Study: Warming is stronger, happening sooner

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well I think you're wrong. chicago is one of the best places to be. we have no natural disasters. (tornadoes near the city are rare, no earthquakes, no hurricanes, no risk of wildfires). seriously how can chicago be the worst place to be? that makes no sense. I'll give you two plces that are much much much worse. Californian and Florida. and those are states not cities.

    if anything, lake michigan is going to recede not flood the city.

    rising sea levels effect more than the oceans. the mississippi river will rise. water levels will rise. in some places like here; they are receeding.
    time will tell my friend. the proof is in the pudding so we'll see what the next 50 years bring.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    jlew24asu wrote:
    ok then post it. you are one who is more then agreeing our fresh water source will soon be gone. so how is this one filling up?

    why? why waste my time? our fresh water sources will be gone and i gave new orleans as the model why. flood water mixed with sewage; oil; gas; chemicals including those herbicices and weed killers people had in they're garages; and everything else that mixed with the water. fema was told to hold back because the water was toxic. coffins were floating out of newly dug graves. so new orleans is the perfect model of what happens when a city floods. i'm the first to say you'll have plenty of water. i'm saying you won't have fresh drinking water. i almost forgot; as the water rises; that toxic stew will drain into the wells it covers; thus destroying the aquafer. after some time; the toxins will leach into the soil getting into the aquifer. as the waters receed; what kind of crops or food do you plan on growing in that toxic soil?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    rising sea levels effect more than the oceans. the mississippi river will rise. water levels will rise. in some places like here; they are receeding.
    time will tell my friend. the proof is in the pudding so we'll see what the next 50 years bring.

    yea I hear ya. but for you to say chicago is the worst place to be is just incorrect. we have no natural disasters period. maybe I'm wrong but lake michigan hasnt been rising, and has no large mountains directly feeding it. I dont see how or why, all of a sudden, its going to start.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    i got the dates mixed up. i'll do that sometimes. as much as i'd like to be; i'm not perfect.
    in 1998; an expedition to greenland found the evidence that the siberian flatts caused global warming to the point where the frozen methane melted and added the additional gasses to raise the earths temperature even more.
    true; this is not accepted by all scientists. global warming isn't even accepted by all scientists; but that's what the evidence shows. there's a good show on the science discovery channel which goes into great depth and i highly reccomend it. it will answer all your questions. i've looked over the evidence and i believe what is before my eyes. the earlier theories don't have sufficient evidence to make a firm conclusion and that's why everyone was left guessing. the layer of methane found in greenland is enough evidence for me.
    ...
    The point I'm getting at... global Warming is not a cyclical event. The Global Warming you speak of was due to an occurance on the planet that affected the atmosphere. You are not suggesting that this event occurs on a regular basis, are you?
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    The point I'm getting at... global Warming is not a cyclical event. The Global Warming you speak of was due to an occurance on the planet that affected the atmosphere. You are not suggesting that this event occurs on a regular basis, are you?

    the earth has always heated and cooled
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    why? why waste my time? our fresh water sources will be gone and i gave new orleans as the model why. flood water mixed with sewage; oil; gas; chemicals including those herbicices and weed killers people had in they're garages; and everything else that mixed with the water. fema was told to hold back because the water was toxic. coffins were floating out of newly dug graves. so new orleans is the perfect model of what happens when a city floods. i'm the first to say you'll have plenty of water. i'm saying you won't have fresh drinking water. i almost forgot; as the water rises; that toxic stew will drain into the wells it covers; thus destroying the aquafer. after some time; the toxins will leach into the soil getting into the aquifer. as the waters receed; what kind of crops or food do you plan on growing in that toxic soil?

    posting links to back up your story isnt a waste of time but do as you will. you come on here and talk a big game, not a bad idea to back up your shit.

    and chicago isnt built below sea level. lake Michigan isnt rising. chicago is one of the safest places to live in the country from natural disasters and floods.

