in a country where public breast feeding is still quite often looked upon as a taboo...and giving birth vaginally is more commonly referred to as 'natural'...are you shocked?
in a country where public breast feeding is still quite often looked upon as a taboo...and giving birth vaginally is more commonly referred to as 'natural'...are you shocked?
There's a thought. I listened to the vagina monologues on cd once, and it was incredibly thought provoking. I wanted to contact my closest women friends (twin, and our best friend) but I was in Seattle, they were in Maryland, and it was already late late my time. Hopefully, one day we will talk about it.
That's a real shame that girls were slammed down because they said "vagina."
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And nice work to you, Jeanie. There are many people on this board that come off as completely oblivious to the degrading nature of using the terms for women's genetalia as an insult--using them in a derogatory way. These people seem unaware as to what that derogatory view of women's gentitals says about themselves. More power to awareness!
People who can't take a vagina joke are pussies.
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I don't know, Ahnimus........there's something about a guy inviting me to talk about my vagina and then winking........it's a little............creepy. *cringes*
But hey! Maybe if you offer the invite enough times, the ladies will jump in, regaling you with tales about their vaginas!
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Nah, I'm serious about it not being taboo. It's such a fundamental function of human beings. Children should know without having to learn from their friends. It shouldn't be such a shocking epiphany for them. It's not taboo in other cultures and rape rates are lower, people are more mature with their sexual decision making. And yea, no words should ever be taboo, words are so frail anyway, they can be cracked.
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Nah, I'm serious about it not being taboo. It's such a fundamental function of human beings. Children should know without having to learn from their friends. It shouldn't be such a shocking epiphany for them. It's not taboo in other cultures and rape rates are lower, people are more mature with their sexual decision making. And yea, no words should ever be taboo, words are so frail anyway, they can be cracked.
I completely agree. We basically start our kids off by promoting unhealthy shame directed to select parts of their bodies. No wonder such parts can cause so much trouble later in life.
And are you winking at me in the vagina thread, of all places?
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in a country where public breast feeding is still quite often looked upon as a taboo...and giving birth vaginally is more commonly referred to as 'natural'...are you shocked?
I think that the term "natural childbirth" actually refers to a woman giving birth without the use of pain medicaitons. Which does, in turn, make it a vaginal birth, but not exactly what the term "natural" is referring to in this case.
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I think that the term "natural childbirth" actually refers to a woman giving birth without the use of pain medicaitons. Which does, in turn, make it a vaginal birth, but not exactly what the term "natural" is referring to in this case.
That's how I define the term too, but I've met people who think that a birth where the mother is confined to bed flat on her back with an epidural and a monitor attached to her baby's head is "natural" as long as the baby comes out of the vagina.
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Most ass backwards fucked up thing a school has done in awhile. And I'm including that meth dealing, naked in his office watching porn principal. At least he has an excuse.. he was on Meth.
drifting drifting left..... further and further or are we turning right harder and harder.... we are going so many different ways on so many things it makes me sick.... i have a penis i put it in vaginas is that bad.... it all makes me so mad...
I think that the term "natural childbirth" actually refers to a woman giving birth without the use of pain medicaitons. Which does, in turn, make it a vaginal birth, but not exactly what the term "natural" is referring to in this case.
that was my point. this country is so uptight, they insist mothers cover feeding babies heads to avoid seeing breast...and say natural rather than vaginally.
my teenage daughter's friend had to ask me about tampons because her mom explained them as... "you put them in your hoo ha..it has pictures on the box, you can figure it out". that's just unreal to me. it is also perpetuating the feeling of embarrassment and shame that got the 3 girls suspended.
that was my point. this country is so uptight, they insist mothers cover feeding babies heads to avoid seeing breast...and say natural rather than vaginally.
my teenage daughter's friend had to ask me about tampons because her mom explained them as... "you put them in your hoo ha..it has pictures on the box, you can figure it out". that's just unreal to me. it is also perpetuating the feeling of embarrassment and shame that got the 3 girls suspended.
