Study: Warming is stronger, happening sooner

decides2dream

onelongsong wrote:

the "blame bush for everything" crowd here really takes the bisquit. i laid out the facts including the "cycle" even though i know it will be ignored and lost when the thread moves to another page. i don't know why i bother. bush caused global warming so facts and evidence don't mean a bloody thing around here. talk about pearls before the swine.

huh?
i haven't seen the posts blaming bush for globabl warming? i know it's a part of the article....but it's only a PART. it also seems most seemed focus on the issue - as in, global warming and chose to discuss that....so i kinda miss where you are reading?


i also saw no disagreement with your 'cycle post'...in fact, i think many of us agree more than likely it IS a cycle. how much we contribute and the consequences of such, more debated.


btw - i personally don't blame any one individual, nor do i think anyone here does......and at this point, i really don't give a shite how it all started. i rather focus on the whys of it, nd what, if anything...we can do to combat it, slow it, survive it, etc. it would be nice if every once in a while we as a species could learn from our mistakes.

onelongsong

chromiam wrote:

hmmm millions more people on the earth, exhaling CO2 don't come from earth???

last i checked; people are man. we use man to include women but you said man is exhaling so how isn't that mans' fault? we had trees to inhale mans' CO2 and exhale O2. oh; we cut down those trees. i believe it was man that cut down those trees. wasn't it man who put the SuO2 in the atmosphere causing acid rain which killed countless trees? and man didn't control population growth either.

well; don't worry. everyone already convicted bush of global warming. WAIT; BUSH IS A MAN TOO.

oh what to do?

Cosmo

I am confunsed here... someone needs to point out the part where someone here blames President Bush for Global Warming. The closest thing I can find is Suzanne saying it's a shame that the current administration has spent the past 8 years doing nothing about it... which, i agreee is wrong in the sense that it hasn't actually been a total of 8 years (more like 6 3/4 years) and it wasn't until recently that this administration has even admitted that Global warming is indded, occuring.
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Will the Bush supporters please, point me towards the statement that says Bush is to blame for 'Global Warming'? Thanx.

gue_barium

Cosmo wrote:

I am confunsed here... someone needs to point out the part where someone here blames President Bush for Global Warming. The closest thing I can find is Suzanne saying it's a shame that the current administration has spent the past 8 years doing nothing about it... which, i agreee is wrong in the sense that it hasn't actually been a total of 8 years (more like 6 3/4 years) and it wasn't until recently that this administration has even admitted that Global warming is indded, occuring.
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Will the Bush supporters please, point me towards the statement that says Bush is to blame for 'Global Warming'? Thanx.

It isn't there.

Just some people who dont' know how to read, or feel like stirring some shit.

jlew24asu

Cosmo wrote:

I am confunsed here... someone needs to point out the part where someone here blames President Bush for Global Warming. The closest thing I can find is Suzanne saying it's a shame that the current administration has spent the past 8 years doing nothing about it... which, i agreee is wrong in the sense that it hasn't actually been a total of 8 years (more like 6 3/4 years) and it wasn't until recently that this administration has even admitted that Global warming is indded, occuring.
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Will the Bush supporters please, point me towards the statement that says Bush is to blame for 'Global Warming'? Thanx.

there isnt any need to even bring politics into this discussion. and just because people like myself wont blame bush for this doesnt make me a supporter of his.

Cosmo

jlew24asu wrote:

there isnt any need to even bring politics into this discussion. and just because people like myself wont blame bush for this doesnt make me a supporter of his.

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Then.. I guess I'm still waiting for the Bush supporters (or, to use a phrase that is popular with moronic Cable News talking heads and their audiences... "Bush Apologists") to point out the comment or comments where someone says, 'Bush is responsible for Global Warming'... I'd like to question them on this comment directly, too.

onelongsong

decides2dream wrote:

huh?
i haven't seen the posts blaming bush for globabl warming? i know it's a part of the article....but it's only a PART. it also seems most seemed focus on the issue - as in, global warming and chose to discuss that....so i kinda miss where you are reading?


i also saw no disagreement with your 'cycle post'...in fact, i think many of us agree more than likely it IS a cycle. how much we contribute and the consequences of such, more debated.


