Like why does he have a flag of a Communist Murder in his campaign office?
Before anyone responds with bullshit watch the video. If is bs then tell me how so?
On Reports of an Inappropriate Flag in a Texas Obama Office
February 12, 2008
"This is a volunteer office that is not in any way controlled by the Obama campaign. We were disappointed to see this picture because it is both offensive to many Cuban-Americans -- and Americans of all backgrounds -- and because it does not reflect Senator Obama’s views. Barack Obama has been very clear in putting forward a Cuba policy that is based on one principle: freedom for the Cuban people." -- Obama Campaign
From Houston Fox News:
"The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign."
Pj Gurl...how long did it take you to find that? 90 seconds I'll assume? Yet, acoustic guy (and a lot of people on here) will believe anything that the almighty youtube or this shitty website claims.
Pj Gurl...how long did it take you to find that? 90 seconds I'll assume? Yet, acoustic guy (and a lot of people on here) will believe anything that the almighty youtube or this shitty website claims.
Completely irrelevant huh?
Man that is REALLY SAD.
Excuse me, but its irrelevant that his name is Barack Hussein Obama.
Its irrelevant that he doesn't wear a pin.
Its irrelevant that he didn't put his hand on his heart. I
ts irrelevant that his wife said she wasn't proud of America for two reasons. First, we're voting for him, not her. Second, look at the context, and look at her whole statement. She was saying that she felt hopeful, and its fair for her to say that in her adult life she didn't feel hope in America. A lot of bad shit has happened. Don't take it too literally.
Its irrelevant what his pastor said for several reasons. First, he is not his pastor. Second, what ever happened to a separation between church and state? I don't care what his pastor said as long as Obama stands for issues relevant to presidency (i.e. not religion), as President that I agree with. Also, you need to look at his pastor's words in context, and again, not take them to literally. The guy is just saying, that blacks in America have gotten a bum rap (which is pretty much true) and that America needs to be called out on it.
The connection between Obama and terrorists is just plain ludicrous.
So there's a Che Guevara flag in one campaign office, and? Did he put it up? Did you find out why it was up there? Maybe he agrees with some principles that Che had, like change, but not all. Find out first
I loved how they had a black kid with a Swastika on the screen for thirty seconds. I wonder what they were insinuating with that... You know, cause it was so relevant...
So please tell me what was relevant and what about it was so bad about Obama that you learned from this video.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
My point exactly. If you can not watch the whole thing and understand what I am talking about then again its just sad.
You don't have a point, and there's nothing in this thread that even remotely comes close to being something you have said that we should, for some reason, respond to. This is just another one of these useless threads that pops up on message boards where someone links to a video/website, thinks they are being clever, and then gets all up in arms when people call them out on it.
Enlighten us. What are you "talking about" that all of us should wise up to? What brilliant insight am I missing in a link to a video clip that is full of B.S. deceit and half truths?
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The last half of the video is all about reverend wright... That settles it for me, I'm never ever voting for reverend wright for president.
Barack on the other hand, I will vote for.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I empathize with you. I'm only 5 minutes in and this video raises some very distinct and valid points. Granted, it's slanted in a way that almost mystifies such points. However, I'd like to see some of your "opponents" in this thread address the actual points, reasonably.
with all due respect to you angelica, i believe he was asked what points he would like clarified back on post 6....
Note that I said I'd like to see the points addressed reasonbly.
Excuse me, but its irrelevant that his name is Barack Hussein Obama.
Its irrelevant that he doesn't wear a pin.
Its irrelevant that he didn't put his hand on his heart. I
ts irrelevant that his wife said she wasn't proud of America for two reasons. First, we're voting for him, not her. Second, look at the context, and look at her whole statement. She was saying that she felt hopeful, and its fair for her to say that in her adult life she didn't feel hope in America. A lot of bad shit has happened. Don't take it too literally.
Its irrelevant what his pastor said for several reasons. First, he is not his pastor. Second, what ever happened to a separation between church and state? I don't care what his pastor said as long as Obama stands for issues relevant to presidency (i.e. not religion), as President that I agree with. Also, you need to look at his pastor's words in context, and again, not take them to literally. The guy is just saying, that blacks in America have gotten a bum rap (which is pretty much true) and that America needs to be called out on it.
The connection between Obama and terrorists is just plain ludicrous.
So there's a Che Guevara flag in one campaign office, and? Did he put it up? Did you find out why it was up there? Maybe he agrees with some principles that Che had, like change, but not all. Find out first
I loved how they had a black kid with a Swastika on the screen for thirty seconds. I wonder what they were insinuating with that... You know, cause it was so relevant...
