concerns?

    or is it just that you dont know what you are talking about?

    lets get to the real deal here my friend.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    my2hands wrote:
    of course... but not all opinions have validity
    How do you determine that not all opinions have validity? How can you tell what is your personal bias, and real validity/lack-of-validity in the view of another?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    ahhhh, the old "Obama is the same as McCain" argument... i think another popular poster around here even said "Obama is the same as Bush" at one time and couldnt back it up

    just like Gore was the same as Bush :rolleyes:


    you guys cant be serious...


    Well they do quite frankly. He has zero tolerance for opposition in the middle east and will support Israel and fight "terrorism" for 600 years if necessary. That's a direct quote from him btw...

    This is where a lot of Obama fans play ostrich..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • acoustic guy
    acoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    my2hands wrote:
    i am totally relaxed.


    just dont be mad when you get called out for that horseshit you spewed.

    Man you are so ridiculous.
    You really get that heated up about this?
    To the point where ya gotta get nasty?
    As I said before, its just sad.
    Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
    Sweep the Leg Johnny.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    angelica wrote:
    How do you determine that not all opinions have validity? How can you tell what is your personal bias, and real validity/lack-of-validity in the view of another?

    Do you really believe that all opinions have validity? What if someone were to have the opinion, and I'm sure there is some racist who does, that all blacks in America should go back to being slaves. Is that a valid opinion?

    Sure some opinions can't be called invalid, like if you like chocolate more than vanilla (which I do), but I think other opinions are certainly invalid?
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    yosi wrote:
    angelica wrote:
    Obama is great for what he's offering, and yet mediocrity continues to fuel killing and dichotomy on the world stage in a widespread fashion.
    That's a little vague. Care to clarify using arguments instead of using ad hominems?
    I would love to clarify my assertion: Any politician that is going to be able to hook the masses is doing so because they reflect the masses. Obama may be "shiny" and yet, that he resonates with so many shows the similarities he has with so many. The majority of people are imbalanced, and play this imbalance out all around them. And further, they deny what they do, and point the finger at the other guy. This mediocrity - this attachment people have with fragmentation and their egos, at the expense of wholeness, understanding and awareness is behind all judgment/blame/conflict and war in the world. People continue to act in such a fragmented way, and to gravitate to others who do so.

    You might want to look up what "ad hominem" means...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    angelica wrote:
    How do you determine that not all opinions have validity? How can you tell what is your personal bias, and real validity/lack-of-validity in the view of another?


    easy... if you said women are inferior, i would say that was an invalid opinion.

    if you said blacks were inferior, that is invalid.


    i am sorry, not every opion is to be valued or respected
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Man you are so ridiculous.
    You really get that heated up about this?
    To the point where ya gotta get nasty?
    As I said before, its just sad.

    horsehit is nasty?


    wow


    arent you the one that called people blind and stupid?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    yosi wrote:
    Sure some opinions can't be called invalid, like if you like chocolate more than vanilla (which I do), but I think other opinions are certainly invalid?

    I wonder how much of this is about liking the Chocolate over Vanilla...

    hehe j/k
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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