    all of these places are reporting low water

    http://glakesonline.nos.noaa.gov/

    http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/index.shtml

    9087096 Port Inland, MI
    9087088 Menominee, MI
    9087079 Green Bay, WI
    9087072 Sturgeon Bay Canal, WI
    9087068 Kewaunee, WI
    9087057 Milwaukee, WI
    9087031 Holland, MI
    9087023 Ludington, MI
    9076070 S.W. Pier, MI
    9076060 U.S. Slip, MI
    9076032 Little Rapids, MI
    9076028 Lookout Station #4, MI
    9076024 Rock Cut, MI
    9075099 De Tour Village, MI
    9075080 Mackinaw City, MI
    9075065 Alpena, MI
    9075059 Harrisville, MI
    9075014 Harbor Beach, MI

    and they this arent just some "crazy scientist" websites.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea I hear ya. but for you to say chicago is the worst place to be is just incorrect. we have no natural disasters period. maybe I'm wrong but lake michigan hasnt been rising, and has no large mountains directly feeding it. I dont see how or why, all of a sudden, its going to start.

    when i lived there you guys called me a trouter. i'd fish for stealhead in the many streams that fed into lake michigan. when i lived in northbrook; there were always stories about the erosion of the shoreline. i haven't followed your weather so maybe you're getting less rain. maybe they're draining the lake more because of the population explosion. chicago to milwaukee was almost 1 big city last time i visited there. you know what's happening there much more than i do. i'm not saying i'm right and everyone else is wrong. i'm just stating what my model predicted. i hope i'm wrong because my family still lives there. this is just a friendly debate about peoples opinions and why they have those opinions.
    i like just about everyone here and my living in a remote location has made all of you my friends. so roll a number; kick back; and let's talk.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    when i lived there you guys called me a trouter. i'd fish for stealhead in the many streams that fed into lake michigan. when i lived in northbrook; there were always stories about the erosion of the shoreline. i haven't followed your weather so maybe you're getting less rain. maybe they're draining the lake more because of the population explosion. chicago to milwaukee was almost 1 big city last time i visited there. you know what's happening there much more than i do. i'm not saying i'm right and everyone else is wrong. i'm just stating what my model predicted. i hope i'm wrong because my family still lives there. this is just a friendly debate about peoples opinions and why they have those opinions.
    i like just about everyone here and my living in a remote location has made all of you my friends. so roll a number; kick back; and let's talk.

    I like ya OLS, you seem like a nice guy. but you are rather arrogant when it comes to this stuff. and I'm no angel myself. and you certainly know much more about the environment and how to live off it then I ever will. I just took issue with your chicago comment. not becuase I live here, but because chicago is one of the safest places to live.

    I find it crazy that people even live in CA or FL (or most of the east coast)

    we have all been hearing about the "big one" thats going to hit CA someday, or every year the threat of another Hurricane Andrew or Katrina. even the fires happening now are mostly in an areas prone to fires....

    why the hell people live there is beyond me, but chicago has none of those.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    810wmb wrote:
    the earth has always heated and cooled

    the reason for this is because the earth has an eliptical orbit around the sun. when we are closer to the sun; it is warmer; when we are farther from the sun; we are cooler. the problem is that we are getting farther from the sun. remember all those predictions that we're moving into an ice age. it's because of the earths orbit is moving away from the sun. the earth should be 1 degree cooler than it was 100 years ago. but it isn't and that's what all the fuss is about.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I like ya OLS, you seem like a nice guy. but you are rather arrogant when it comes to this stuff. and I'm no angel myself. and you certainly know much more about the environment and how to live off it then I ever will. I just took issue with your chicago comment. not becuase I live here, but because chicago is one of the safest places to live.

