How could anybody vote for Obama after watching this?

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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It doesn't bother me, but I think this might exude stupidity on his part more than anything.

    I guess. He was giving the American public too much credit thinking that they weren't so stupid and that they wouldn't give a crap about something not related to his actual stance on issues or his belief on anything.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Oh boy (girl :p) - you do not want to see some of the smilies I've got on MSN. I'm talking one guy slapping another guy with a slippery fish, Luke and Vader's lightsaber duel from the end of Empire, and the Grim Reaper shooting a guy. It'd be chaos! :p

    Precisely.

    I've tried making my own....not too fabulous but it's a start anyways.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5217453&postcount=52
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    angelica wrote:
    I noticed some very alarming things in this thread. First, some people are attached to their ... attachment, as you point to, at the expense of being objective.

    Also, I notice some were unwilling/unable to actually notice points that went contrary to their view - ie: were unable to see reasonably and objectively, and rather made snap judgments based on surface things. And then reverted to pettiness and ignorance for their choice of how to respond.

    While some disdained overt spin, they practiced reverse spin themselves. The result is, like happens wide-scale, that the actual issues were glossed over and ignored by some people...and by the time I came into the thread, it was happening with the majority of people who commented.

    People are choosing division at the expense of awareness and vision. It's not my favourite way to deal with issues to choose leadership. We definitely reap what we sow. It reminds me of why George Bush has been in power for these years. And why America holds such accountability on the world stage.

    you act as if this video and its ridiculous points are a catalyst for quality political conversation and critique? it's junk, and clearly biased propaganda. what else is their to say?

    i still like the fact that the OP cannot, and has not, provided his/her view or concerns...
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    sweet adeline wrote:
    right behind 'an unreasonable man' i presume ;)

    But of course. :D What a brilliant film that one is! Check it out sometime. ;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    OneLove wrote:
    Not one... not two...but three islamic names...

    BE AFRAID>.. BE VERRY AFRAID!!!

    hilarious.

    be careful...

    you might get scolded for being insulting, petty, and/or ignorant...
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    my2hands wrote:
    you act as if this video and its ridiculous points are a catalyst for quality political conversation and critique? it's junk, and clearly biased propaganda. what else is their to say?

    i still like the fact that the OP cannot, and has not, provided his/her view or concerns...

    Exactly. If the video had anything good to say (and that includes critiquing Obama - which is possible) it'd be fine.

    But it doesn't.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    inmytree wrote:
    be careful...

    you might get scolded for being insulting, petty, and/or ignorant...

    And almost definitely condescending.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Precisely.

    I've tried making my own....not too fabulous but it's a start anyways.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5217453&postcount=52

    Awesome! :D
    Hmmm...

    Okay, I tried making a guy doing the Charleston, but he just looked like he'd walked on a landmine while carrying some twigs. :(
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    be careful...

    you might get scolded for being insulting, petty, and/or ignorant...

    scolded?

    pointing something out is not scolding...and the fact that you take it that way is telling...
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    yosi wrote:
    I guess. He was giving the American public too much credit thinking that they weren't so stupid and that they wouldn't give a crap about something not related to his actual stance on issues or his belief on anything.

    The problem is he "shiny" so to speak and attracted a lot of followers on this shiny/fresh face value charismatic and capable approach, then he fails miserably at it....the little traditional things that are so easy to do.

    like a brand new car with a scratch on it.

    conflicting brainwaves...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Awesome! :D
    Hmmm...

    Okay, I tried making a guy doing the Charleston, but he just looked like he'd walked on a landmine while carrying some twigs. :(

    Oh I get it! You wanted to represent the feeling you get when you step into these threads filled with testy Obama supporters. :p

    Don't drop those twigs!!
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Oh I get it! You wanted to represent the feeling you get when you step into these threads filled with testy Obama supporters. :p

    Don't drop those twigs!!

