Awesome hack job. I watched the whole thing. Seriously, where do they find these people who edit and narrate these things? I was laughing through like half of it. Hitler's propaganda was more subtle than this.
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Note that I said I'd like to see the points addressed reasonbly.
Here is post #6:
Insults, taunts and condescension indicate something else going on that is definitely not reason or reasonable.
You can't get any reasonable discussion because the majority of Obama supporters here have all become emotionally attached. It is apparent in almost every thread started with any critique concerning Obama. They'll be more insults and sarcasm than any substantial replies. It has become routine.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Note that I said I'd like to see the points addressed reasonbly.
Here is post #6:
Insults, taunts and condescension indicate something else going on that is definitely not reason or reasonable.
Exactly, just got back to my computer and was about to address all the sad people in an uproar but it is not worth my time.
To have a political discution sounds great to me. I like to hear the reasons why people vote the way they do.
But to listen to insults from people who hide behind their computer is silly.
I usually never post in the moving train b/c most of the people in here are much more into politics then I am plus they are ridiculous, but I wanted to see how many Obama people get all worked up.
LOL
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
You can't get any reasonable discussion because the majority of Obama supporters here have all become emotionally attached. It is apparent in almost every thread started with any critique concerning Obama. They'll be more insults and sarcasm than any substantial replies. It has become routine.
Exactly, just got back to my computer and was about to address all the sad people in an uproar but it is not worth my time.
To have a political discution sounds great to me. I like to hear the reasons why people vote the way they do.
But to listen to insults from people who hide behind their computer is silly.
I usually never post in the moving train b/c most of the people in here are much more into politics then I am plus they are ridiculous, but I wanted to see how many Obama people get all worked up.
LOL
First of all, I don't see that many insults in this thread. And there was actually some really respectful discussion in parts of this thread.
Now, I haven't read all the other threads on Obama, so don't tell me to just look there. But what about the points raised by people in here about the video? What do you think. I explained why I think parts of the video are irrelevant, and misinterpreted. Did you agree or disagree? What about the video did you think was really important?
acoustic guy, all you've stated so far is that people are "sad" or "blind". What parts of the video really bothered you. Instead of calling me blind or sad or dumb, just spit it out so we can actually discuss it. I'm not trying to bash you or anything, I just don't think you've personally added much to the discussion expect post the video.
So, even if you think its obvious, and this goes for anyone who agrees with this opinion, what did you find particularly true, and thoughtful about this video?
And to you abook, this thread seems to be exactly the opposite to what you describe. There have been several people to come up with some questions, and comments about the video, and its problems, with no responses other than "you're blind" or "its obvious". So, even if I dumb for asking, please, expand on what you think is wrong with Obama, that this video points out and why its true.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
First of all, I don't see that many insults in this thread. And there was actually some really respectful discussion in parts of this thread.
Now, I haven't read all the other threads on Obama, so don't tell me to just look there. But what about the points raised by people in here about the video? What do you think. I explained why I think parts of the video are irrelevant, and misinterpreted. Did you agree or disagree? What about the video did you think was really important?
acoustic guy, all you've stated so far is that people are "sad" or "blind". What parts of the video really bothered you. Instead of calling me blind or sad or dumb, just spit it out so we can actually discuss it. I'm not trying to bash you or anything, I just don't think you've personally added much to the discussion expect post the video.
So, even if you think its obvious, and this goes for anyone who agrees with this opinion, what did you find particularly true, and thoughtful about this video?
And to you abook, this thread seems to be exactly the opposite to what you describe. There have been several people to come up with some questions, and comments about the video, and its problems, with no responses other than "you're blind" or "its obvious". So, even if I dumb for asking, please, expand on what you think is wrong with Obama, that this video points out and why its true.
I think that Obama supporters don't look at any critique of objectively. Sure it might be pointed but it may also bring up good points. They immediately get defensive and pissy. I didn't even watch the clip. I already know enough about Obama to cause me not to vote for him so I really didn't see the point. These examples would be what I think is wrong with Obama:
I think that Obama supporters don't look at any critique of objectively. Sure it might be pointed but it may also bring up good points. They immediately get defensive and pissy. I didn't even watch the clip. I already know enough about Obama to cause me not to vote for him so I really didn't see the point. These examples would be what I think is wrong with Obama:
I think that Obama supporters don't look at any critique of objectively. Sure it might be pointed but it may also bring up good points. They immediately get defensive and pissy. I didn't even watch the clip. I already know enough about Obama to cause me not to vote for him so I really didn't see the point. These examples would be what I think is wrong with Obama:
See, while I don't necessarily agree with everything you said there (in the other thread), at least you made real points. You pointed out problems with his stances/past history in politics that you found problematic. Even if I disagree with them, that's great, and that is arguable.