    I find it crazy that people even live in CA or FL (or most of the east coast)

    we have all been hearing about the "big one" thats going to hit CA someday, or every year the threat of another Hurricane Andrew or Katrina. even the fires happening now are mostly in an areas prone to fires....

    why the hell people live there is beyond me, but chicago has none of those.

    you're right. when i think i'm right i do get arrogant. i'm sorry about that. maybe it comes from living in a remote area and not having human contact. everyone here likes me but i really don't have that human interaction so i don't have people skills.
    on the other hand you've changed my mind on a few subjects and showed me a different way to look at things. so what comes off as arrogant; is still changed by reasonable debate.
    thanks for putting up with me.

    i feel like i'm getting the flu so i'm going to bed. i'll talk to you tomorrow.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    the reason for this is because the earth has an eliptical orbit around the sun. when we are closer to the sun; it is warmer; when we are farther from the sun; we are cooler. the problem is that we are getting farther from the sun. remember all those predictions that we're moving into an ice age. it's because of the earths orbit is moving away from the sun. the earth should be 1 degree cooler than it was 100 years ago. but it isn't and that's what all the fuss is about.
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    Doesn't the Earth revolve around the Sun once per year? You can't be saying we enter an ice age every year, right?
    Are you saying that the Earth is spinning closer and closer to the Sun? or spinning further and further away?
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Cosmo wrote:
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    Doesn't the Earth revolve around the Sun once per year? You can't be saying we enter an ice age every year, right?
    Are you saying that the Earth is spinning closer and closer to the Sun? or spinning further and further away?

    the earths orbit around the sun takes thousands of years. i'll get you some links tomorrow. i'm not feeling well.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    the earths orbit around the sun takes thousands of years. i'll get you some links tomorrow. i'm not feeling well.
    ...
    No. It takes one year. The Earth goes around the Sun once a year. We get the seasons because of the Earth's tilted axis... when the north pole points towards the Sun.. it's Summer here, Winter in Austrailia. The two Equinoxes occur when the axis pole are equidistant from the Sun.
    We don't need links to prove this.. all we have to do is look at a calendar.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    you're right. when i think i'm right i do get arrogant. i'm sorry about that. maybe it comes from living in a remote area and not having human contact. everyone here likes me but i really don't have that human interaction so i don't have people skills.
    on the other hand you've changed my mind on a few subjects and showed me a different way to look at things. so what comes off as arrogant; is still changed by reasonable debate.
    thanks for putting up with me.

    i feel like i'm getting the flu so i'm going to bed. i'll talk to you tomorrow.

    no problem, being arrogant isnt even really a bad thing. hell, look whos talking. hope you feel better.
  • YoyoyoYoyoyo Posts: 310
    Cosmo wrote:
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    No. It takes one year. The Earth goes around the Sun once a year. We get the seasons because of the Earth's tilted axis... when the north pole points towards the Sun.. it's Summer here, Winter in Austrailia. The two Equinoxes occur when the axis pole are equidistant from the Sun.
    We don't need links to prove this.. all we have to do is look at a calendar.

    I'm thinking age has caught up with him, and it was past due for gramps to take a nap.

    The earth does orbit the sun once a year and it is elliptical, but the tempurature change occurs annually.

    The axis of the earth does change somewhat over long periods of time. Maybe that is what OLS is talking about.
    No need to be void, or save up on life

    You got to spend it all
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Mestophar wrote:
    I'm thinking age has caught up with him, and it was past due for gramps to take a nap.

    The earth does orbit the sun once a year and it is elliptical, but the tempurature change occurs annually.

    The axis of the earth does change somewhat over long periods of time. Maybe that is what OLS is talking about.


    What a charmer you are. It's probably his fault, I know how you like to blame people for everything. But OLS is EXTREMELY SICK! Now if you still get off on having a go at him because you're that kind of human being well good on you.
    How hard is it for you to be pleasant????? Clearly, EXTREMELY difficult!
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. You need to get a life.
    NOPE!!!

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    The currents will shift
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    shooting for the most unpopular post here -

    the bible says at the end of times, you won't be be able to tell winter from summer
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • YoyoyoYoyoyo Posts: 310
    Jeanie wrote:
    What a charmer you are. It's probably his fault, I know how you like to blame people for everything. But OLS is EXTREMELY SICK! Now if you still get off on having a go at him because you're that kind of human being well good on you.
    How hard is it for you to be pleasant????? Clearly, EXTREMELY difficult!
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. You need to get a life.