So please tell me what was relevant and what about it was so bad about Obama that you learned from this video.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
first of all .... at least obama was born in the united states unlike that old guy
secondly ...being that his father was born a muslim ... obama being a christian is pretty much calling mo a lying sack of shit.....not going to win you any favors in the muslim world
thirdly....wait ... that,s all i got
wait ....... " a BLACK GUY ?????? what's next ??? a mexican?? a cripple???? "
white people got it so easy.......you can be stupid and still rule the world
The video was stupid. I'm not voting for Obama anyway, but the video was on the whole irrelevant. But since you want to talk about your points, I'd be happy to.
Excuse me, but its irrelevant that his name is Barack Hussein Obama.
Its irrelevant that he doesn't wear a pin.
Its irrelevant that he didn't put his hand on his heart. I
ts irrelevant that his wife said she wasn't proud of America for two reasons. First, we're voting for him, not her. Second, look at the context, and look at her whole statement. She was saying that she felt hopeful, and its fair for her to say that in her adult life she didn't feel hope in America. A lot of bad shit has happened. Don't take it too literally.
I mostly agree with the above, although you are voting for the 1st lady when you vote for the President, and the 1st lady can give you an indication about how they think and feel and the issues that matter to them. If the 1st lady is irrelevant, why do they trot her out during campaigns?
Its irrelevant what his pastor said for several reasons. First, he is not his pastor. Second, what ever happened to a separation between church and state? I don't care what his pastor said as long as Obama stands for issues relevant to presidency (i.e. not religion), as President that I agree with. Also, you need to look at his pastor's words in context, and again, not take them to literally. The guy is just saying, that blacks in America have gotten a bum rap (which is pretty much true) and that America needs to be called out on it.
The connection between Obama and terrorists is just plain ludicrous.
I completely disagree with you here. Wright was Obama's pastor for 20 years. Obama was given his moral and spiritual path by Wright. They had a close personal relationship. Wright performed his marriage. Wright baptized Obama's kids. This wasn't some occasional trip to church. Wright was his mentor. And you can spin Wright's rantings any way you'd like. There are a lot of us who can see his blatant racism regardless of how you spin context.
I do agree that the connection between obama and terrorists is silly.
So there's a Che Guevara flag in one campaign office, and? Did he put it up? Did you find out why it was up there? Maybe he agrees with some principles that Che had, like change, but not all. Find out first
Obama didn't put up the flag and did ask for it to be taken down. So that is irrelevant. But you said something interesting here. What is the principle of change you talk about? That makes no sense to me. Hitler, Mao, Che, Jesus, Ghandi, and Thomas Jefferson all promoted change, but I'm pretty sure they weren't quite so vague about it. To praise Che simply because he was an agent of change is as dumb as putting a Che flag up in the office of a presidential candidate.
I loved how they had a black kid with a Swastika on the screen for thirty seconds. I wonder what they were insinuating with that... You know, cause it was so relevant...
I agree. That was stupid.
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The video was stupid. I'm not voting for Obama anyway, but the video was on the whole irrelevant. But since you want to talk about your points, I'd be happy to.
First off fair points all clear and well stated. I also appreciate the like of personal attacks. Its kind of rare on AMT.
I mostly agree with the above, although you are voting for the 1st lady when you vote for the President, and the 1st lady can give you an indication about how they think and feel and the issues that matter to them. If the 1st lady is irrelevant, why do they trot her out during campaigns?
I don't think they should trot them out. They do it probably to help gain the support of some of the public. Its seems clear that this is important to some people, although I don't think it should be, and its not to me.
I completely disagree with you here. Wright was Obama's pastor for 20 years. Obama was given his moral and spiritual path by Wright. They had a close personal relationship. Wright performed his marriage. Wright baptized Obama's kids. This wasn't some occasional trip to church. Wright was his mentor. And you can spin Wright's rantings any way you'd like. There are a lot of us who can see his blatant racism regardless of how you spin context.
First off, I'd like to clarify that I'm not trying to "spin" anything, so if it comes out that way, I apologize. I'm stating what I genuinely believe, and maybe that's naive or misinformed, but I'm only going on what I heard in this video, and what I've heard from other sources.
I understand that Wright is his mentor, but Obama clearly says in the video, that he's his "spiritual mentor" and to me, that signals that he is not necessarily his moral mentor, and does not agree with everything he says. Personally, I have people who I'd consider spiritual mentors, who I would definitely say do not necessarily influence my moral feelings. If he helped him on a spiritual journey that doesn't signify to me that Obama takes everything he says to heart. The human being isn't black and white. I think that a spiritual mentor can be completely cut off from what he believes politically and morally. But perhaps I do give Obama too much credit. This is just my take.