btw - i personally don't blame any one individual, nor do i think anyone here does......and at this point, i really don't give a shite how it all started. i rather focus on the whys of it, nd what, if anything...we can do to combat it, slow it, survive it, etc. it would be nice if every once in a while we as a species could learn from our mistakes.

i only replied to a comment in that particular post. i laid out the hows; whys and whats in an earlier post. at this point it's too late. the public isn't being told what's ahead to avoid panic. i come from a family of scientists; 2 work for the government. that doesn't mean i know everything so don't get me wrong. people from california are flocking to northern arizona and going solar. are these the nutters or the smart ones? time will tell. when the shite hits the fan; you won't have the grid. you won't have food in the groceriies. the most important thing you won't have is clean water. 2/3 of the population won't survive. that's the real issue. you can tell me i'm full of shite just as everyone has told those trying to warn you. or; we can talk about who will survive and why.
pick one.

Oh, Jimmy

Tons of worse storms, droughts have happened throughout history. Not to mention, tons of record highs are from the early 20th century. I am not denying global warming, I just think it's gotten way out of hand.

Cosmo

onelongsong wrote:

i only replied to a comment in that particular post. i laid out the hows; whys and whats in an earlier post. at this point it's too late. the public isn't being told what's ahead to avoid panic. i come from a family of scientists; 2 work for the government. that doesn't mean i know everything so don't get me wrong. people from california are flocking to northern arizona and going solar. are these the nutters or the smart ones? time will tell. when the shite hits the fan; you won't have the grid. you won't have food in the groceriies. the most important thing you won't have is clean water. 2/3 of the population won't survive. that's the real issue. you can tell me i'm full of shite just as everyone has told those trying to warn you. or; we can talk about who will survive and why.
pick one.

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Okay... in order to teach the rest of us... can you supply me with the technical data of your compound... not specifics... just area and capacities... ball park figures.. so I will know what I will need to go solar? How many panels... how much output each produces... regulators... condensors... all that stuff.
And how much water do I need to store and where can I store it? How long will it last and how do I reclaim it.

onelongsong

jlew24asu wrote:

you do post great information on this topic and seem to know what your talking about. hopefully we can stop pointing fingers and do what we can to protect the earth and its resources.

i kept it short and simple but there's much more. we're past the point of no return. in the early 2000's; scientists were saying this will happen in the next few centuries. a couple years ago the same scientists were predicting this by year 2100. then the ice masses were explored instead of using sattelite photos and the prediction for total meltdown is 2050. i predicted evacuation of coastal cities at 2011; years ago and it's already started.
we've past the point of no return because the only solution now is to stop using fossil fuels and basically stop manufacturing. you can't do that. i'm self suficcient and i live in an area protected from most of the problems to come.
that's what we should be talking about. i can tell you what's going to happen and i can prove it. but instead; let's point fingers. that's what we're best at.

onelongsong

jlew24asu wrote:

you do post great information on this topic and seem to know what your talking about. hopefully we can stop pointing fingers and do what we can to protect the earth and its resources.

i kept it short and simple but there's much more. we're past the point of no return. in the early 2000's; scientists were saying this will happen in the next few centuries. a couple years ago the same scientists were predicting this by year 2100. then the ice masses were explored instead of using sattelite photos and the prediction for total meltdown is 2050. i predicted evacuation of coastal cities at 2011; years ago and it's already started.
we've past the point of no return because the only solution now is to stop using fossil fuels and basically stop manufacturing. you can't do that. i'm self suficcient and i live in an area protected from most of the problems to come.
that's what we should be talking about. i can tell you what's going to happen and i can prove it. but instead; let's point fingers. that's what we're best at.

Cosmo

onelongsong wrote:

i kept it short and simple but there's much more. we're past the point of no return. in the early 2000's; scientists were saying this will happen in the next few centuries. a couple years ago the same scientists were predicting this by year 2100. then the ice masses were explored instead of using sattelite photos and the prediction for total meltdown is 2050. i predicted evacuation of coastal cities at 2011; years ago and it's already started.
we've past the point of no return because the only solution now is to stop using fossil fuels and basically stop manufacturing. you can't do that. i'm self suficcient and i live in an area protected from most of the problems to come.
that's what we should be talking about. i can tell you what's going to happen and i can prove it. but instead; let's point fingers. that's what we're best at.

