Reparations (monetary compensation to slave ancestors)

onelongsong

truroute wrote:

Read what I wrote again. In regaurd to this thread and about reparations. Decendents of European slaves arent inquiring about reparations today.

of course not. they; as my enslaved family and other enslaved people; used the knowledge they obtained and put it to use.
for example; those forced to work hitlers farms to feed the soldiers became successful farmers. those forced to work in factories became machinists and some now own their own factories.

no one told me that threads had to follow a script strictly so the author looks right. i'm sorry that i didn't follow YOUR rules. it just seemed that starting another thread about the same subject would be redundant.

cornnifer

onelongsong wrote:

. white slavery still exists. just talk to young girls forced to be hookers.

What a joke. I'm done with this thread before I get banned.

truroute

cornnifer wrote:

What a joke. I'm done with this thread before I get banned.

That like the 10th time you said your done here because someone says something you dont agree w/.

truroute

onelongsong wrote:

of course not. they; as my enslaved family and other enslaved people; used the knowledge they obtained and put it to use.
for example; those forced to work hitlers farms to feed the soldiers became successful farmers. those forced to work in factories became machinists and some now own their own factories.

no one told me that threads had to follow a script strictly so the author looks right. i'm sorry that i didn't follow YOUR rules. it just seemed that starting another thread about the same subject would be redundant.

Dude, you came into this thread when we're talking about american black slavery. WTF you think I'm going to say? Go hijack another thread.

Milhouse VanHouten

truroute wrote:

Again, black people were not the only ones shat upon during the infancy of this country.

Its just that Jews, Chinese, Irish, Indian, and whoever the fuck else didn't have a movie named ROOTS that let everyone know about it (great movie by the way), and they also do not have "civil rights leaders" rubbing the past in the face of everyone nowa days. And people like yourself do not help anything on either side of the issue by offering up special treatment to the 1 group of people that constantly moan and groan. (group of people not meaning the entire black race, so pls dont take that route)

I don't recall ever "offering up special treatment". Find the post where I specifically endorsed reparations. I was only trying to make the point that the effects of slavery didn't end the day that slavery ended, in society or in the government.

onelongsong

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

I'm not "pissing and moaning" about my life. I have a job. I have no family members that I know of who were slaves.

For someone who came into this thread asking others not to jump on him, you seem awful touchy. "bo hoo", as you might say.

i'm only putting the conversation into perspective. everyone wants equality when they speak but don't put it into practice. why is a black slave entitled and not american chinese slaves? or any other people enslaved? i can't seem to find the entitlement here. should a black doctor making over $100K/yr be "reimbursed" and a chinese man making under $15K/yr not? i'm only trying to find where equality for all comes in.

onelongsong

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

I don't recall ever "offering up special treatment". Find the post where I specifically endorsed reparations. I was only trying to make the point that the effects of slavery didn't end the day that slavery ended, in society or in the government.

do we pay reparations to this generation; then again to the next; and the next? paying this generation and not the next is not fair. what entitles mr X to recieve reparations and not his son or grandson?

Milhouse VanHouten

onelongsong wrote:

i'm only putting the conversation into perspective. everyone wants equality when they speak but don't put it into practice. why is a black slave entitled and not american chinese slaves? or any other people enslaved? i can't seem to find the entitlement here. should a black doctor making over $100K/yr be "reimbursed" and a chinese man making under $15K/yr not? i'm only trying to find where equality for all comes in.

Where did anyone say that descendants of black slaves are the only group of people who deserve to be part of this discussion?

Milhouse VanHouten

onelongsong wrote:

do we pay reparations to this generation; then again to the next; and the next? paying this generation and not the next is not fair. what entitles mr X to recieve reparations and not his son or grandson?

Check Kenny Olav's post. It contains an article that might help you out. Last two paragraphs.

onelongsong

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

Where did anyone say that descendants of black slaves are the only group of people who deserve to be part of this discussion?

so everyone should get a check then. there's the equality i was looking for.
peace out

truroute

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

I don't recall ever "offering up special treatment". Find the post where I specifically endorsed reparations. I was only trying to make the point that the effects of slavery didn't end the day that slavery ended, in society or in the government.

In that sense I agree w/ you.

Spartanacus

onelongsong wrote:

if the mother is jewish the children are jewish. your brothers children are jewish; not half jewish.

That's open for debate...Jewish is a religion, but it's odd, because it transcends more than that. You would think it's an actual nationality with how people bring religion into the equation and proclaim themselves "Jewish" instead of saying my forefathers were from Isreal or Poland, hence I'm an Isrealite/Isreali (sp?) or Polish.

I'm 50% Polish, and officially (in my Mom's eyes at least), I'm a Catholic. Albeit I really consider myself an Agnostic non-practicing Catholic...once again, only to appease my mother.

When somebody asks me what I am I don't say Catholic. Why do Jews? Or do the true Jews who say that really refer to where they're descended from - Isreal...not particulary proclaiming their faith.

Anyways...my uncle is probably not very religious, so yes, the kids may very well grow up "Jewish"...but they still get Christmas gifts too, so they kind of are half Christian, half Jewish (religiously). But taking religion out of the equation they really are Dutch/Swedish/German (my uncle) and Isreali/Polish (not sure where exactly my aunt's family came from).

It's a bit confusing.

comfortably numb

people are arguing that the work the slaves did was uncompensated. putting the issue aside that the slaves were never even given the right to be paid, who pays the money? would it be taxes? probably... that those receiving the money would have to pay also. and what about the people whose ancestors didnt have slaves? that would be the overwhelming majority of the country.. paying reparations for people whose families weren't even enslaved by the families paying the taxes

to single out white people as being the ones who oppressed blacks during the time of slavery is kind of ridiculous. yeah, it's almost safe to say that all slave owners were white. but most people didnt have slaves at all

redsdisease

The English took my Scottish ancestors' land. Does the British government owe me money?

onelongsong

i thought i'd import this from another thread as it seems to fit here.


i thought it was white union soldiers fighting and dying for african american rights during the civil war. and a white president too. and it was IKE'S wife fighting for their civil rights while he was president. during the '60's when we accepted everyone as equal; we (the younger generation) helped blacks obtain that equality.

onelongsong

Spartancus wrote:

That's open for debate...Jewish is a religion, but it's odd, because it transcends more than that. You would think it's an actual nationality with how people bring religion into the equation and proclaim themselves "Jewish" instead of saying my forefathers were from Isreal or Poland, hence I'm an Isrealite/Isreali (sp?) or Polish.

I'm 50% Polish, and officially (in my Mom's eyes at least), I'm a Catholic. Albeit I really consider myself an Agnostic non-practicing Catholic...once again, only to appease my mother.

When somebody asks me what I am I don't say Catholic. Why do Jews? Or do the true Jews who say that really refer to where they're descended from - Isreal...not particulary proclaiming their faith.

Anyways...my uncle is probably not very religious, so yes, the kids may very well grow up "Jewish"...but they still get Christmas gifts too, so they kind of are half Christian, half Jewish (religiously). But taking religion out of the equation they really are Dutch/Swedish/German (my uncle) and Isreali/Polish (not sure where exactly my aunt's family came from).

It's a bit confusing.

under jewish law; if the mother is jewish; the children are jewish. there may be many opinions about that but i'm only quoting jewish law.