    I just wish we could all put aside our differences, and disco dance our way into peace. :p

    Because then they'd be too busy disco dancing to notice us creeping up behind them to hit them with hammers. :D
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    The problem is he "shiny" so to speak and attracted a lot of followers on this shiny/fresh face value charismatic and capable approach, then he fails miserably at it....the little traditional things that are so easy to do.

    like a brand new car with a scratch on it.

    conflicting brainwaves...

    i am not attracted becasue he is shiny...


    i am attracted to him because he speeks about "we" and not "me"


    the #1 quality of a great leader, is having the ability to lead and have peopel believe in you... was MLK Jr perfect, no... was Gandhi perfect, no... but they had a message of hope and collective progress. they spoke about "we", and not "me"... and they were 2 of the greatest leaders of the 20th century, because they were able to unite people of all walks of life under the guise of collective progress

    the people that assume obama is doing well because he is popular forget his name recognition about 6 months ago was almost zero
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    i am not attracted becasue he is shiny...


    i am attracted to him because he speeks about "we" and not "me"


    the #1 quality of a great leader, is having the ability to lead and have peopel believe in you... was MLK Jr perfect, no... was Gandhi perfect, no... but they had a message of hope and collective progress. they spoke about "we", and not "me"... and they were 2 of the greatest leaders of the 20th century, because they were able to unite people of all walks of life under the guise of collective progress

    the people that assume obama is doing well because he is popular forget his name recognition about 6 months ago was almost zero

    You are attracted to his shininess... his ability to conduct a moving speech and gain appeal through it.

    I call this shine appeal because car salesmen are often good at it. They routinely emphasize how "shiny", sporty, and cool looking the car is rather than just present the stats of the vehicle (the actual issues themselves)

    Afterwards people get snagged by the warranty...hehe
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I just wish we could all put aside our differences, and disco dance our way into peace. :p

    Because then they'd be too busy disco dancing to notice us creeping up behind them to hit them with hammers. :D


    Yeah, but it has to be real disco dancing and not some bunch of phonies all doing the mashed potato. :D

    Hammers? Have you met my brother? Long story...no time for that now. :p
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • acoustic guy
    acoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    Okay,
    Sorry that I have not been able to respond all day.
    Basically this is how I feel.....
    I don't trust Obama, like i said before I could give two shits about the pin or salute bullshit and there are real political views on why I do not like him that would take to long to list. I just do not like him as a person. I guess I am the only one. He seems week to me.
    I do think his wife said a terrible thing and it does matter to me since she wants to be the first lady of this country. Granted I have said many stupid things that I wish I had not said but I nor my wife is running for office.
    I don't trust him b/c for one, he is a typical politician. And two maybe his pastor is the one who said all those bad things but if you stand near the sewer, your gonna smell like shit. It took him way to long to say that he seperates himself from Wright. There are to many little things that add up to a big deal for me and you all seem to have the answers for and thats fine but I just do not care for the guy.

    Bash away
    Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
    Sweep the Leg Johnny.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You are attracted to his shininess... his ability to conduct a moving speech and gain appeal through it.

    I call this shine appeal because car salesmen are often good at it. They routinely emphasize how "shiny", sporty, and cool looking the car is rather than just present the stats of the vehicle (the actual issues themselves)

    Afterwards people get snagged by the warranty...hehe

    you have no clue what i think, but thanks for assuming...

    what were people attracted to MLK Jr for? his shininess because he was a great orator or his message?
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You are attracted to his shininess... his ability to conduct a moving speech and gain appeal through it.

    I call this shine appeal because car salesmen are often good at it. They routinely emphasize how "shiny", sporty, and cool looking the car is rather than just present the stats of the vehicle (the actual issues themselves)

    Afterwards people get snagged by the warranty...hehe
    Roland, I think you are cool. :) You have awesome insight.

    ..the warranty... lol

    The problem with Obama is that he's popular enough to resonate with mass amounts of people, so he's at a level to reflect to them who they are and their ideals. The average person holds a lot of darkness within and it will come to the surface. Guaranteed. Evolution happens slow and steady. Ron Paul or Kucinich, on the other hand, were pointing to the Truth behind the individual truths of the masses.

    Obama is great for what he's offering, and yet mediocrity continues to fuel killing and dichotomy on the world stage in a widespread fashion.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    acoustic guy wrote:
    I don't trust Obama... there are real political views on why I do not like him that would take to long to list.... I just do not like him as a person... He seems week to me... I don't trust him... I just do not care for the guy.


    wow, that does it, i am no longer voting for Obama because of this overwhelming case made by the acoustic guy


    and some people want thoughtful debate created by shit like that? :rolleyes:
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    angelica wrote:
    . Ron Paul or Kucinich, on the other hand, were pointing to the Truth behind the individual truths of the masses.

    ron paul was spreading the truth? which one, the racist gay bashing ron paul... or the ron paul that doesnt believe in eveolution or a womans right to choose?


    and Kucinich endorsed Obama, for good reason.

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