Also, while I think that Wright may be a racist, and I do, I think much of what he says is taken wrongly and out of context. My understanding of him saying "God damn America" is not "I hate America and it should be condemned to hell along with everyone in it that is not black". I understand him as saying the atrocities committed against blacks by America should not be overlooked, and not be forgiven until totally rectified. He might not be saying it in the most direct way, but he's there to inspire, and he's there to try and stimulate people to make them feel emotional. Again, its entirely possible that I am misunderstanding him, or am naive. But I think people's problems with Obama due to his pastor, are blown totally out of proportion.
Obama didn't put up the flag and did ask for it to be taken down. So that is irrelevant. But you said something interesting here. What is the principle of change you talk about? That makes no sense to me. Hitler, Mao, Che, Jesus, Ghandi, and Thomas Jefferson all promoted change, but I'm pretty sure they weren't quite so vague about it. To praise Che simply because he was an agent of change is as dumb as putting a Che flag up in the office of a presidential candidate.
You're right. I definitely agree with you on this, and I generally don't support Che, or Che shirts, etc. myself. I was trying to think of reasons it could be there, and you're right, my reason wasn't that good. But, like I said he didn't put it up, and like you mentioned he asked for it to be taken down. So that point is moot.
But, I disagree that he is vague on change. I think if you listen to his speeches, or read his books, speeches and papers; if you look at his website and what he supports I think he is very clear on what he wants changed.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
More stuff from the guy that didn't know what time zones were. Obama doesn't have three Muslim names, he has three Arabic names. Not the same thing. Also, heres a scathing article the OP should look at: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-You're-and-Your
I disagree at the part where he the author thinks having discussion with other so called "terrorist" leaders is a bad thing.
The rest of what the guy said all 100% happened. Some of it is superficial, some not so superficial.
His spiritual mentor is a religious extremist. This is an undeniable fact.
Obama isn't the devil incarnate, but he is far from angelic also.
I like to see the points addressed as well...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Is it really sad, or is it REALLY SAD?
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How so oh elnlightened one. Save us 13 minutes and stick up for your video yourself. We know our candidate enough to debate you on it.
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February 12, 2008
"This is a volunteer office that is not in any way controlled by the Obama campaign. We were disappointed to see this picture because it is both offensive to many Cuban-Americans -- and Americans of all backgrounds -- and because it does not reflect Senator Obama’s views. Barack Obama has been very clear in putting forward a Cuba policy that is based on one principle: freedom for the Cuban people." -- Obama Campaign
From Houston Fox News:
"The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign."
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Excuse me, but its irrelevant that his name is Barack Hussein Obama.
Its irrelevant that he doesn't wear a pin.
Its irrelevant that he didn't put his hand on his heart. I
ts irrelevant that his wife said she wasn't proud of America for two reasons. First, we're voting for him, not her. Second, look at the context, and look at her whole statement. She was saying that she felt hopeful, and its fair for her to say that in her adult life she didn't feel hope in America. A lot of bad shit has happened. Don't take it too literally.
Its irrelevant what his pastor said for several reasons. First, he is not his pastor. Second, what ever happened to a separation between church and state? I don't care what his pastor said as long as Obama stands for issues relevant to presidency (i.e. not religion), as President that I agree with. Also, you need to look at his pastor's words in context, and again, not take them to literally. The guy is just saying, that blacks in America have gotten a bum rap (which is pretty much true) and that America needs to be called out on it.
The connection between Obama and terrorists is just plain ludicrous.
So there's a Che Guevara flag in one campaign office, and? Did he put it up? Did you find out why it was up there? Maybe he agrees with some principles that Che had, like change, but not all. Find out first
I loved how they had a black kid with a Swastika on the screen for thirty seconds. I wonder what they were insinuating with that... You know, cause it was so relevant...
So please tell me what was relevant and what about it was so bad about Obama that you learned from this video.
You don't have a point, and there's nothing in this thread that even remotely comes close to being something you have said that we should, for some reason, respond to. This is just another one of these useless threads that pops up on message boards where someone links to a video/website, thinks they are being clever, and then gets all up in arms when people call them out on it.
Enlighten us. What are you "talking about" that all of us should wise up to? What brilliant insight am I missing in a link to a video clip that is full of B.S. deceit and half truths?
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Thanks. But maybe too well. Now there's no debate...
Barack on the other hand, I will vote for.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
p.d.: very well said yosi, your post put a lot of sense and intelligence over this.
Haha. So simple, and so succinct. Thank you for saying what I might not have been clear enough in saying.
Here is post #6:
Insults, taunts and condescension indicate something else going on that is definitely not reason or reasonable.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Not to toot my own horn, but "toot, toot".
first of all .... at least obama was born in the united states unlike that old guy
secondly ...being that his father was born a muslim ... obama being a christian is pretty much calling mo a lying sack of shit.....not going to win you any favors in the muslim world
thirdly....wait ... that,s all i got
wait ....... " a BLACK GUY ?????? what's next ??? a mexican?? a cripple???? "
white people got it so easy.......you can be stupid and still rule the world
are three big words to describe The Moving Train
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Come on, those aren't such big words.