how is it that the word penis is so much more accepted, rhetorical question, i know why, it's cause we live in a patriarchy and men can't deal with 'women's issues', funny how men squirm at the mere inuendo of periods (i only bring this up 'cause mine hit the other day on the morning of a ski trip, where i was picked up at 7 am, and i was in so much pain i curled into a little ball in the car and couldn't hold a conversation, i needed to complain about it, so i did, to the other girl, the guy however covered his ears and sang, although this was supposed to be somewhat funny, i think the humour was to cover his embarassment. on that note why do pad/tampon companies continue to try to force products on us that will keep us clean, like the new whipe attatched to the always pads, as though we are somehow filthy unclean untouchable freaks)
remember when you were around 12 and there was that stupid game played at camp/the cafeteria where someone said 'penis' and then each person had to say it louder, until the last person has screaming? (or maybe that was just my summer camp), yeah, it was great, got us over the giggle-fits, but why wasn't a 'vagina' game ever played where we yelled vagina at the tops of our lungs? why is 'vagina' so much more taboo than 'penis'?
anyway, i know i'm off topic, but the suspension of these grils for saying 'vagina' is so completly medieval that i don't even know where to start.
on the breast feeding bit, that's also assbackwards, do the ppl who are trying to ban public breast-feeding not realize that they were (probably) breastfed too? i remember the first time that i saw a woman breastfeeding without covering up. it was in a small village in laos where there were no cars, a bunch of us hikers were sitting on the floor of her hut having lunch and she came over to sit with us and unwrapped her top and stuck the baby on and continued talking in complete comfort. i realised how important this was (not just the whole idea of lack of shame, etc), because i didn't know how to breastfeed, i thought you just plopped the kid on, but she kept switching breasts, and doing a variety of other things to make herself and the kid more comfortable. the whole idea of learning from your community about things like that became very apparent to me (instead of learning in a restricted school environment, this was something that the girls would learn about more naturally). on that note, i will probably not sit on a bus without covering up somehow, why? same reason i won't go topless at a beach, b/c some idiot will sexualize the whole thing and stare at the boob, and not think of it as a natural part of life
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I didn't read the whole thread, sorry if this has been mentioned...
They were suspended because they agreed (well in advance) NOT to say the word Vagina and they did it anyway... they didn't stay true to their word. (any kid should be punished for that.)
Their suspension was one day and in-school.
With that being said, they shouldn't have encountered any trouble from the school in the first place... the whole situation is dumb.
Who cares if you use a vagina euphamism as a derogatory term? We use all kinds of words as derogatory terms. Is it less offensive to call someone an arsehole? We all have arseholes.
It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!
Who cares if you use a vagina euphamism as a derogatory term? We use all kinds of words as derogatory terms. Is it less offensive to call someone an arsehole? We all have arseholes.
Yup. But if there is no desire to exert power in a patriarchial way, then why not use cock or penis? How come the worst thing you could ever call some one is C***?
Yup. But if there is no desire to exert power in a patriarchial way, then why not use cock or penis? How come the worst thing you could ever call some one is C***?
I don't know why. Its a cultural taboo for some reason. But I've been known to use the word cunt (there, I said it) plenty of times, usually when politely chastising one of my mates who's just taken the last beer out of the fridge or something, or when referring to the broken, poorly designed or malfunctioning pieces of equipment or gadgetry that I deal with on a regular basis. I'd be just as likely to call it a 'bastard prick of a thing!' or a 'farkin piece of shit!'. That doesn't mean that I actually think that's what it is. They're just words, and when you use them in that kind of context they're completely detached from their literal meaning, and they're good for venting frustration without getting physically violent.
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I don't know why. Its a cultural taboo for some reason. But I've been known to use the word cunt (there, I said it) plenty of times, usually when politely chastising one of my mates who's just taken the last beer out of the fridge or something, or when referring to the broken, poorly designed or malfunctioning pieces of equipment or gadgetry that I deal with on a regular basis. I'd be just as likely to call it a 'bastard prick of a thing!' or a 'farkin piece of shit!'. That doesn't mean that I actually think that's what it is. They're just words, and when you use them in that kind of context they're completely detached from their literal meaning, and they're good for venting frustration without getting physically violent.