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Then, tell us.

gue_barium

Cosmo wrote:

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Then, tell us.

I think he just did. "It's a lost cause."

Hopefully, about 99% of the human population is extinguished.

jlew24asu

onelongsong wrote:

i kept it short and simple but there's much more. we're past the point of no return. in the early 2000's; scientists were saying this will happen in the next few centuries. a couple years ago the same scientists were predicting this by year 2100. then the ice masses were explored instead of using sattelite photos and the prediction for total meltdown is 2050. i predicted evacuation of coastal cities at 2011; years ago and it's already started.
we've past the point of no return because the only solution now is to stop using fossil fuels and basically stop manufacturing. you can't do that. i'm self suficcient and i live in an area protected from most of the problems to come.
that's what we should be talking about. i can tell you what's going to happen and i can prove it. but instead; let's point fingers. that's what we're best at.

I really dont see the world coming to an end in a few years. and where has coastal evacuation started?

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

I really dont see the world coming to an end in a few years. and where has coastal evacuation started?

200,000 evacuted from San Diego county the other day for the fires. How many evacuated from New Orleans never to return?

BTW, those yearly southern california fires have man-made causes through water mis-management.

decides2dream

onelongsong wrote:

i only replied to a comment in that particular post. i laid out the hows; whys and whats in an earlier post. at this point it's too late. the public isn't being told what's ahead to avoid panic. i come from a family of scientists; 2 work for the government. that doesn't mean i know everything so don't get me wrong. people from california are flocking to northern arizona and going solar. are these the nutters or the smart ones? time will tell. when the shite hits the fan; you won't have the grid. you won't have food in the groceriies. the most important thing you won't have is clean water. 2/3 of the population won't survive. that's the real issue. you can tell me i'm full of shite just as everyone has told those trying to warn you. or; we can talk about who will survive and why.
pick one.

and i didn't see anyone pointing fingers or blaming. so thus my confusion there. i also did not se anyone dispute your posts/comments, so i really don't see where you thought you were being dismissed or ignored. i actually am interested in reading/hearing ALL information on the topic, thus why i ask and participate. it just seemed you were shutting down beofre it even bean, so it mde me wonder is all.

btw - if things get that bad, i am more than happy to just let go. i don't need to be one of those tough survivors like in all disaster movies, resarting humanity. personally, i don't think any of it will occur in my lifetime, maybe not even for a few generations. i don't have offspring, so it's not some concrn for my personal genetics, i just care about this place and all living things in general, and it's sad that many things which are preventible, we simply just don't seem to care. not referring necessarily to global warming and/or the outcomes....but sure, i do believe we can do mre to combat the issue.

gue_barium wrote:

I think he just did. "It's a lost cause."

Hopefully, about 99% of the human population is extinguished.

why would you say that? if going to that extreme, why not just wipe us all off the globe?

Cosmo

gue_barium wrote:

I think he just did. "It's a lost cause."

Hopefully, about 99% of the human population is extinguished.

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well... if the remaining 1% are forced to live in the fucking desert, recycling their own urine for drinking water... put me on the list of the ones first to go. i don't care to see mankind reduced to killing each other for food and water and be left, barricaded in my compound, having to shoot everyone that walks up to my door.

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

200,000 evacuted from San Diego county the other day for the fires. How many evacuated from New Orleans never to return?

BTW, those yearly southern california fires have man-made causes through water mis-management.

its actually 500,000 that evacuated and those fires have nothing to do with global warming.

o and New Orleans you say? that city was built BELOW sea level. yup, blame that on global warming too

gue_barium

Cosmo wrote:

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well... if the remaining 1% are forced to live in the fucking desert, recycling their own urine for drinking water... put me on the list of the ones first to go. i don't care to see mankind reduced to killing each other for food and water and be left, barricaded in my compound, having to shoot everyone that walks up to my door.

Okay.

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

its actually 500,000 that evacuated and those fires have nothing to do with global warming.

o and NO you say? that city was built below sea level. yup, blame that on global warming too

Actually the first explorers of the Louisiana territory were ancestors of the Bush family...