so yesterday I pull up next to a hummer

Eliot Rosewater

surferdude wrote:

So you think humans would not find a way to adapt to changes in climate. I'd say it is safe to say that humans would find a way to adapt, it's in out nature to adapt. We've lived in all sorts of climates, from the Australian outback, Sahara Deserts, the Artic Circle to Trpoical Rainforests. I wonder what you've seen in human history to make you think we couldn't and wouldn't adapt.

Some may adapt, sure. But destruction awaits the masses if we wait much longer. It's not doomsday bullshit, it's science and it's fact. Even the supposed smartest man alive, Stephen Hawking, agrees. He recommended a month or so ago that we put much more time, money, and energy into space travel because this planet will soon be uninhabitable. I'm deeply concerned for my daughter and the world she may be living (or dying) in if we don't work together to keep this planet inhabitable.

surferdude

don't gimme no wrote:

Some may adapt, sure. But destruction awaits the masses if we wait much longer. It's not doomsday bullshit, it's science and it's fact. Even the supposed smartest man alive, Stephen Hawking, agrees. He recommended a month or so ago that we put much more time, money, and energy into space travel because this planet will soon be uninhabitable. I'm deeply concerned for my daughter and the world she may be living (or dying) in if we don't work together to keep this planet inhabitable.

"Some may adapt" You are aware that humans have never had a smaller percentage of people living without enough food.
"smartest man alive, Stephen Hawking", please he's been wrong about more things than he's been right about. Tell me does he belive in quantum physics or string theory. Because from what I've read the two cannot co-exist. And the scientific community is pretty split on the issue. So if he is so smart why doesn't the scientific community listen to him.
I could only imagine the howl coming from the science and environmental communities if space exploration budgets were significantly increased inthe name of saving humans.

Eliot Rosewater

surferdude wrote:

"Some may adapt" You are aware that humans have never had a smaller percentage of people living without enough food.
"smartest man alive, Stephen Hawking", please he's been wrong about more things than he's been right about. Tell me does he belive in quantum physics or string theory. Because from what I've read the two cannot co-exist. And the scientific community is pretty split on the issue. So if he is so smart why doesn't the scientific community listen to him.
I could only imagine the howl coming from the science and environmental communities if space exploration budgets were significantly increased inthe name of saving humans.

I'm not at all for space exploration. I think there are fewer things that are bigger wastes of time and money. And I did use the word "supposed" when referring to him as the smartest man alive (which you so conveniently left out of your quote). Either way, my point was that he recognizes the same crisis that the rest of the scientific community recognizes.

sourdough

surferdude, even if I were to accept your assertion that humans can adapt to a changing climate, what about the rest of the world? So what if this means that tens of thousands of species will be wiped out? Should we not care so long as humans are ok? Now what about the ecological roles that these extinct species play in order to maintain our planet? There are many unexpected and unpredicatable consequences.

I don't think anybody will deny that the earth does go through natural variation in climate, and perhaps some of this is natural, but I think it would be naive to say that we have little to do with it considering the fact we emit billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere per year given the fact that we know the role of CO2 in climate patterns.

Although there is debate over what exactly a world will look like 2, 5, 10 degrees warmer, there is virtually zero debate that it is getting warmer and CO2 levels are getting higher and is positively correlated to the amount of CO2 we're emitting.

moeaholic

BackwardsBlues1 wrote:

henry rollins simply refers to hummers and the people who drive them as "dickheads."

so he thinks he's a dickhead himself? i remember seeing him drive one in 'jackass the movie' while steve-o was getting a tattoo in the back.

surferdude

sourdough wrote:

surferdude, even if I were to accept your assertion that humans can adapt to a changing climate, what about the rest of the world? So what if this means that tens of thousands of species will be wiped out? Should we not care so long as humans are ok? Now what about the ecological roles that these extinct species play in order to maintain our planet? There are many unexpected and unpredicatable consequences.

I don't think anybody will deny that the earth does go through natural variation in climate, and perhaps some of this is natural, but I think it would be naive to say that we have little to do with it considering the fact we emit billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere per year given the fact that we know the role of CO2 in climate patterns.

Although there is debate over what exactly a world will look like 2, 5, 10 degrees warmer, there is virtually zero debate that it is getting warmer and CO2 levels are getting higher and is positively correlated to the amount of CO2 we're emitting.

Did the earth end when dinosaurs disappeared? Every step of the way I've said we need to take action and lessen our impact on the environment and decrease greenhouse gas emissions. I also have an issue with science when it lies. Because it's not science any more at that point. The bullshit being slung around regarding climate change is unbelievable, and the worst part is that 90% or so of the bullshit is coming from the science and environmental factions.
Some serious question for you. What is our role in nature? Are we here to protect the existance of other species? If so, that would make us unique amongst all life forms on earth, and is what you've hinted at. Are we currently acting in any way that is unnatural for us? Can humans act unnaturally?
From what I've seen in nature every species domiates to the extent it can without a care for consequences. This is the natural order of the world from what I have learned. Humans are the only species who try to act outside this model by caring about the short and long term consequences. Is this normal in nature?