The problem with this video, is that it mentioned none of that. The video was straight up propaganda that spoke about none of the issues and I think a supporter of anyone would find or should find that kind of video problematic.
People will get up in arms when someone cries foul about someone they support, and all the reasoning they get is complete nonsense. If you watched the video, and I don't recommend that you do, you would agree that the whole thing is pretty worthless.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
See, while I don't necessarily agree with everything you said there (in the other thread), at least you made real points. You pointed out problems with his stances/past history in politics that you found problematic. Even if I disagree with them, that's great, and that is arguable.
The problem with this video, is that it mentioned none of that. The video was straight up propaganda that spoke about none of the issues and I think a supporter of anyone would find or should find that kind of video problematic.
People will get up in arms when someone cries foul about someone they support, and all the reasoning they get is complete nonsense. If you watched the video, and I don't recommend that you do, you would agree that the whole thing is pretty worthless.
Perhaps, but I saw that a couple of people, that I know to be able to bring objectivity to the discussion, say that their were valid points brought up in the video.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yeah, but you don't dislike Obama because he has an Arabic name, or had some flag in an office, or knew a 60's radical, or doesn't wear a flag pin.
Very true. And I will say I can not stand those issues with Obama even being brought up because it distracts more all the substantial criticism out there others have made.
So objectively, were there any valid points in the video at all?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Very true. And I will say I can not stand those issues with Obama even being brought up because it distracts more all the substantial criticism out there others have made.
So objectively, were there any valid points in the video at all?
In my opinion, not really. I'm all for critiquing, as long as its valid. Its important to know what people do wrong in order to change it and in order to be better informed and make better opinions/decisions. So by all means critique Obama.
But this video has essentially nothing positive to offer.
If someone thinks this video had a valid and relevant point to share, by all means please make it clear to everyone else.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
See, while I don't necessarily agree with everything you said there (in the other thread), at least you made real points. You pointed out problems with his stances/past history in politics that you found problematic. Even if I disagree with them, that's great, and that is arguable.
The problem with this video, is that it mentioned none of that. The video was straight up propaganda that spoke about none of the issues and I think a supporter of anyone would find or should find that kind of video problematic.
People will get up in arms when someone cries foul about someone they support, and all the reasoning they get is complete nonsense. If you watched the video, and I don't recommend that you do, you would agree that the whole thing is pretty worthless.
I agree with Yosi here. Abook, while I hardly agree with him, is capable of backing up his reasons for the way he believes...I just disagree with him.
I actually wasted 13 minutes of my life, but I watched it. Yes, I am still going to vote for Obama!!!
You need to ACTUALLY educate yourself instead of believing a bunch of CRAP!!
The connection from terrorists to Obama, made me laugh.
Nothing in this video is new, it's all been said before and didn't go anywhere!
thanks, now i won't have to waste my time, too. from the tone of the thread title, i thought for sure it was some secretly taped conversation of obama's where he says that hill's a whore, bill's a pedophile, mccain's suffereing from ptsd and nader is older than god and just as relevant.
instead, it's a propaganda piece by obvious obama haters. for that crap, i can tune into foxsnooz.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
I think Obama should be more neutral toward Israel, and drop the zero tolerance attitude towards "terrorism" by propping up an apartheid assault on the Palestinians. Do or die....
please. :rolleyes:
Those two things about him are definitely not good.
That just incites more violence.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Comments
You can't get any reasonable discussion because the majority of Obama supporters here have all become emotionally attached. It is apparent in almost every thread started with any critique concerning Obama. They'll be more insults and sarcasm than any substantial replies. It has become routine.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Exactly, just got back to my computer and was about to address all the sad people in an uproar but it is not worth my time.
To have a political discution sounds great to me. I like to hear the reasons why people vote the way they do.
But to listen to insults from people who hide behind their computer is silly.
I usually never post in the moving train b/c most of the people in here are much more into politics then I am plus they are ridiculous, but I wanted to see how many Obama people get all worked up.
LOL
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
You have about three times as much patience as me as i only made it about a third of the way. Was the lying blow job guy in there?
i'm pretty sure Pesident Obama is laughing at this crap as well.