Yep, I see what you are saying scott and I use it myself, in a derogatory fashion too, BUT I still think it's like the word N*g*er when referring to particular people and when used by particular people. Yes, they are just words but they also have a lot of power. And I doubt very much that you would be one of those people, but sometimes, a word from the wrong mouth can be a powerful tool for hate. SO anyway, not that I want to get into a whole rampant feminist thing, my point is by all means people use the word, but if you maybe think about it as potentially offensive, and not because it's female genitalia, but because people are using one of the names for female genitalia as the most offensive swear word. THAT's where it's offensive. I hope that made some sense.
I don't know why. Its a cultural taboo for some reason. But I've been known to use the word cunt (there, I said it) plenty of times, usually when politely chastising one of my mates who's just taken the last beer out of the fridge or something, or when referring to the broken, poorly designed or malfunctioning pieces of equipment or gadgetry that I deal with on a regular basis. I'd be just as likely to call it a 'bastard prick of a thing!' or a 'farkin piece of shit!'. That doesn't mean that I actually think that's what it is. They're just words, and when you use them in that kind of context they're completely detached from their literal meaning, and they're good for venting frustration without getting physically violent.
good post Scott... i actually call people fannies (the uk term not the US term) and cunts as well... but i'm not literally thinking of them as walking vaginas... but in the same breath i'm more likely to call someone a prick or a cockface... i suppose cunt is the ultimate swear word as it creates so much shock and thats a societal thing, just as paedophelia is shocking today it was part of life in roman times *i'm talking 12-15 year olds here* and that again is something we as a society have created... i personally blame the bible
i dont understand why the ladies on here are thinking calling someone a pussy is degoratory to their genitalia... i call people cocks, dicks, pricks, etc and its never entered my head that i was being degoratory to my penis... he knows i would never do that
but i bet the ladies on this forum have called guys 'dicks' before?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Yep, I see what you are saying scott and I use it myself, in a derogatory fashion too, BUT I still think it's like the word N*g*er when referring to particular people and when used by particular people. Yes, they are just words but they also have a lot of power. And I doubt very much that you would be one of those people, but sometimes, a word from the wrong mouth can be a powerful tool for hate. SO anyway, not that I want to get into a whole rampant feminist thing, my point is by all means people use the word, but if you maybe think about it as potentially offensive, and not because it's female genitalia, but because people are using one of the names for female genitalia as the most offensive swear word. THAT's where it's offensive. I hope that made some sense.
Maybe this is one of those multiple use things where when you call someone a cunt, you are not referring to female privates at all, ie words often have more than one meaning , and the two meanings are in no way related.
It's an old word too, DH Lawrence used it a lot in one book, name escapes me now, teh one they tried to ban over it, but failed because was deemed to be art, not porn.
Also, the vagina has always been a source of mystery and power, lots and lots of power and mystery, so maybe the some of the power of this word derives from that. It gets a lot of power from the two hard consonants beginning and ending too, just falls on the ear like a hammer, which is probably more important than any genital reference.
Hilariously, while we are discussing this here, I got banned from the Metallica forum by the computer for using it. As if inserting a couple a punctuation marks to disguise it would have changed anything. And this from teh guys who brought us "So What" !!
Yep, I see what you are saying scott and I use it myself, in a derogatory fashion too, BUT I still think it's like the word N*g*er when referring to particular people and when used by particular people. Yes, they are just words but they also have a lot of power. And I doubt very much that you would be one of those people, but sometimes, a word from the wrong mouth can be a powerful tool for hate. SO anyway, not that I want to get into a whole rampant feminist thing, my point is by all means people use the word, but if you maybe think about it as potentially offensive, and not because it's female genitalia, but because people are using one of the names for female genitalia as the most offensive swear word. THAT's where it's offensive. I hope that made some sense.