    I don't think he needs his internet girlfriend to defend him.

    I need to get a life? LOL coming from a person who has 11k posts on an internet forum... now thats rich!

    P.S. Just FYI, I get off on having a go at you.
    No need to be void, or save up on life

    You got to spend it all
  • YoyoyoYoyoyo Posts: 310
    810wmb wrote:
    shooting for the most unpopular post here -

    the bible says at the end of times, you won't be be able to tell winter from summer

    I just owned your post dude. ^^^^
    No need to be void, or save up on life

    You got to spend it all
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Mestophar wrote:
    I don't think he needs his internet girlfriend to defend him.

    I need to get a life? LOL coming from a person who has 11k posts on an internet forum... now thats rich!

    P.S. Just FYI, I get off on having a go at you.


    Well keep it up sunshine. I'm more than happy to take you on. And MORE THAN HAPPY TO COMPLAIN TO ADMIN about your sexist, bigotted, ageist, nasty personal crap!
    NOPE!!!

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  • YoyoyoYoyoyo Posts: 310
    That's all you do in life is complain. I'm starting to understand who/what you are now.

    Nasty? You don't know what nasty is.

    P.S. How dare you call me sunshine! ( I like it )
    No need to be void, or save up on life

    You got to spend it all
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Mestophar wrote:
    That's all you do in life is complain. I'm starting to understand who/what you are now.

    Nasty? You don't know what nasty is.

    P.S. How dare you call me sunshine! ( I like it )

    Whatever. :rolleyes: Clearly you're a waste of precious energy, oxygen and space. I don't see anybody else having a problem so it must be you. Good luck with that. Now I've got WAY MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO.

    You have a nice pathetic life.
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    look at the cost of those wars to the us. oh; but those were white people. it's ok if we bring freedom to white people. that's what you're about.
    what i am about??? wft is your problem???? go back and read my reply to 'decides to dream' again. that's when you decided you would have a go. i said i agreed with what he/she said. For some reason, you decided you would single ME out because i said i felt that the war in iraq was was about OIL. Like hello, i'm not the only one on the planet that thinks that, and it had been mentioned previously in this thread. you didn't jump in then did you. So why single me out?

    don't tell me what i'm about and that i think it's only ok to bring freedom to white people. show me where the fuck i said that. i didn't. you are just making things up as you go along.

    i said i think the war is about oil. you don't agree. so what. build a bridge. and get the fuck over it.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Mestophar wrote:
    I don't think he needs his internet girlfriend to defend him.

    I need to get a life? LOL coming from a person who has 11k posts on an internet forum... now thats rich!

    P.S. Just FYI, I get off on having a go at you.

    well you certainly are a class act huh buddy?
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Jeanie wrote:
    What a charmer you are. It's probably his fault, I know how you like to blame people for everything. But OLS is EXTREMELY SICK! Now if you still get off on having a go at him because you're that kind of human being well good on you.
    How hard is it for you to be pleasant????? Clearly, EXTREMELY difficult!
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. You need to get a life.
    Jeanie, I don't want you to think I'm siding with your opposition here, because I'm certainly NOT doing that .... but I do feel like I have to say something.

    People who don't want to get into an argument, or don't want people taking shots at them, don't go to political message boards. OLS knows what the Train is like, and he still comes here. When I don't feel like getting into it with anyone, or having insults hurled at me or whatever, I don't post here, because every time you post there's a chance that will happen. I don't expect anyone to treat me with kid gloves, and while I certainly can't speak for OLS, I can't imagine that he does either. I get tired of being "the sick one" all the time, I like that I can come here and still be treated the same as always, when I'm up for it :D
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Mestophar wrote:
    I'm thinking age has caught up with him, and it was past due for gramps to take a nap.

    The earth does orbit the sun once a year and it is elliptical, but the tempurature change occurs annually.