I'm about to go out for a few hours. I'll be back.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I'll be here all day... writing stupid papers, for stupid college...
You're correct...I should have chosen "fancy"
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I mostly agree with the above, although you are voting for the 1st lady when you vote for the President, and the 1st lady can give you an indication about how they think and feel and the issues that matter to them. If the 1st lady is irrelevant, why do they trot her out during campaigns?
I completely disagree with you here. Wright was Obama's pastor for 20 years. Obama was given his moral and spiritual path by Wright. They had a close personal relationship. Wright performed his marriage. Wright baptized Obama's kids. This wasn't some occasional trip to church. Wright was his mentor. And you can spin Wright's rantings any way you'd like. There are a lot of us who can see his blatant racism regardless of how you spin context.
I do agree that the connection between obama and terrorists is silly.
Obama didn't put up the flag and did ask for it to be taken down. So that is irrelevant. But you said something interesting here. What is the principle of change you talk about? That makes no sense to me. Hitler, Mao, Che, Jesus, Ghandi, and Thomas Jefferson all promoted change, but I'm pretty sure they weren't quite so vague about it. To praise Che simply because he was an agent of change is as dumb as putting a Che flag up in the office of a presidential candidate.
I agree. That was stupid.
First off fair points all clear and well stated. I also appreciate the like of personal attacks. Its kind of rare on AMT.
I don't think they should trot them out. They do it probably to help gain the support of some of the public. Its seems clear that this is important to some people, although I don't think it should be, and its not to me.
First off, I'd like to clarify that I'm not trying to "spin" anything, so if it comes out that way, I apologize. I'm stating what I genuinely believe, and maybe that's naive or misinformed, but I'm only going on what I heard in this video, and what I've heard from other sources.
I understand that Wright is his mentor, but Obama clearly says in the video, that he's his "spiritual mentor" and to me, that signals that he is not necessarily his moral mentor, and does not agree with everything he says. Personally, I have people who I'd consider spiritual mentors, who I would definitely say do not necessarily influence my moral feelings. If he helped him on a spiritual journey that doesn't signify to me that Obama takes everything he says to heart. The human being isn't black and white. I think that a spiritual mentor can be completely cut off from what he believes politically and morally. But perhaps I do give Obama too much credit. This is just my take.
Also, while I think that Wright may be a racist, and I do, I think much of what he says is taken wrongly and out of context. My understanding of him saying "God damn America" is not "I hate America and it should be condemned to hell along with everyone in it that is not black". I understand him as saying the atrocities committed against blacks by America should not be overlooked, and not be forgiven until totally rectified. He might not be saying it in the most direct way, but he's there to inspire, and he's there to try and stimulate people to make them feel emotional. Again, its entirely possible that I am misunderstanding him, or am naive. But I think people's problems with Obama due to his pastor, are blown totally out of proportion.
You're right. I definitely agree with you on this, and I generally don't support Che, or Che shirts, etc. myself. I was trying to think of reasons it could be there, and you're right, my reason wasn't that good. But, like I said he didn't put it up, and like you mentioned he asked for it to be taken down. So that point is moot.
But, I disagree that he is vague on change. I think if you listen to his speeches, or read his books, speeches and papers; if you look at his website and what he supports I think he is very clear on what he wants changed.
Hit job.
Retarded.
This kind of thought (flag pins, hand over heart, and unchristian names) is everything that is wrong with the not so United States of America.
The rest of what the guy said all 100% happened. Some of it is superficial, some not so superficial.
His spiritual mentor is a religious extremist. This is an undeniable fact.
Obama isn't the devil incarnate, but he is far from angelic also.
I like to see the points addressed as well...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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1) I will wake up on Tuesday, November 4th, 2008
2) Shower and get ready for work.
3) Leave about five minutes early so I can hit up my local polling place
4) State my name and address
5) Sign the poll book
6) Accept the ballot from the elderly woman behind the fold up table
7) Head over to the actual booth
8) Pick up marker
9) Fill in the oval next to "Barack Obama" (President) all the way so my vote counts.
10) Continue voting for Dick Durbin, Phil Hare, Deanna Demuzio, Gary Hannig, and other local officials...
11) Be sure to check the back of the ballot and vote for anything on there
12) Put ballot in little sleeve to conceal my vote
13) Take it to the voting machine
14) Insert the ballot as directed
15) Hand the election judge my confidential sleeve
16) Accept the "I Voted Today" sticker from the election judge
17) Put sticker on my shirt
18) Walk out the door
So, to answer the question. THAT is how I could vote for Obama.
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FDR..........
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me