It's the one word I reserve for people I REALLY REALLY DESPISE and I've only ever used it on one person and that was recently. Don't know why I hate it so much but it's still a good one to use when you want to be really venomous and I get satisfaction from it. I've never called someone a dick but I use 'prick' regularly.
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It gets a lot of power from the two hard consonants beginning and ending too, just falls on the ear like a hammer, which is probably more important than any genital reference.
well pointed out!!!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Yeah, and we still clearly live in a culture where a vagina is considered shameful. It shows on many levels.
Lol, try saying 'period' to a guy... when you're not referring to a length of time or a scientific table
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Probably the reason you're not allowed say 'vagina'... in case you embarrass people
In fairness though, it was some kinda school thing right? Maybe it's not entirely wrong that the kids are not allowed discuss stuff of a sexual nature?
There's a fine line between educating kids and having them know everything :eek: Sometimes kids are just best left to being kids.
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yes sex shouldn't be a taboo.
my point was making word vagina to a taboo is ridiculous.
if someone wants to ban a word they should also include the whole sentence too.
That's a real shame that girls were slammed down because they said "vagina."
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hehe...
Vagin-
lololol
Vag-
haha, VAGINA!
Ooh, I'm so bad.
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You know I was joking
Nah, I'm serious about it not being taboo. It's such a fundamental function of human beings. Children should know without having to learn from their friends. It shouldn't be such a shocking epiphany for them. It's not taboo in other cultures and rape rates are lower, people are more mature with their sexual decision making. And yea, no words should ever be taboo, words are so frail anyway, they can be cracked.
And are you winking at me in the vagina thread, of all places?
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I think that the term "natural childbirth" actually refers to a woman giving birth without the use of pain medicaitons. Which does, in turn, make it a vaginal birth, but not exactly what the term "natural" is referring to in this case.
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that was my point. this country is so uptight, they insist mothers cover feeding babies heads to avoid seeing breast...and say natural rather than vaginally.
my teenage daughter's friend had to ask me about tampons because her mom explained them as... "you put them in your hoo ha..it has pictures on the box, you can figure it out". that's just unreal to me. it is also perpetuating the feeling of embarrassment and shame that got the 3 girls suspended.
how is it that the word penis is so much more accepted, rhetorical question, i know why, it's cause we live in a patriarchy and men can't deal with 'women's issues', funny how men squirm at the mere inuendo of periods (i only bring this up 'cause mine hit the other day on the morning of a ski trip, where i was picked up at 7 am, and i was in so much pain i curled into a little ball in the car and couldn't hold a conversation, i needed to complain about it, so i did, to the other girl, the guy however covered his ears and sang, although this was supposed to be somewhat funny, i think the humour was to cover his embarassment. on that note why do pad/tampon companies continue to try to force products on us that will keep us clean, like the new whipe attatched to the always pads, as though we are somehow filthy unclean untouchable freaks)
remember when you were around 12 and there was that stupid game played at camp/the cafeteria where someone said 'penis' and then each person had to say it louder, until the last person has screaming? (or maybe that was just my summer camp), yeah, it was great, got us over the giggle-fits, but why wasn't a 'vagina' game ever played where we yelled vagina at the tops of our lungs? why is 'vagina' so much more taboo than 'penis'?
anyway, i know i'm off topic, but the suspension of these grils for saying 'vagina' is so completly medieval that i don't even know where to start.
on the breast feeding bit, that's also assbackwards, do the ppl who are trying to ban public breast-feeding not realize that they were (probably) breastfed too? i remember the first time that i saw a woman breastfeeding without covering up. it was in a small village in laos where there were no cars, a bunch of us hikers were sitting on the floor of her hut having lunch and she came over to sit with us and unwrapped her top and stuck the baby on and continued talking in complete comfort. i realised how important this was (not just the whole idea of lack of shame, etc), because i didn't know how to breastfeed, i thought you just plopped the kid on, but she kept switching breasts, and doing a variety of other things to make herself and the kid more comfortable. the whole idea of learning from your community about things like that became very apparent to me (instead of learning in a restricted school environment, this was something that the girls would learn about more naturally). on that note, i will probably not sit on a bus without covering up somehow, why? same reason i won't go topless at a beach, b/c some idiot will sexualize the whole thing and stare at the boob, and not think of it as a natural part of life
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Sheeesh, it's not like they said....." Penis".