    The axis of the earth does change somewhat over long periods of time. Maybe that is what OLS is talking about.
    ...
    Oh... it's called 'Precession'. Like the axis of a spinning top, right? Then, yeah.. that occurs... but it does not change the distance of the Earth from the Sun, right? The seasons will eventually change (to where Summer of us will be in December... but, that's not scheduled to happen for another 12,000 years from now... not 4.
    Activities on the Planet affect the atmosphere... whether it's Earth's sulfur farts in Siberia or pollution spewed into the air for 110 years. That's what we need to consider.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    hippiemom wrote:
    Jeanie, I don't want you to think I'm siding with your opposition here, because I'm certainly NOT doing that .... but I do feel like I have to say something.

    People who don't want to get into an argument, or don't want people taking shots at them, don't go to political message boards. OLS knows what the Train is like, and he still comes here. When I don't feel like getting into it with anyone, or having insults hurled at me or whatever, I don't post here, because every time you post there's a chance that will happen. I don't expect anyone to treat me with kid gloves, and while I certainly can't speak for OLS, I can't imagine that he does either. I get tired of being "the sick one" all the time, I like that I can come here and still be treated the same as always, when I'm up for it : D

    It's cool Mom. :) I get where you're coming from. :) I guess my only response would be, please don't think I'm endlessly defending OLS blindly, because I'm not. Stupidly sometimes, but never always with blinkers on. He does come here to the train because it distracts him from his illness, keeps him awake when he wants to be here to chat just for some human contact but unfortunately that also means that his head isn't always screwed on right or he doesn't express himself well and he does have a go at people. Which I might add I give him shit for. I certainly understand why that pisses people off and I know he knows that too. This whole thing came up yesterday because he had a good day but pushed himself too far and should have done what I said and GONE TO BED when I told him. But as I'm sure you've noticed he's as stubborn as mule sometimes! :D
    Anyway, as far as I'm concerned it's water under the bridge. He uses this for an outlet, right or wrong, and sometimes people take issue with that, right or wrong. AND SOMETIMES, I stupidly try to protect him when I know that things are particularly bad, right or wrong. I don't really see it as siding with the opposition, I don't really see that there is an opposition. More like things get said, it develops into fisty cuffs and then it's over. Hopefully with a little more understanding on both sides but that's not a prerequisite. :D

    Of course I'm quite sure when he gets back, I'll have some splain' to do! :o
    Anyway, it's all good. And completely off topic, which I apologize to the OP for my part in.
    NOPE!!!

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Jeanie wrote:
    Whatever. :rolleyes: Clearly you're a waste of precious energy, oxygen and space. I don't see anybody else having a problem so it must be you. Good luck with that. Now I've got WAY MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO.

    You have a nice pathetic life.
    ...
    "Don't wear you heart out on your sleeve, when your remarks are off the cuff".
    ...
    If you're going to be throwing out unsubstantiated statements that fly in the face of facts... you shouldn't be surprized or get upset when the shit you throw at the fan comes back and hits you in the face. That is what often happens to OLS.
    ...
    Also... "Clearly you're a waste of precious energy, oxygen and space." To me, I don't know... but, that looks like a personal attack... or at least an insult.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    "Don't wear you heart out on your sleeve, when your remarks are off the cuff".
    ...
    If you're going to be throwing out unsubstantiated statements that fly in the face of facts... you shouldn't be surprized or get upset when the shit you throw at the fan comes back and hits you in the face. That is what often happens to OLS.
    ...
    Also... "Clearly you're a waste of precious energy, oxygen and space." To me, I don't know... but, that looks like a personal attack... or at least an insult.

    Cosmo if you have a problem with me, then lets take it pm. Ok? :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Jeanie wrote:
    Cosmo if you have a problem with me, then lets take it pm. Ok? :)
    ...
    No way... I learn from bad experiences... last time that happened... i got 5 for fighting.
    ...
    I'm not the one throwing insults around here. I'm just saying, when you take shots at people, don't go crying to the Mods when they shoot back. Either shoot and take the return fire or hold your fire.
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