JPinks

mikeg19_82 wrote:

Man do you remember that episode of "Most Extreme Police Videos" where the Compaq Presario dove into that raging river to save a mother and child who fell in?

Check out a hospital sometime.

mwachsman

The world is going to end two days before the day after tomorrow.

We knew how to stop global warming, but we didn't listen......we didn't listen.

JPinks

surferdude wrote:

Did the earth end when dinosaurs disappeared? Every step of the way I've said we need to take action and lessen our impact on the environment and decrease greenhouse gas emissions. I also have an issue with science when it lies. Because it's not science any more at that point. The bullshit being slung around regarding climate change is unbelievable, and the worst part is that 90% or so of the bullshit is coming from the science and environmental factions.
Some serious question for you. What is our role in nature? Are we here to protect the existance of other species? If so, that would make us unique amongst all life forms on earth, and is what you've hinted at. Are we currently acting in any way that is unnatural for us? Can humans act unnaturally?
From what I've seen in nature every species domiates to the extent it can without a care for consequences. This is the natural order of the world from what I have learned. Humans are the only species who try to act outside this model by caring about the short and long term consequences. Is this normal in nature?

We are the first mammals to wear pants...we're not like previous dominant species. We're totally fucked up.

sourdough

surferdude wrote:

Did the earth end when dinosaurs disappeared? Every step of the way I've said we need to take action and lessen our impact on the environment and decrease greenhouse gas emissions. I also have an issue with science when it lies. Because it's not science any more at that point. The bullshit being slung around regarding climate change is unbelievable, and the worst part is that 90% or so of the bullshit is coming from the science and environmental factions.
Some serious question for you. What is our role in nature? Are we here to protect the existance of other species? If so, that would make us unique amongst all life forms on earth, and is what you've hinted at. Are we currently acting in any way that is unnatural for us? Can humans act unnaturally?
From what I've seen in nature every species domiates to the extent it can without a care for consequences. This is the natural order of the world from what I have learned. Humans are the only species who try to act outside this model by caring about the short and long term consequences. Is this normal in nature?

Hey Surferdude, Okay, yes the world did not end when the dino's died, nor will it die when we are gone as well. However, I think it is preferable that when we do leave the earth we have kept some of the pieces in tact for it to rebuild itself. As far as our role in nature goes, you created a good thread in the forum and I responded there.

We are unique from other animals. We are the only species who are aware of ourselves and our environment and the consequences that our action produce. I'm unclear as what you mean by "unnatural". We are part of nature, but we do act in very different way than any other species. More importantly we have the capabilities to change the world in ways that other species can't. For example the beaver is given credit as the animal that can change the environment the most besides humans.

I consider myself an environmentalist, but I think I can also be one of the sharpest critics as well. There are many environmental movements/positions that I believe are misguided or outright naive. Climate change is not one of them.

onelongsong

surferdude wrote:

So you think humans would not find a way to adapt to changes in climate. I'd say it is safe to say that humans would find a way to adapt, it's in out nature to adapt. We've lived in all sorts of climates, from the Australian outback, Sahara Deserts, the Artic Circle to Trpoical Rainforests. I wonder what you've seen in human history to make you think we couldn't and wouldn't adapt.

what part of "mass extinction" don't you understand? a few more degrees of warming and the frozen methane pockets will melt sending tons of methane into the atmosphere. during the permian extinction; that rose the temperature another 5 degrees. londons climate was that of the sahara desert. with the ice caps melting ( and photos to prove it) the earth will lose thousands of acres of land. canada's frozen tundra will quickly melt and the ground stratify making canada a mass quick-sand pit. so where do you intend to live if you can adapt to breathing the new atmosphere? what do you intend to eat?
we were told about global warming and ignored it. now it is too late. yes; TOO LATE to reverse it. we need to start adapting now for a new earth. the polar bears are on their way to extinction and many more species will follow.

hailhailkc

Abortion on demand.
Legalization of drugs.
Re-educate and reform violent offenders.

yet…

That one law abiding citizen and the vehicle of their choice are the targets?

sourdough

onelongsong wrote:

what part of "mass extinction" don't you understand? a few more degrees of warming and the frozen methane pockets will melt sending tons of methane into the atmosphere. during the permian extinction; that rose the temperature another 5 degrees. londons climate was that of the sahara desert. with the ice caps melting ( and photos to prove it) the earth will lose thousands of acres of land. canada's frozen tundra will quickly melt and the ground stratify making canada a mass quick-sand pit. so where do you intend to live if you can adapt to breathing the new atmosphere? what do you intend to eat?
we were told about global warming and ignored it. now it is too late. yes; TOO LATE to reverse it. we need to start adapting now for a new earth. the polar bears are on their way to extinction and many more species will follow.

I'm not sure I would say that it's too late. The earth can rehabilitate itself. Its been said, that it is very resilient, but it takes a lot of time to heal wounds, the only problem is that humans work quickly.

The Permian extinction was a different ball of wax, so I'm not sure that applies in this case and not so sure that the science suggests a climate of the Sahara. London wasn't really "London". The continents were joined and England was geographically oriented very differently.