They were suspended because they agreed (well in advance) NOT to say the word Vagina and they did it anyway... they didn't stay true to their word. (any kid should be punished for that.)
Their suspension was one day and in-school.
With that being said, they shouldn't have encountered any trouble from the school in the first place... the whole situation is dumb.
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Who cares if you use a vagina euphamism as a derogatory term? We use all kinds of words as derogatory terms. Is it less offensive to call someone an arsehole? We all have arseholes.
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Yup. But if there is no desire to exert power in a patriarchial way, then why not use cock or penis? How come the worst thing you could ever call some one is C***?
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I don't know why. Its a cultural taboo for some reason. But I've been known to use the word cunt (there, I said it) plenty of times, usually when politely chastising one of my mates who's just taken the last beer out of the fridge or something, or when referring to the broken, poorly designed or malfunctioning pieces of equipment or gadgetry that I deal with on a regular basis. I'd be just as likely to call it a 'bastard prick of a thing!' or a 'farkin piece of shit!'. That doesn't mean that I actually think that's what it is. They're just words, and when you use them in that kind of context they're completely detached from their literal meaning, and they're good for venting frustration without getting physically violent.
-C Addison
Yep, I see what you are saying scott and I use it myself, in a derogatory fashion too, BUT I still think it's like the word N*g*er when referring to particular people and when used by particular people. Yes, they are just words but they also have a lot of power. And I doubt very much that you would be one of those people, but sometimes, a word from the wrong mouth can be a powerful tool for hate. SO anyway, not that I want to get into a whole rampant feminist thing, my point is by all means people use the word, but if you maybe think about it as potentially offensive, and not because it's female genitalia, but because people are using one of the names for female genitalia as the most offensive swear word. THAT's where it's offensive. I hope that made some sense.
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good post Scott... i actually call people fannies (the uk term not the US term) and cunts as well... but i'm not literally thinking of them as walking vaginas... but in the same breath i'm more likely to call someone a prick or a cockface... i suppose cunt is the ultimate swear word as it creates so much shock and thats a societal thing, just as paedophelia is shocking today it was part of life in roman times *i'm talking 12-15 year olds here* and that again is something we as a society have created... i personally blame the bible
i dont understand why the ladies on here are thinking calling someone a pussy is degoratory to their genitalia... i call people cocks, dicks, pricks, etc and its never entered my head that i was being degoratory to my penis... he knows i would never do that
but i bet the ladies on this forum have called guys 'dicks' before?
Maybe this is one of those multiple use things where when you call someone a cunt, you are not referring to female privates at all, ie words often have more than one meaning , and the two meanings are in no way related.
It's an old word too, DH Lawrence used it a lot in one book, name escapes me now, teh one they tried to ban over it, but failed because was deemed to be art, not porn.
Also, the vagina has always been a source of mystery and power, lots and lots of power and mystery, so maybe the some of the power of this word derives from that. It gets a lot of power from the two hard consonants beginning and ending too, just falls on the ear like a hammer, which is probably more important than any genital reference.
Hilariously, while we are discussing this here, I got banned from the Metallica forum by the computer for using it. As if inserting a couple a punctuation marks to disguise it would have changed anything. And this from teh guys who brought us "So What" !!
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well pointed out!!!
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Chicago 07? And love
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In fairness though, it was some kinda school thing right? Maybe it's not entirely wrong that the kids are not allowed discuss stuff of a sexual nature?
There's a fine line between educating kids and having them know everything :eek: Sometimes kids are just best left to being kids.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you