First of all, I don't see that many insults in this thread. And there was actually some really respectful discussion in parts of this thread.
Now, I haven't read all the other threads on Obama, so don't tell me to just look there. But what about the points raised by people in here about the video? What do you think. I explained why I think parts of the video are irrelevant, and misinterpreted. Did you agree or disagree? What about the video did you think was really important?
acoustic guy, all you've stated so far is that people are "sad" or "blind". What parts of the video really bothered you. Instead of calling me blind or sad or dumb, just spit it out so we can actually discuss it. I'm not trying to bash you or anything, I just don't think you've personally added much to the discussion expect post the video.
So, even if you think its obvious, and this goes for anyone who agrees with this opinion, what did you find particularly true, and thoughtful about this video?
And to you abook, this thread seems to be exactly the opposite to what you describe. There have been several people to come up with some questions, and comments about the video, and its problems, with no responses other than "you're blind" or "its obvious". So, even if I dumb for asking, please, expand on what you think is wrong with Obama, that this video points out and why its true.
I think that Obama supporters don't look at any critique of objectively. Sure it might be pointed but it may also bring up good points. They immediately get defensive and pissy. I didn't even watch the clip. I already know enough about Obama to cause me not to vote for him so I really didn't see the point. These examples would be what I think is wrong with Obama:
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5409414&postcount=21
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
See, while I don't necessarily agree with everything you said there (in the other thread), at least you made real points. You pointed out problems with his stances/past history in politics that you found problematic. Even if I disagree with them, that's great, and that is arguable.
The problem with this video, is that it mentioned none of that. The video was straight up propaganda that spoke about none of the issues and I think a supporter of anyone would find or should find that kind of video problematic.
People will get up in arms when someone cries foul about someone they support, and all the reasoning they get is complete nonsense. If you watched the video, and I don't recommend that you do, you would agree that the whole thing is pretty worthless.
Perhaps, but I saw that a couple of people, that I know to be able to bring objectivity to the discussion, say that their were valid points brought up in the video.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Very true. And I will say I can not stand those issues with Obama even being brought up because it distracts more all the substantial criticism out there others have made.
So objectively, were there any valid points in the video at all?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
In my opinion, not really. I'm all for critiquing, as long as its valid. Its important to know what people do wrong in order to change it and in order to be better informed and make better opinions/decisions. So by all means critique Obama.
But this video has essentially nothing positive to offer.
If someone thinks this video had a valid and relevant point to share, by all means please make it clear to everyone else.
I agree with Yosi here. Abook, while I hardly agree with him, is capable of backing up his reasons for the way he believes...I just disagree with him.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
I'm a girl, dammit!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I've been trying all afternoon to think of one from the vid but, well, can't due it.
people think i'm a girl all the time. i feel your pain. (*squint and give thumbs up*)
You didn't get the memo? You no longer are. I'm sorry.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
thanks, now i won't have to waste my time, too. from the tone of the thread title, i thought for sure it was some secretly taped conversation of obama's where he says that hill's a whore, bill's a pedophile, mccain's suffereing from ptsd and nader is older than god and just as relevant.
instead, it's a propaganda piece by obvious obama haters. for that crap, i can tune into foxsnooz.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
now THAT is a keeper.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
Well you're name says 'sweet' for one and adeline has a certain feminine ring to it. But my name is gender neutral, right? I don't get it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I wonder how many creepy PM's "Sweet" gets from dudes wanting to hook up?
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Probably just a holdover from the old "only nerdy guys use the internet" mindset.
I used to think him and Commy liked each other because they always conversed. Turns out they are just related.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Nerdy girls are staging a coup.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
obvs not from elliott smith fans
cross the river to the eastside
Hehe... All you'd have to do is look at the nerdy guys, and the nerds will do whatever you ask.
Oh yeah, I should have been using this to my advantage a long time ago!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If only people realised you weren't a guy, the world could be yours for the taking!
Or, dare I say, ours for the taking? Since all our posts seem to end up with us taking over the world.
Well, I knew it was from a song. But I wouldn't pick the name Dirty Frank for the same reason and others, actually.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
please. :rolleyes:
Those two things about him are definitely not good.
That just incites more violence.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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you have no idea. my sig used to say something like "i'm a dude, stop sending me PM's you sick horny bastards."
see below
thanks, yeah, it was playing on my itunes when i signed up for the pit.
our mothers are sisters. they were born a day apart, Commy and me are born a day apart. creepy, huh?
back on subject. go obama.