I'm not necessarily a doomsdayer. I think humans are very resilient as well, but I'm more concerned about the planet as a whole meaning organisms beyond just humans.

onelongsong

don't gimme no wrote:

co2 is directly related to climate change. co2 has been out of control lately and so has the Earth's temperature. Can you dispute that humans are 100% responsible for the skyrocketing co2 emmissions? My opinion is that humans are 100% responsible for the abnormal climate changes we're now experiencing and are about to experience. Obviously there are the normal shifts here and there but recent changes in climate are 100% human related, IMO.

a small correction here. more important than CO2 emmissions is that the earth HAD the ability to convert that CO2 into O2. trees and plants breathe in CO2 and exhale O2. we've killed a lot of those trees and plants in the name of building bigger houses; and other products. we've hybridized our vegetables so you cannot plant the seeds and get a decent vegetable out of it. i've been trying to find non-hybrid seeds and i'm having a hard time of it. the earthquake that caused the tsunami caused the earth to tilt slightly on it's axis. thus explaining the new climate changes; but that too will contribute to global warming. the polar ice cap is now slightly closer to the sun.
what we have now is an accumulation of errors. the ice caps will be melted within 25 years or less. the worlds glasiers are melting at an incredable rate as we speak. this is no longer 100 years from now. it's happening NOW. it already is too late for several species. once man dies off the earth will start to heal. but healing will take thousands of years.

onelongsong

sourdough wrote:

I'm not sure I would say that it's too late. The earth can rehabilitate itself. Its been said, that it is very resilient, but it takes a lot of time to heal wounds, the only problem is that humans work quickly.

The Permian extinction was a different ball of wax, so I'm not sure that applies in this case and not so sure that the science suggests a climate of the Sahara. London wasn't really "London". The continents were joined and England was geographically oriented very differently.

I'm not necessarily a doomsdayer. I think humans are very resilient as well, but I'm more concerned about the planet as a whole meaning organisms beyond just humans.

i come from a family of scientists. i suggest you do some research and look at the evidence.

Rider

binauralsounds wrote:

and let's not forget, if we have the means, we can drive whatever da hell we want. it is nobodys business WHY i have what i have!!

That is pure BS. You being a selfish, over-polluting idiot effects everybody else through the air pollution that you create and the oil wars you cause.

Its just like smoking in a restaurant, you can (someplaces) but that does not make it right.

The air, water and soil are OURS not yours. If you can't do the right thing for yourself, at least consider what kind of place you are creating for your kids.

Farmers, truckers, and people that adopt 7 kids need big cars. Most SUV drivers are compensating for the their small .........

sourdough

If I am incorrect. Please correct me. I have a degree in geography and am married to a biologist who comes from a line of biologists. This does not make me correct at all times nor does having a family of scientists make you infallible.

The Permian extinction occurred during the time of Pangea. One large continent looking much differnt than things are now right? London and the rest of the continents have shifted since. Secondly the cause of the extinctions are unclear. Climate change is one theory due to continent shifting, others include an asteroid which may have caused a major disturbance in oceanic composition re: salinisation etc, and another potential cause was volanic activity in siberia which may be related to climate change but may have increased the global temperature (through release of gasses) or lowered it from atmospheric sediments blown from volcanoes.

hailhailkc

Rider wrote:

That is pure BS. You being a selfish, over-polluting idiot effects everybody else through the air pollution that you create and the oil wars you cause.

Its just like smoking in a restaurant, you can (someplaces) but that does not make it right.

The air, water and soil are OURS not yours. If you can't do the right thing for yourself, at least consider what kind of place you are creating for your kids.

Farmers, truckers, and people that adopt 7 kids need big cars. Most SUV drivers are compensating for the their small .........

He's not causing the wars.

onelongsong

sourdough wrote:

If I am incorrect. Please correct me. I have a degree in geography and am married to a biologist who comes from a line of biologists. This does not make me correct at all times nor does having a family of scientists make you infallible.

The Permian extinction occurred during the time of Pangea. One large continent looking much differnt than things are now right? London and the rest of the continents have shifted since. Secondly the cause of the extinctions are unclear. Climate change is one theory due to continent shifting, others include an asteroid which may have caused a major disturbance in oceanic composition re: salinisation etc, and another potential cause was volanic activity in siberia which may be related to climate change but may have increased the global temperature (through release of gasses) or lowered it from atmospheric sediments blown from volcanoes.

the volcanic activity in siberia warmed the earth 5 degrees which thawed frozen methane; this increased the temperature another 5 degrees causing the extinction. proof was discovered in greenland in 1998.

LikeAnOcean

His answer to his son..


"Son,.. small penises run in our family. One day you too will have an inferiority complex and feel to the need to buy an impratical car in order make up for the size of our dicks. With me in this puppy on the road, I can run over and smutt any joker who thinks he can laugh at the size of my penis... well, atleast we know we could run them off the road. This will Hummer will take the focus off my small penis. Bigger is better. Now lets get some Wendy's, biggy sized!"